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To avoid an edit war, I wish to discuss your changes to Ulduar. It used to be information taken directly from page 110 of Lands of Mystery, but you have reworded it into a shortened version with possible bits of fan fiction. Why?-- 23:03, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
- If you keep insisting on adding it back without a reason I will take it as vandalism.-- 22:58, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
- I think he is trying to update it to reflect it's state as we currently know it. A move I think is a great idea if only it was done without removing so much detail from it's state during lands of mystery. Maybe rewording the current info to past tense and then adding a description of it's newer appearance afterwords. But you are right, none of it will matter if Couloircarver won't respond and discuss the changes here or on the talk page. 00:41, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
The biggest issue I'm having with the Ulduar description is the bad grammar. There are so many run-on sentences and poorly punctuated sentences that I've made the edits to improve other users' experience reading the content. If the copy for the Ulduar page can be updated without major grammatical errors (and errors of logical continuity) I'd be glad to stop updating it. There are good resources on the web for writing essays, such as this guide to essay writing . I'd like to also mention that you don't own this website; it isn't vandalism when it is a public wiki, where anyone can add and modify content. -- Couloircarver (talk) 16:09, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- While you clearly did not come here to vandalize, i do have to correct you that while anyone is allowed to edit and modify content whether the edits remain or not is decided by the admins and patrolers. Simply because it's a public wiki does not mean anyone can add whatever they like, and there are strict guidelines for what constitues vandalism. Editing is a privilage, not a right.
- The issue i think was it was a large change, made by a new unknown user, without any prior discussion, and it seemed to marganize the older information, that from Lands of Mystery, that should remain for at least archival purposes even if the information is no longer correct. Personaly i'd like to see you stick around and edit it and other hard to read pages. 16:11, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- The issues of readability and grammar are significant barriers to understanding that passage on the Ulduar page. I will refrain from making further edits but for a site of this magnitude and influence I think it's a shame that a page as important as the Ulduar one is so poorly written. - Couloircarver (talk) 16:19, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- I agree they are which is why i'm dispaointed but understand why you've choosen not to edit further. 16:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Small point I'd like to make - admins don't decide whether edits stay or go - the whole community does. Admins just actually give out the bans (or delete the pages, etc). Even the ban policy, and who is given admin privileges, is given by the community.
- With that in mind, I think of editing as a right. But like rights in the real world, if you abuse your community, they will take away your rights as punishment. (Do you think a prisoner really has the right to pursue happiness, or even to vote? But he did, before breaking the law.) 6:00 PM, 24 Sep 2009 (EDT)
May I suggest creating a sandbox page, like User:Couloircarver/Ulduar, to hold an interrim version of your edits? SWM (and maybe Pcj) could collaborate on that without risking an edit war on the main page. It looks to me as if your changes were extensive enough, and SWMs objections were complex enough, that he could not take adequate time to replace portions that he felt were required by the original source material. A sandbox page would give you both liberty to edit/comment/collaborate without the pressure that major changes to the main page would present. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:35, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- The content was being repeatedly changed beyond grammar (citations were even removed), without discussion or even an edit summary, and I could not get a response when I asked why. I kept reverting it because of that. Yes, it was by a new user, so I may have been a little more wary than I should have, but I was not 'attacking'. No one owns the wiki (well, at least the content on it), but I am an Administrator. It is my hope that you do not cease editing because you hit a problem, and I will be glad to help with anything.-- 00:23, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
- It is better than giving up.-- 23:33, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
Excessive Edits Edit
I don't mean to sound rude, but is there any way you can accomplish your tasks without making an absurd amount of edits to an article? Specifically, I'm talking about Spell hit, which on August 26th you made 36 edits to, most of them within an hour. Also on August 27th, you made another 11 edits to the article, and on September 15th, you made another 6 edits. This clutters the history and makes the article virtually impossible to compare to older versions. Also, those who have the page on watchlist get flooded with emails. If you are having trouble with formatting, might I suggest using the Preview button before saving an edit, or possibly one of the many sandboxes availible, or possibly your own? Hinata Soul (talk) 17:00, November 21, 2009 (UTC)