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Format a long quote (over four lines) as an italicized block quotation, which will be indented from both margins. Do not enclose the block quote in quotation marks.
I think it should be added on this page that, according to what I was told, if a page is nothing but a huge quote then WW:MOS does not apply.
You were told wrong. If the page is nothing but a large quote, the page should be rewritten. There should be very few instances where a blockquote should be needed. Let me think on the addition of that. --Sky (t · c · w) 00:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay. This one is an interesting one as to when and when not to blockquote something I find. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Ya, avoid exact quotes. Paraphrase whenever possible. Pages or sections of nothing but blockquotes or mostly block quotes look fairly unprofessional.Baggins (talk) 04:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I am talking about quotes I find by others not myself. What do I do then? Paraphrase it myself, blockquote it, or what? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
A designer' quote? I'd suggest remain blockquote. If its fan comment, its not wanted.Baggins (talk) 04:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
No, I mean if I find a page on WoWWiki which is full of direct quotes and not paraphrased. Should I leave it alone or try to paraphrase it? You said 1 or 2 line entries on WoWWiki are not liked, yet I find dozens of those said pages on here. Should I blockquote them or what? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest leaving it alone. Let someone who can do a good paraphrase have a crack at it. But put up the {{fair use}} at the top of the page, this is mainly for extensive use on pages such as Scarlet Crusade. P.S. Yes I understand that some people question paraphrases, automatically assuming that the info was taken out of context, this can lead to a fair number of {{fact}}. Yes one has to be careful that paraphrases do not wildy change the context of the original source, giving out false info... Baggins (talk) 05:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay. My hand is going to hurt typing {{fair use}} so many times. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 05:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I've done "slight paraphrases" where I've removed Brann's POV or another FPS style turning it into a third person omniscient style (ex. I've reduced Milan and Urok's info into 3rd person style), but retaining the flow of his original work. Blockquote will not work for those as they are not the original quotes, or truly quotes. Although they are very close to the original source.
Also you don't bother with short paragraph articles, if there is only a single paragraph of information, there probably won't be anymore, and sometimes paraphrasing such things in good quality is difficult.... and don't be so anal retentive. There is no reason to be so obessive compulsive. There are better things you can be doing with your time. Wowwiki is not your job, you don't have to "fix" everything, there is a whole group of people that are working on the wiki to do that sort of thing.Baggins (talk) 05:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I know that but when I see stuff like that it hurts my eyes and i want to fix it. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Fel Stone Edit

A gray ore known as fel stone litters the physical spaces of the Nether. It functions as a conduit for the Nether’s entropic energies. The Tothrezim mine the ore and shape it to create shells that channel the energy. The results are fiery infernals.S&L 154
For the time being try to avoid the 1-2 sentence article types. This falls into that whole thing about plagiarism and copying every single item from the books, that I mentioned earlier. However the info might fit into the Twisting Nether article as part of the nether's description.Baggins (talk) 04:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not giving an OK here (Baggins?), but couldn't this be fit into tothrezim or infernal? Actually, Infernal sounds like a really good idea. Fel Stone would then be a redirect. --Sky (t · c · w) 20:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
It sorta fits into all three. Although not all infernals are made out of fel stone, the MMO had some quests dealing with infernal creation.Baggins (talk) 01:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Chief Osak Edit

A new page not on WoWWiki. Chief Osak is featured in the Tauren legend called Osak and the White Kodo. His people were starving. It was a bad winter and spring was far away. He went into the forest and saw a white kodo which led him to a clean lake filled with fish.HPG 148
Let's see this in your sandbox. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Flarion Edit

A new page not on WoWWiki. Flarion is a fire elemental. He is the servant of Ragnaros The Dark Iron dwarfs are his servants. His story is tied to Rumholt Thunderaxe when he was disguised as a Dark Iron dwarf.LoC 133, 139-140
This too, in your sandbox. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Orcdom Edit

This would be a redirect page to the Orc page. It is another name for Orcs.
Where from? --Sky (t · c · w) 04:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
It is from Warcraft: Orcs & Humans - Official Secrets & Solutions. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure. But consider that this is essentially the same as any -dom and not specific to orcs of course. We could probably make an [elfdom] if we wanted to, but that hasn't shown up anywhere. That said, I think this is fine since it did find mention in an official book. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
It is supposed to be the equivalent of the word Humanity for Humans. You have the terms Human and Orc, Humanity and Orcdom, and then Mankind but I have not seen an equivalent to that for Orcs. I haven't looked but there could be the terms Man and Humankind out there for Humans too. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Alliance Trauma and Horde Trauma Edit

