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:Heh okay. Seems fixed now, but I will yell, scream and jump up and down, if it happens again. --{{qtt|[[File:gengar orange 22x22.png]]|Beware the sneaky smile!}}&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="What?">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 9 Apr 2014 2:24 PM Pacific
Thanks for making the battle pet ability table templates! It's so much easier now! {{=)}}
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Comments to Fandyllic

Bag pages

Looks like bags are currently not showing correctly in the infoboxes: Merchant's Satchel. Could you poke it with a stick? Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:22, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. I created the bug previously by over-zealous commenting. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Jul 2013 3:34 PM Pacific
Grin Gracias! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 00:05, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't upload

I DIDN'T upload this icon: IconSmall Mekkatorque Assey Westfall (talk) 20:42, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I was just using that as an example. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Jul 2013 1:46 PM Pacific


Hey Fandyllic, I'm just wondering how you do citations on subjects where this isn't really a clear source. For example, how I wrote one of the most called for expansions is the return of the Burning Legion. I've seen this in many places, especially WoW Forums. So how do I cite this? Thanks. Tankingmage (talk) 10:21, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

You can cite forums. Just give a link to a long thread with several mentions. Sources don't always have to be super clear, but claims with no sources are generally bad. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 31 Jul 2013 5:38 AM Pacific

Cataclysm update

Hey Fandyllic, should we remove the Cataclysm/update notice for some articles, for example, the Blasted Lands is pretty complete Cataclysm wise. Tankingmage (talk) 01:48, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Use your judgement. If you think there is some updates needed, just replace it with one of the stub templates. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Aug 2013 7:50 PM Pacific

Guild page notice

Thank you so much for the note. No idea why anyone would mark it for deletion. Weird. —This unsigned comment is by Bardgal (talkcontribs) 11:59, August 7, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Hey - thanks for the heads up, and for the detail of (I need to update once a year.)

I'll do my best to remember that. I am grateful for the nudge, and if I get überblonde again, I'd love another a year from now if I'm still an idiot. :) THANK YOU!!!! - Bardgal (Sereníty.) 11:02, August 11, 2013

Bad Ref

Ok thanks Fandyllic Tankingmage (talk) 15:06, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm I think I did remove that, and I must have control z'd it, or done something like that anyway Tankingmage (talk) 15:10, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Editing rights

Tankingmage brought it up that anons aren't able to edit here. I double checked, and it seems it has been this way for a very long time; it seems counter-intuitive, though, if we're trying to attract new editors. I'd like to lift that if it's all right with you, as we should be able to handle any unwelcome activity between the four of us - plus, I can let VSTF know to keep an eye on things for a bit. Worst case scenario we can always just flip the switch back. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:17, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm okay with it if you and Tankingmage are willing to take the extra burden of handling anons. On the other wikis I've admin'd I can't say allowing anons is a great way to attract new editors. Most anons are users who are not motivated enough to register, so tend not to be good editors. I don't have great confidence in VSTF, but maybe we won't run into the problems they aren't good at helping with.
We should do a trial for like 3 months maybe and if we don't get alot of extra good editors, we can poll the community about turning it off. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Aug 2013 10:06 AM Pacific
That sounds good to me. A short trial run should be sufficient to determine if it does more harm than good. I'll tweak it later today and let TM know. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


Hi Fandyllic, it's been a while :)

I just wanted to check that you have seen the post on Central about Darwin and the introduction of w:c:community:Thread:562302 fluid layout. I wanted to check with you in particular, because it will affect WoWWiki slightly differently from other wikis. In your case, those on lower resolutions may see the content area reduce to a minimum of 700px (from the current static 880px). However those affected should be those who currently see a scrollbar on the current layout - they will be losing width in return for the gain of no side-scrolling issues. Those with higher resolutions will have a wider content area, up to 1270px. People on tablets will have a slightly different layout to maximize the article width.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks -- sannse @Wikia (help forum | blog) 17:48, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I will read about it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Aug 2013 3:46 PM Pacific

Map template

Hello there.

Just wanted to ask if I may copy and use Template:Map on another wiki?

IWantCoffee (talk) 15:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Getting the Map template to work actually requires a series of templates and is pretty complicated. Ask Pecoes for help, as he is the expert. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Sep 2013 7:36 AM Pacific

Anonymous Users

So far the change seems positive, sure there are quite a few trolls, but from my point of view it's better to rollback 5 vandalisms than create a whole new article, like some anons do. The spelling and grammar fix is nice too. I know you said anons are often people who aren't motivated enough to make an account, but I think once people see how simple it is to edit it will encourage them to make a wikia account. The new Visual editor should help too. These are just some thoughts Tankingmage (talk) 00:03, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

The impact of anons hasn't been too bad so far, but the positive contributions haven't been significantly positive either. The jury is still out, but it may tilt more toward the positive over time. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Sep 2013 7:26 PM Pacific


Whenever you've got a moment or two, I'd love to grab your ear on Skype for some advice Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:35, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

XML properties vs XML attributes, and other stuff

So what I did to resolve this was an obvious punt for now, with two 'list pages' (XML attributes and XML properties), but is consistant and fucntional. I re-made XML properties (page and category) to list the complex element properties, and changed 'XML attributes' (page and category) to list the simple single value types, which are always written here in WoW as attribuites, rather than elements. Fun to talk about I know. The pages for now should have clear markings now to disambiguate, and none of the attributes have their own pages, but if did would typicaly link to the base element or type that defines them, for a in-depth definition or context, anyway. Celess (talk) 22:04, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with Gregity acct

Hi Fandyllic,  I (Gregity) logged in yesterday and made a change to an old page - some minor updates.  When I tried to login today, it said my password is invalid and when I had it send me one I never got it.  I checked the spam - still no luck.  I made some more changes to the page today but because I couldn't sign in they were anony.  The page is AddOn_programming_tutorial/Introduction.  Can you give me a hand? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 14:13, September 21, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Your best bet is to use Special:Contact/account-issue to get Wikia to reset your account password. I don't have access to any of the account stuff. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Sep 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
Also try to use the little login at the upper right, the popup shadow box one. Seems to work when the big full page one doesnt. Also if you look there are ton of anonymous edits now, like this started happening last week, and you arn't the only one. :) I think something is seriously wrong. When it burped, I couldnt login then tried the small login box. Celess (talk) 07:48, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Quote of the week

  • Is that soon, soon, or "soon"? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:48 PM PST 17 Dec 2010

Templates and Extensions

Possible to get the newish MediaWiki extension Scribunto? I think this would help greatly in many many ways. Celess (talk) 20:03, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Account recovery

Dude, it's me, Kirochi, I can't seem to recover my account. How do I do this? The normal procedure doesn't seem to work (Also, how may I demonstrate that I'm me?)

Never mind, I'm back! By the way, how's the relationship with WoWpedia? I can't seem to get an accurate idea of it.K ) (talk) 01:30, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
We don't really have a relationship with Wowpedia. I haven't logged in for ages. I do know they aren't identifying content stolen from WoWWiki. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Sep 2013 6:32 PM Pacific

Main Page Revamp

Heya Winky I was wondering what you thought of this main page - the slider and/or the layout. I've been looking at our site for some time and thought we might benefit from an overhaul of the main page. I think the above wiki comes closest to what we might need.

I would be working on it, and it would take a couple of days at least to implement and troubleshoot. I think you're familiar with JoePlay; he'd be assisting, since he knows the creator and has done it before. Maintenance of the slider portion would then fall to me with subsequent expansions - unless you want to poke around to get a feel for it, of course.

Let me know what you think - I'm leaving a message on Macrophager's and Servian's pages, as well as Tankingmage (since he's up-and-coming). Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:37, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just a thought. The font to background contrast on that site is very low in a bad way, if you were implementing the colors and transparency with a background like that, and the black borders amplify the readability issues. Here it's consistant across the span of the page with a light border to match the text.  While we are at it, there is some JS here that absolutely kills long pages that could be addressed. Speed needs to go up to make google happy, and the users. Celess (talk) 19:46, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to see a 0100WoW Icon 16x16 version first. Dragon Age only has two games and they are largely separate, not expansions. I like some of the elements of the Dragon Age main page, but it may not work with WoW. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Oct 2013 1:26 PM Pacific
Don't worry about the color/font schemes, as those would be tweaked to reflect what currently exists here. The slider they've got is my main focus, but if there's other elements that might work well, those are actually very easy to incorporate. Due to how long it takes to set up, implement, and then troubleshoot, I could do a non-functional mock up to give an idea of how things would flow. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:51, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't comment on the slider because I didn't even notice it! Now that I've used it, it is kind of cool, but we would have to to do a much better job of making the controls discoverable. A non-functional mockup would be great. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 10:27 AM Pacific
Winky I'm hoping to get a rough drawn up this week, work load permitting. One thing I know we'll definitely add to our potential version is a "home" button that would take users back to the beginning of the slides. Another thing I have to consider is that the original dev is thinking of rewriting the code, but we could implement those changes down the line. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:46, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
Got a rough going today, which you can find here. Be sure to read through the notes first Winky I set aside a section for discussing everything. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:45, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
Very ambitious. I will comment in the discussion section. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Oct 2013 6:10 AM Pacific