The Trauma Surgeon addresses you as Doctor when you talk to him. After finishing the quest Triage, you are welcomed to either Horde Trauma or Alliance Trauma depending on which side your character is on.
These really don't have enough to stand up on their own. I would either a) redirect them to Triage (the respective quests), or to First Aid. Probably the former. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 05:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Gadgetzan Waterworks Co. Edit

This organization has a few quests involved with it and the NPCs are located in both Gadgetzan and Steamwheedle Port. They seem to be under the Gadgetzan faction which in turn is under the Steamwheedle Cartel faction.
A mention in Gadgetzan would probably be appropriate. Feel free to redirect. --Sky (t · c · w) 04:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh okay. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 05:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Joo is gonna do dees mon? :) --Sky (t · c · w) 16:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh ya. I was just trying to divide my time between WoWWiki and the events of the Scourge Invasion/Hallow's End, which just had to happen at the same time. Now Hallow's End is over so there is just WoWWiki and the Scourge Invasion. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Metropolis, Village, Hamlet, etc. Edit

Since we have pages on cities and towns shouldn't we have a page on metropolises, villages, hamlets, etc. since they are in the RPG? Currently, village redirects to the town page which is incorrect since they are two different sizes of population, a village being much smaller usually. A hamlet is even smaller than a village. Other names of populated centers are called strongholds, encampments, scholarly retreats, etc but I am not sure if you want those made into pages. Of course, each of these "terms" have at least one or more examples, some even a dozen, coming from the RPG so we could also list on the respective pages which settlements are under those terms. Don't worry, there are no Megalopolises in WoW...yet. LOL
These can probably all be combined into one page. I would advise you hold off on this, while I think on it. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay dokie. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I tried making some of these into pages but Gourra reminded me to ask you first. I wanted to make them because I was making Categories about them. I was making Categories about them because I have a whole list from the RPG about what settlements are metropolises, cities, towns, etc. I did ask you earlier but you said you would think about it... Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 13:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
By the way, we have articles called hills and mountains and categories like Category:Crossings and Category:Valleys on WoWWiki. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 13:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

NPCs Edit

List all NPCs here with a red link instead of in separate headers. If they are not an in-game NPC, they do not go here. --Sky (t · c · w) 04:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Now you tell me. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 05:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Aldor Neophyte, Allerian Defender, Allerian Horseman, Allerian Peasant, Argent Sentry, Black Cat, Bloodmaul Evil Spirit, Bloodmaul Goon, Bloodmaul Supplicant, Boom Bot, Caer Darrow Citizen, Caer Darrow Guardsman, Caer Darrow Horseman, Cenarion Hold Infantry, Chloe Curthas, Cultist Engineer, Darnassian Protector, Death Knight Understudy, Disembodied Exarch, Drained Phase Hunter, Edward, Effsee, Ember of Al'ar, Erich Lohan, Fel Reaver Sentinel, Guard Clarke, Head of the Horseman, Hellfire Combat Dummy, Hillsbrad Footman, Honor Hold Cavalryman, Horde Silithyst Sentinel, Ironforge Cavalryman, Living Flame, Lunar Festival Sentinel, Mana Wraith, Marla Fowler, Mok'Nathal Hunter, Mok'Nathal Spirit, Narnie, Nascent Fel Orc, Naxxramas Combat Dummy, Officer Jaxon, Orgrimmar Elite Cavalryman, Orgrimmar Elite Shieldguard, Phase Hunter, Phoenix (mob) (I am not sure if this is the same as the Phoenix article so I called it "mob"), Practice Dummy, Protectorate Defender, Protectorate Vanguard, Razorfen Spearhide, Refuge Pointe Defender, Riding White Stallion, Rifleman Wheeler, Robert Clarke, Scourge Footsoldier, Scout Manslayer, Scout Stronghand, Scout Tharr, Shadow of Aran, Shadowfang Wolfguard, Silvermoon Practice Dummy, Spirit of the Damned, Steven Allen, Stormspire Nexus-Guard, Stormwind Cavalryman, Stromgarde Calvryman, Theramore Combat Dummy, Theramore Guard, Theramore Practicing Guard, Timothy Clark, Wildhammer Sentry, Tork, Torki, Torkus Jr., Towering Infernal, Tyler, Undercity Practice Dummy

I would make a Phoenix (mob) for the version in The Eye and another Phoenix (Magisters' Terrace mob) for the version in Magisters' Terrace. I'm using the same naming convention as Kael'thas Sunstrider (tactics) and Kael'thas Sunstrider (Magisters' Terrace tactics). --Gengar orange 22x22 Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:03 PM PST 23 Oct 2008
Okay cool. I will make those two pages that way. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Mk, before I approve all of them, make sure you know how to categorize them all. Ie, make one page and then we'll see if there is anything that you need to fix, then we'll go from there. --Sky (t · c · w) 17:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay I will do the Caer Darrow Citizen page since it is the first one on the list. So take a gander when you can. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 01:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Mk, let's note Gourra's changes here. He added the external links (elinks) that is requisite for any given page. He also added the very large reminder about adding bad elinks — while I personally detest it, and while most NPCs don't necessarily need it, feel free to use your judgement in that case.

He also corrected the race of the NPC/mob. If it's a ghost, put that he's a ghost. As for creature, that's the category defined by the game - ie, beast, undead, uncategorized, dragonkin, humanoid, etc. This particular element is popular because of some UI mod distributed with Thottbot or CTProfiles way back when, and so we include it for information's sake. I'm pretty sure you can lookup that information (sometimes) on Wowhead — if it isn't present, have a guess. It's fine to be wrong, but unlikely, as there are only so many categories of creatures. The creature types listed on the page Creature can be used for that.

And then categorize by the most specific you can get race you can get. If he's a ghost, add him to Category:Ghosts rather than Category:Undead.

Have a gander at another article. How about one of the Bloodmauls? --Sky (t · c · w) 02:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay I will try out Bloodmaul Evil Spirit. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Mk. This is the edit I made.

I personally dislike those tables. If it can be expressed in words, it should be, as in, one or two quests. If there are more quests, then they should be in the form used at Thrall, as a list ordered by level.

I also changed the the couple sentences it did have to be both more succinct and more descriptive. You should be able to say what an NPC is and what purpose it serves, not just one or the other.

I kept the red category you had, though I'm not so sure someone won't come along and fix it. However, you forgot one thing on that page, and I didn't fix it for you. Guess. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 16:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you forgot two things. What's the other? --Sky (t · c · w) 16:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea. It looks like it is all there to me. Was I supposed to put a Mob stub? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 01:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Have a look at Help:NPC articles then or the documentation for NPCbox. You should be able to spot one of the things from looking at the documentation, and the other from the help page, I think. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The only thing I can see missing is "reaction", "status", and maybe "coordinates", but I didn't think coordinates were 100% necessary or how to even find them. The mob has no title, gender, mana, affiliation, occupation, or loot — that I know of at least. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 01:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Coordinates are pretty easy. Just pop onto Wowhead and grab one of the coordinates. Preferably from a place where there are a lot of them in a bunch. Coordinates aren't really necessary, so long as you at least give the zone and subzone in the box. As for status, that's mainly for characters in lore. No, I was directly referencing 'reaction' as one of the points I wanted to make.
The other thing missing isn't in the npcbox. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I cannot figure it out. A Blade's Edge Mountains category? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Very close. Which? --Sky (t · c · w) 04:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Blade's Edge Mountains Mobs? I am not sure because it is a summoned creature and not walking around all the time. I would say Blade's Edge Mountains quests but it is only an objective and not the name of the quest. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
<deindent> You over-thought that one. Simply should be [Category:<zone> <descriptor>]. As it isn't an NPC, that makes it a mob, so categorize it as a one of the Blade's Edge Mountains mobs. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, let's have you fill in one more to see if you got that last one. One of your choosing, but unrelated to the previous 2. --Sky (t · c · w) 23:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay I will try Tork. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 01:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
There's one more thing missing. Pretty big thing. I'm sure you can get it.
I also remade the race to ogre mage, and changed the appropriate category, even though that doesn't exist. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
My comment evaporated? I wrote "I think I forgot the e-links" but now it is gone. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, one more. I'm really close to letting you go on a creation spree here. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay I will try Torki. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Have at it. If the NPCs are involved with a quest, remember to add the quest they're involved with and how they are involved. Otherwise, go go go! --Sky (t · c · w) 02:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

NPCs archived from above Edit

A new page not on WoWWiki. This is an NPC in-game.
Yes. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
A new page not on WoWWiki. This is an NPC in-game.
Yes. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Mk, you made a few mistakes, MOS based ones more or less (shame). See my corrections here. You should probably fix the other ones accordingly. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Those aren't mistakes. I just didn't know I had to fill the entire page out. Ok I corrected them. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
A new page not on WoWWiki. A Worgen Mob NPC in the game in Shadowfang Keep.
A new page not on WoWWiki. This is an NPC in-game.
Yes. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's something to do Edit

Just before you got on, this user got off. There are a ton of fixes to the articles he made that you can make; if you know anything about any of them, you can add to that as well.