WoWWiki Revamp

Slightly related but I think needed for a while, one step closer to faster portals: vs Is on main portal now, updating the others. There are a few comments in the inner template. Celess (talk) 03:12, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Good to see that someone who actually knows what they're doing is fixing some of the inefficient code I hacked together. I did a little work to make Portal:Main-lite look like current Portal:Main. Is there anything left to do before a switch? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 10:27 AM Pacific
Oops, had marked for delete... Your changes are now on Portal:Main/Dev, and are now integrated with the newer infrastructure. Yes the main page baked now. You can copy your changes over. Celess (talk) 20:14, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
A major reshuffle involving almost all the portal tempaltes has been done. You can see the current state here Portal_talk:World_of_Warcraft. If wasn't clear, the 'lite' news is gone, 'Main/News' is 'Community/News', and 'Main/User News' is 'Main/News', which is what they sort of were anyway, and with a lengthy cleanup of templates that can now go away. Celess (talk) 20:21, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, I swapped two sections of the CSS, near the end. It should be fine. But just wanted to give heads up. Anything looks odd let me know. Most of this ongoing effort is for performance, and to assist maintainability while I'm going though all this already. :) Celess (talk) 18:41, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
There was a css comment issue been fixed that will clear up in next 10 mins. Can ignore. Celess (talk) 18:51, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
FYI for everyone... Should be somewhat of a boost in performance, mostly client side, as digging through CSS and JS now. Please be aware and look a little more critically than normal for anything amiss. I don't think there should be, but please let me know. :) Made it though the first pass more to follow. Celess (talk) 08:08, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing the Community-corner

Respectfully request rights to edit 'MediaWiki:Community-corner' so that can fix the bad table closure issues so that the community portal renders correctly :) Think its been link this for a long time. Celess (talk) 05:16, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Done, and thanks very much for tweaking all this. It is an immense help. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:15, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


Thank Fandyllic!--Spenpiano (talk) 17:08, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

The Black Temple Transcript

Hi Fandyllic, I added the transcript for a few patches, and when I tried to do the Black Temple the video disappeared, I tried to change the video file itself, but that didn't work, it would be good if you could look at it and tell me what was wrong, thanks. Tankingmage (talk) 23:50, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

If you meant the video here: Patch_2.1.0#Patch_trailer
I fixed it. The wikicode had extraneous stuff in it that was preventing it from appearing. The whole Wikia support for videos via the File: mechanism is a little sketchy, but maybe it's not their fault. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 5:41 PM Pacific
Fandyllic, I did 0100WoW Icon 16x16 Patch 1.11.0 (20-Jun-2006):
and the same thing happened, I tried removing the 'thumb/left' bit but it didn't work, could you tell me how to fix it please? Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 16:40, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
The patch trailer shows up for me. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
hmmm, perhaps it was just a preview bug. Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 17:09, October 8, 2013 (UTC)


Ok, thanks Fandyllic. Thanks for fixing the Black Temple patch. Tankingmage (talk) 10:58, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Ok will do, it seems much neater and tidier looking. Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 16:07, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving

Happy thanksgiving Fandyllic! PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 16:24, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Why thanks. What do Canadians do for thanksgiving? I'm guessing play hockey. Winky --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Oct 2013 6:27 PM Pacific
Nah mostly stuff our face with turkey and pumpkin pie. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 02:37, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Quote of the week

-- ImportArticles sounds pretty generic for something that really only supports CSS and JS. Why use that name? Wouldn't something like ImportCSSorJS have been better? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Aug 2012 6:53 AM Pacific (talk · contr) 24 Aug 2012 6:53 AM Pacific
right on... :) After a lot of looking, Wikia implementation is doing everything on the client, as opposed to just emitting in the head the first time. Wikipedia looks like it uses the same load.php mechanism, but gets a significant number of imports in head on the original doc. Can observe by turning off JS, like in safari dev menu, and hit Rush (Band), in honor of Canadian Thanksgiving, and look at the head. If you look at ours, all of JS is added to the doc by client side inline JS code, in the body at the bottom, which gives horrible locked page effects on load. Celess (talk) 07:42, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Something happened on Wikia side