The main problem with each of them is...? --Sky (t · c · w) 03:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I fixed them as much as I could if they needed it. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Now, if you were to contact him on his talk page about what he was doing wrong, what exactly would you post? --Sky (t · c · w) 02:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Well mostly I would tell him it was WW:MOS in that he never mentioned the article title within the actual article. Other than that, there were a few spelling/grammar errors and some sentences that I rewrote so that they made a little more sense, at least to me. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Questions Edit

I guess no one answers questions on Talk Pages anymore. I asked 10 questions on 10 different Talk Pages so far. LOL Anyways, I just moved the article Grand master to the article Grand Master since the strategy guide says that "Grand Master Trainers teach players to become Grand Masters themselves". It makes sense too because why would a Grand Master train you to become a Grand master. LOL Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, why is the article for the faction titled The Taunka and not Taunka, while the other factions do not include the word "The" as part of their title as they do in official lore? Is it because of the race called Taunka? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Subzones Edit

What do you think about the changes I made? Alterac Mountains and Elwynn Forest. Should I continue with the other zones? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Glossary Edit

Is it okay to add words from the World of Warcraft Battle Chest Guide Glossary? I am not sure if it depends on the term because there are so many to list. Here is a sample, AKA, BBL, Boots (Battleground)‎, BRT, Cheese (Term), Artificial Intelligence, Con, Chain Casting, Crash to Desktop, Customer Service Representative, DnD, etc. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 04:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't, preferably. If you want, list the ones you were thinking of below this and unlinked, preferably in a list: --Sky (t · c · w) 04:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Term
  • Term2
Argh, all that work for nothing. LOL I will make a list later I guess. Right now I am battling a vandal on WoWWiki. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 05:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
OK here goes. All these are from the World of Warcraft Battle Chest Guide in which they have a section on terms and their definitions. By the way, the citation page on WoWWiki is missing a lot of books so it should be updated. It says try not to edit the page unless an admin helps or something so I haven't added to the citation page all the books I see are missing. Also, a lot of the terms I found in the guide are already on WoWWiki so I don't see why these cannot be with them also. The first is a list of terms not in WoWWiki and the second is a list of terms on WoWWiki but spelled differently.
  • AKA - new
  • BBL - new
  • Boots - new
  • Cheese - new
  • Con - new
  • Crash to Desktop - new
  • Customer Service Representative - new
  • GG - new
  • GJ - new
  • GUI - new
  • Hate List - new
  • IMO - new
  • Leech - new
  • Lowbie - new
  • Med - new
  • MOG - new
  • NM - new
  • Point Blank AOE - new - redirect to Area of effect]]
  • Rested Bonus - new - I'm pretty sure this is on wiki somewhere, so redirect.
  • Uber - new - unsure on this one.
  • Artificial Intelligence - correct spelling - already dealt with.
  • Chain Casting - correct spelling - should be at chain casting
  • DnD - correct spelling - only to a minor degree.
One last note, I did not write the guide so... Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Added a few. Give me some time on it. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Taunka Edit

I think we should merge the articles Taunka and The Taunka, although some people do not agree. The Taunka are the race and a faction. I will add some quotes from the "official guide" to add onto the evidence. Under the page for the faction The Taunka it says, "These strong, stoic people are distant cousins of the Tauren and share that race's bond with nature, though the harsh climate of Northrend has shaped the Taunka's relationship with the world differently that that of their ancestral relatives." Under the page for Howling FJord it says, "Like their ancestral relations the Tauren, the Taunka are a hardy people who have given their allegiance to the Horde." Under the faction The Tuanka on the website it says, "Ancient relatives of the tauren, the taunka have aligned with the Horde Expedition in the hopes of driving the Lich King from their homeland." All these quotes seem to say that the faction and race are one and the same. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 02:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I personally think we should go with what you've got here, but hold off on the issues. I'm almost at the end of finals here. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Good luck. I hope it is multiple choice. Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 03:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Useful macros for paladins Edit

Some of these seem to not work. Could I test and remove the macros that do no work? Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 06:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend removing the ones that don't work to the talk page, under a new heading along the lines of "Macros which don't work". --Sky (t · c · w) 15:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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