I think its them not us. Both 'chat' and 'wikia' sprite images not loading anymore. The oasis links look like: .skin-oasis .sprite { background-color: transparent; background-image: url(sprite.png); background-repeat: no-repeat; } But they are 404. If you remove the modifier __cb62369/ they load. There was some kind of disturbance in the force over an hour ago. Dun think i can fix this. The google cache version shows same code we have here [1]. None of our CSS touches the buttons. Celess (talk) 23:25, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

now is a 403. Celess (talk) 23:35, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
See your talk page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Oct 2013 4:54 PM Pacific


How do i upload a picture? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 18:14, October 21, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Click or go to Special:Upload or look for the + Add a Photo button on the right sidebar. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Oct 2013 10:15 AM Pacific
How do you do in on wowpedia?aswell,I go on both? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 12:19, October 22, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
The only way I know on Wowpedia is Special:Upload, but it requires you to be logged in as a registered user. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Oct 2013 4:12 PM Pacific

Change Status

FYI: There may be a bump for a min with the maps, though probably not. :) Celess (talk) 05:00, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

There was, I missed a word. Have to wait for next JS/CSS cycle. Should be good now. Celess (talk) 05:04, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

FYI: About to degradation test Tabber tabs, like what they look like when plugin fails or page not loaded yet. Will be about 20 min or so. Just won't be tabs, content will be there. Celess (talk) 22:30, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so tabber now works correctly, like intended. :) If the JS doesn't load, it looks like regular wiki with tab background. Also the tab extents now properly include all tab content and the extra { {clr} } is no longer necessary, and a bunch of other stuff....  Authors can just make tabs and and will just 'do the right thing'. ;) Also, the TOC (due to the old pop-out) will no longer split headings or do other funky things as far as breaking the rest of the layout. I think this was an issue forever, and if a page that before could not tolerate the wrath of the TOC, maybe now could. The WM 'over three headings' default thing may be now OK again. Any questions concerns or otherwise, please let me know. Going to finish integrating the Tabber CSS now, the then back to the rest of wherever else I left off. Celess (talk) 17:08, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Also, its important to note that the actual Tabber styling, is as I found it. However you are now afforded more opportunities to bend the CSS as you see fit, and directly here in our own CSS files. In an hour or so will be done integrating. Celess (talk) 17:13, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Disabling TOC pop-out for a while for testing. :) Celess (talk) 23:58, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Done using Death Knight as guinea pig :). Rounded corners were reconciled site wide as target of opportunity and because it was old and crusty, which mostly means that IE gets rounded corners and support was shifted to support modern browsers and sets of older phones target, i.e. Webkit: Safari 3-4, iOS 1-3.2, Android ≤1.6 and CSS3: Opera 10.5+, IE9+, Safari 5+, Chrome, FF4+, iOS 4+, Android 2.1+. :) Also sub-portal menu was rearranged to make Mists first to match the main portal and has consistant lightly roundy corners on tabs, though still needs love. Other stuff. Celess (talk) 05:11, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

--> After this last pass, should there should be another good sized bump in speed across all browsers. Check Portal:Main, which is a good litmus test. Client speed is good enough now that you should be able to easily tell which phase the load process is in 1) blank waiting as page un-cached on server and building, 2) client is loading body, 3) free to scroll / 'roam about the cabin'. Generally 1) cant be helped, except maybe 20% due to template and MW costs, and only by loweirng page size and template complexity. Is also a one time thing, for usually one single person, until next cache clear which may be months apart. The 2) is the most important, and is where someone can finally scroll down, as what's on top is almost never what they are after, this part should be much better. 3) the smoothness of the 'post-load' load should be far more reasonable. I'm not done, but the irritation level should be much lower and far more consummate with the 700K level and beyond. Celess (talk) 21:10, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anon welcome message

Just in case, is revisit MediaWiki:Welcome-message-anon time? Celess (talk) 06:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

If you want to fancy it up, please do. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Nov 2013 10:25 PM Pacific

World of Warcraft's subscribers

Do we have a page anywhere about World of Warcraft's subscription numbers? The latest report suggests that the subscription numbers may be stabilising now. Tankingmage (talk) 23:02, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

We don't have a specific page for subscriber numbers. I just add links to stories to the World of Warcraft External links section under News. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Nov 2013 4:09 PM Pacific

Sister Sites

Did intend to remove original one? :) Celess (talk) 18:49, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

nvm :) Celess (talk) 18:58, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


I called it Karabor city because Karabor redirected to the Black Temple, and I didn't know how to overcome that Tankingmage (talk) 03:35, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 7:47 PM Pacific

Bladespire Fortress

That is Bladefire Citadels correct name! (Btw this is Kal,just really lazy to log in ,_,) Ref:

Umm, no. Bladespire Fortress is the correct name. Did you even look at Warlords of Draenor: Adventuring from 90 to 100? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 8:27 PM Pacific
Eh,Can you make sure to fix all the names?(The ones that have not been fixed of course!) --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 11 Nov 2013 5:02 AM UTC 05:02, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
I think I fixed most of them. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 9:05 PM Pacific

Spearate orcs page

Could we have a seprate Page for the Orcs(Brown) from 0600Warlords-Logo-Small?Thanks Kal --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 11 Nov 2013 4:38 PM UTC 16:38, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'll have to think about that. Technically the brown orcs are called Mag'har and Blizzard has given no info that they'll call the new Draenor versions anything different. Let's wait for more info before we make a separate page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Nov 2013 8:44 AM Pacific
Okay, it looks like the current Mag'har page is for the faction so I will move it to Mag'har (faction). --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Nov 2013 8:45 AM Pacific

Q & A

Hey Fandyllic, you may have noticed, but I went through the Q & A from Blizzcon and have most of them on my profile page. Raylan and I are working on a plan for the Q and A. Also I wanted to nomimate User:RaceLord for becoming a patroller. I saw on his talk page that you guys were considering making him a moderator/admin, I'd just like to rejuvenate that topic. Tankingmage (talk) 04:51, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Is the Q&A on your page from the WoW Q + A About Almost Everything?, if so that's awesome. You could put it at BlizzCon 2013/WoW Q & A About Almost Everything and work on it there. It needs mostly only a little formatting and a legend for the various Blizz people name abbreviations (TC = Tom Chilton, etc.).
I was going to transcribe our John Lagrave interview, but I was too tired, so I'll do it this morning some time. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Nov 2013 7:24 AM Pacific
It is done! Also, I think the closest thing we have to the WoW head development team is. It would be nice to have a 'normal page' for them I think. I'll add in some of the developers to the new page or the category page, depending on what we decide. It's pretty out of date. I also want to know, where do we have a page for running blizzard jokes. For example 'on the yacht!' Tankingmage (talk) 16:24, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Iron Horde

So can you guys have a special Iron Horde icon like Neutral 15,since zones like Gorgrond and Nagrand Are whole zones dedicated to them and the Iron Horde.Thanks If you can do that. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 12 Nov 2013 4:10 PM UTC 16:10, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've already been thinking about that and doing some research, but I haven't found a symbol yet from Blizzard for the Iron Horde. When I find it, I will definitely make an icon for them. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Nov 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
I'm pretty sure Wowpedia has one,on their Iron Horde page. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 15 Nov 2013 4:47 PM UTC 16:47, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw theirs. I'm trying to find a better quality version, of that one is legit. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Nov 2013 2:32 PM Pacific

BlizzCon Q & A

All set, BlizzCon 2013/WoW Q & A About Almost Everything and {{Texts}}. Can use now. I'll fix the 'says' 'yells' business and whatnot in the templates later. Gone for few hours. Celess (talk) 01:20, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


My talk Winky Celess (talk) 00:13, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

And after looking at the Garrison page, ill add a 'tight' option for media or other uses that need 'fitted' content in tight space.

Wanted to point out my admin nomination for Tankingmage. I know we've bantered it about for a bit, but especially in light of BlizzCon and his contributions there that helped things go smoother than expected, thought I'd put it up Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:46, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


{{Warlords}} ,Mind helping me? Example:Pages need Warlords/Update and Characters need Faction alignment changes.Thanks,and about WoW Fri/Sat/Sun are my most active.--IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 4 Dec 2013 1:03 AM UTC 01:03, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking for help with... --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Dec 2013 6:25 PM Pacific

Mostly everything that needs editing,also what came in thecpress kit lol? --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 4 Dec 2013 8:22 PM UTC 20:22, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'll point you to some specific stuff to work on... The bios from the press kit are all already in WoWWiki, but I'll make sure everything WoW related is uploaded. The press kit was kind of disappointing. I could mail you the USB drive, if you want. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Dec 2013 2:36 PM Pacific

Anon vandals discussion

It's been a while since I touched bases on this, so wanted to see if anyone has any opinions either way on the proposed tweaks to the vandalism policy. It's a two-fold proposal Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:37, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Based on the discussion, I went ahead and put up the anon penalty changes for a vote, so be sure to pop in there! Be aware that I'm moving the discussion of an additional template to another proposal, so that isn't included. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 22:23, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ryse Wiki logo request

I know you have a history with making logos for wikis. At a wiki I'm working on, the wiki-wordmark is simply the logo for the game. Could you make a logo for the wiki, which says "Ryse Wiki", if you don't mind (as well as helping with any additional problems you see on the wiki, as you seem like a very competent editor)? Heedful (talk) 23:44, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

New Wiki SlideShow feature

Hey so I asked Celess how difficult it would be to make the Main page promo a slideshow, as he did it. I just wanted to know what you and Raylan thought of it, cause we can change it back if you don't like it. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 01:22, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's not so much a new format with the promo. You now have the option of adding generic rotating 'wiki' banners or slide shows where ever, including any of the the promo, with modern trimmings. I tested additionally with existing Portal:Main promo and let it rotate with the WoD promo and the WoW portal promo. While testing I think Macophager decided he wanted to take it for a spin. He swapped videos for a few regualar WoW promotions. They all seem to work.
For the tool itself, I left it pretty basic because I know there were probably some specific features you and Raylan13 were going for in the earlier effort several months ago, so they could be added. Can find more detail here User talk:Celess22##Slide_Show. And seperately, the map Coords are fixed now for the map hover popup. :) Celess (talk) 02:50, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

OK 'slide' effect was added, as previously only had 'fade', and goes only to the left atm. Can see on MediaWiki:SlideShow/Test with the logos. Just to reiterate, this is a general facility and wiki template. Can have any number of 'SlideShows' on a page, and up to 5 slides at the moment, limited by the template which you guys can change as you wish. I also added back the '75% off wow' promo slide on Main/Promos that go lost while Mac and I were playing with it. I still need to put docs on the template and feel free to ask for features, now is good. Its wide open to do whatever. Celess (talk) 20:49, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Expert Nomination

Hey Fandyllic, it's been a while. How was Blizzcon? Just realized that TheKaldorei signed up to be an expert in RTS for Warcraft 3 I believe WoWWiki Talk:Experts needed/RTS. It's been a while since he applied and I figured i'd give you guys a nudge. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 23:46, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'll talk to Raylan about it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Dec 2013 6:08 PM Pacific

Master Tiner Trini

Can you fix the Master Tinker Trini page?Thanks. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 18 Dec 2013 5:32 PM UTC 17:32, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Done. It was mostly an item she sells that was the problem. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Dec 2013 9:38 AM Pacific


Dun forget the vote part at bottom, if you missed it. Winky To me, is just that Macro and some others wanted something as guideline for length, is what the vote is for. I think is what that boils down to. Currently as written infinite on an IP is no good. :) Celess (talk) 23:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing Verbatim

FYI. See User talk:Celess22#JS and CSS consolidation Winky. Plus, those verbatim mw codes been talkin bout your mom, so have to put them down now. Celess (talk) 19:43, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Things may be bumpy for a bit :) Celess (talk) 23:46, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Might notice a speed bump and possibly few things start working that haven't for ages. If you notice something amiss, please let em know. Winky Celess (talk) 00:18, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 21 Dec 2013 4:41 PM Pacific

Is done.... that'll teach em. Celess (talk) 02:10, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rename link for WhatLinksHere

Important: User_talk:Celess22#Rename_link_for_WhatLinksHere Celess (talk) 02:10, December 24, 2013 (UTC)


just fyi How to roleplay an evil character‎ Celess (talk) 18:32, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

...and Happy Hollidays Winky. Celess (talk) 22:46, December 24, 2013 (UTC)


Needs cleanup the old collapse cruft across many pages. Small targeted changes. Dun want to spam recent changes or affect stats. Has User:Celess22Bot and tested (which can see from spam, lol) Needs bot marker, if ok. ty Winky Celess (talk) 22:02, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

I tried, didn't want to bug you. Well I would have said something so you know. :) I could only give it 'patroller'. The admin, that would help for not having to do the protected pages by hand, sine you mentioned it. Definitly not put on admin list which I sure you wouldn't. :) Celess22 (talk) 03:46, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
MediaWiki or Wikia must have changed how Special:UserRights works. Oh well. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Dec 2013 8:08 PM Pacific
Yeah. its stated on community somewhere. One place says contact wikia staff, other place says bureaucrat. Must have been issues like with css common. Celess22 (talk) 04:35, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
So yes admin, sorry so much text. :) Celess (talk) 04:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sylvanas a Death Knight?

I address you by this present to ask them the following, Sylvanas Windrunner is possibly a Death Knight as she is capable of using two characteristics of these same skills, skills like "Army of the Dead" and "Death Grip" that by the way used in the raid End Time in addition, their skills are a derivative of the skills of a Death Knight profane but adding the use of a bow, I propose to put Sylvanas Windrunner as a possible Death Knight and other users to deemed, shall we? Clow864 (talk) 01:05, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

In short, no. Just because Sylvanas appears to share some death knight abilities does not make her a death knight. We know she is supposed to be a dark ranger, but we don't know what that means as far as abilities. Dark rangers could easily share abilities with a death knight, so that doesn't make them death knights also.
All that said, thanks for asking. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Jan 2014 7:38 AM Pacific
as well is said that a Ranger has magic skills and warrior, that does not make a warrior or mage and yet there is listed as one then you if a Ranger is a Magician and Warrior a 'Dark Ranger "is a" Necromancer "and" Warrior "with a bow, it as well makes it one Death Knight as well is said that a Ranger has magic skills and warrior, that does not make a warrior or mage and yet there is listed as one then you if a Ranger is a Magician and Warrior a 'Dark Ranger "is a" Necromancer "and" Warrior "with a bow, it as well makes it one Death Knight Clow864 (talk) 23:36, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
The other classes listed there are no more correct than death knight, unless they have a lore or in-game source. Also, the combinations of classes you state don't make one the other. A ranger IS NOT a magician and a warrior. So your whole argument starts on shaky ground. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 17 Jan 2014 8:54 AM Pacific
First read the part where it talks about the Elven Rangers in the following link: Ranger#Elven_ranger clearly says that elite warriors are capable of doing amazing things with their bows then read this link : Elven ranger third paragraph clearly speaks from magic used by the Elven ranger, also read: Dark ranger point that named "Background" speaks clearly Sylvanas change traditional magic of elven rangers by necromancy (that's becomes a necromancer which does not appear in the tags) and finally: Death_knight notes on notes clearly states that the death knight must be warriors or paladins and gives the coincidence that in the tags Sylvanas figure as a warrior, then Sylvanas Windrunner qualify to be tagged as a Death Knight in the same way that qualifies to be tagged as a Warrior Clow864 (talk) 02:27, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
Sources can't be vague like the ones you're mentioning. That makes it too easily changed by interpretation. However, you're thinking in the right direction, but those sources just aren't specific or good enough. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Jan 2014 11:30 AM Pacific
I present arguments that are in its own page, and you want to see what is ahead of your eyes is up to you, and that way qualify as necromarcer Sylvanas, do not you think? Clow864 (talk) 00:32, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
You can put it on the Sylvanas Windrunner's talk page. No need for a separate page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Jan 2014 9:40 PM Pacific
Alredy put it on the discussion page and another administrator (Raylan13) told me to convince you and 2 other (Tankingmage) (Celess22) also, the discussion page is inactive, it could last up to 2 years without reaching there consensus, in fact, I put this in October 2013 and no one gave me a good answer neither presented good argument against. In view of all this, you think Sylvanas Windrunner should be tagged as a Death Knight? (at least as likely to side) and as a Necromancer (Necromancy what it says in the article Dark Ranger) Clow864 (talk) 15:19, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

User question

FYI stumbled upon Template_talk:Orc_clans#Organization. Celess (talk) 02:04, January 22, 2014 (UTC)


Could you make the infoboxes for this wiki? Thanks -- 23:55, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

No, because I have no idea which ones to make and you should be able to copy them yourself. Also please don't post as anonymous, if you want to ask me to do something. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Jan 2014 5:04 PM Pacific

Oh god,did I really post as a anon? ,-, Anyways,I'm all confused on this template stuff.... --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 30 Jan 2014 1:08 AM UTC 01:08, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You should at least make a list of the infoboxes you want. There is no way I'm going to help copy all the ones from WoWWiki. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Jan 2014 5:19 PM Pacific

Okay I'm pretty sure I need...

  • Race Infobox
  • Zone Infobox
  • City Infobox
  • Npc box
  • char box(Is that a thing?)

Mainly the basic ones. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 30 Jan 2014 3:49 PM UTC 15:49, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Okay here's what I copied:
You'll have copy over the /doc pages and upload faction images and such to make them look nice. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Jan 2014 4:29 PM Pacific

Cenarion Circle

Cenarion Circle. Maybe check me on this. Edit before was a bit messed. Is part at the top before first section. Celess (talk) 00:59, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Looks okay. I will do a minor edits, but they're aren't crucial. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Feb 2014 9:55 AM Pacific


lol, on the edit note on the background color :) sorry. later, just so you know, you can place the text verbatim inline in its own slide right on the page. so whenever later you can put it in rotation liek the others without having to create a separate page. later ill look at the css and special business to make nicer, especially testing on FF if I know thats what you use ;) Celess (talk) 06:15, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't want it to be part of the slideshow, so that's why I did it that way. I created the separate page to mock it up, not as the source. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Feb 2014 10:18 PM Pacific

I know was for separate and not for rotation, special thing. :) just helpful note if needed for later. :) Celess (talk) 06:21, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Garrosh edits

mind fact checking my Garrosh Hellscream edits? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 09:40, February 12, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!


Maybe see WoWWiki_talk:Experts_needed/Roleplaying-Warcraft. Celess (talk) 17:57, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Saw it and commented. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Mar 2014 4:41 PM Pacific

User Tags

Currently can use the new MediaWiki:UserTags‎‎/code.js, just the same as the old js file for now, for editing roles or names.  :) MediaWiki:UserTags‎‎ is the main page for the module, as noted on WoWWiki:Development. I'll post something later on if changes. Celess (talk) 01:19, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone is about to temporarily look inactive :) Celess (talk) 02:25, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Dread Raven

Could you add the Dread Raven Mount. Icon?Same with the pet icon Thanks. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 28 Mar 2014 7:34 PM UTC 19:34, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 28 Mar 2014 3:41 PM Pacific


Should you ask if he'd like to be a patroller? --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 2 Apr 2014 3:15 PM UTC 15:15, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Eventually. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 Apr 2014 1:57 PM Pacific


Sorry, Wikia was having issues and when I saved the CSS it lagged and must have borked and cropped code. I just now noticed. Should go back to normal in a few minutes. Celess (talk) 01:24, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

No big deal. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Apr 2014 10:03 AM Pacific


Not sure if you wanted to check the Ga'nar and Drek'thar (WoD) Pages. —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 12:32, April 3, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Stuff not released yet should use the {{NYR}} tag. Otherwise, they're a good start. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Apr 2014 3:18 PM Pacific

Npcbox issue

Would you be able to help with an npc box issue? I can't seem to get the image to resize as it does with the mobs Ive been adding - Senior Historian Evelyna is looking rather tall! Jonrae (talk) 19:20, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5 Apr 2014 4:43 PM Pacific

Site name rename issues

In case didn't notice yet. See Raylan talk. As you know there's a lot of infrastructure tied to wiki namespace. External links broken right now. Celess (talk) 15:33, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Main Page

I've since corrected it Winky. I was solely looking at SEO tweaks and renamed the site "identifier" (wiki info) as "World of Warcraft Community" or something similar. Celess caught that it had the unintended effect of making those pages he linked to essentially nonexistent, so I've since swapped back to the WoWWiki identifier. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:06, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look over the changes, just to see what happened. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Apr 2014 10:42 AM Pacific

All pages WoWWiki: namespace go bonk. Or more like: 'poof'. By the time you looked must have been gone, or saw you coming and rund off. Celess (talk) 20:32, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Heh okay. Seems fixed now, but I will yell, scream and jump up and down, if it happens again. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Apr 2014 2:24 PM Pacific

Thanks for making the battle pet ability table templates! It's so much easier now! Smiley RBoy (talk) 01:42, April 16, 2014 (UTC)RBoy

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