Hey Edit

Hey Tankingmage, welcome to WoWWiki! Thanks for updating the status of those NPCs. If you have any questions feel free to leave a message on my talk page. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 16:46, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Dude! Edit

Thanks for the welcome! I'll bear that in mind! See you round! —This unsigned comment is by Tankingmage (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Definitely PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 01:45, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

WoW Pro Lore videos Edit

Are you affiliated with WoW-Pro? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 15 Apr 2013 5:15 PM Pacific

Hey Fandyllic, I am not, and I hadn't heard of it until you said, do you think I should modify it a little as to avoid confusion? And it is (WoW) Pro Lore, not (WoW-Pro) Lore, thanks for the feedback Tankingmage (talk) 11:58, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Modifying the info to be most specific would be good.

Sure :) I'm open to suggestions Tankingmage (talk) 23:52, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Linking Edit

I recommend using Source mode of the editor, if you aren't already.

To link to High Sorcerer Andromath you would use wikitext code:

[[High Sorcerer Andromath]]

To change the link text shown to something like "Andromath", but link to High Sorcerer Andromath page use wikitext code:

[[High Sorcerer Andromath|Andromath]]Andromath

You can see a quickref for wikitext code at Help:Wikitext or Help:More Wikitext. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 May 2013 3:11 PM Pacific

Thanks a bunch dude :) I'll get round to that :D Tankingmage (talk) 23:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Name Edit

Try editing your profile. That should make it not appear as red any longer. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 03:57, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

I did it :) Thanks! Tankingmage (talk) 10:23, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Patroller Edit

Since you've started here, you've done some great work and tend to hit quite a few pages. We can always use people to curtail vandalism and act as patrollers. This is also the first step for anyone wishing to become an eventual admin. If you're interested, leave me a message Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:33, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Added you to the list - you should also see a nice tag next to your name on your profile page. Welcome to the team! Looking forward to more great vids Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Darkspear Rebellion Edit

Good work. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 May 2013 7:49 AM Pacific

Colours of quote text Edit

Without specific examples of what you're seeing, most likely these quotes are using the template {{text}}. See the documentation for its use. However, I often just use basic HTML and CSS, i.e. <span style="color:red;">Some red text</span>Some red text --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 May 2013 10:24 AM Pacific

Thanks Fandyllic, so is it ok to do the colourful colours? Do you do normal text because it's more efficient time wise?Tankingmage (talk) 11:46, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Edit

Hey Tankingmage, thanks! He is a Blood elf frost Death knight. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 23:08, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on making Patroller by the way!PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 23:09, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
Cool, I used to play a Blood Elf Death Knight on EU, Blood, back in Wrath of the Lich King, until I moved to US, and thanks :)Tankingmage (talk) 00:27, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Wow Pro Lore Lethargy of the Orcs Edit

Hey, I noticed you had the same video duplicated for different pages Tongueout, so I took the liberty of linking them all to Wow Pro Lore Lethargy of the Orcs-0. I hope that's fine with you, and with your permission I'd like to delete the duplicated videos. Thanks for adding it by the way, it's great to have so many new videos for pages! PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 22:43, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Oh thanks a bunch :P How do you do that? :) Still learning :L and yep sure, no problem, thankyou :) Tankingmage (talk) 00:21, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
I just went in and edited each video link to the same video, I'm not sure how to do it when you upload on multiple places, without just manually going back and changing them. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 00:48, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Ok thanks Macrophager :), Selama Ashal'anore!Tankingmage (talk) 01:12, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Spam Edit

Always good to ask Smiley Anytime there's spam like that we go ahead and delete it. If it ends up being from a user where that is their only edit, we also tend to ban them indefinitely. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:03, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wowpedia Edit

Wowpedia was created when Wikia screwed up royally by re-designing a globally imposed wiki skin without really accommodating the wishes of many wiki admins including WoWWiki. Instead of trying to work with the admins they basically said, "if you don't like it, leave." So many did. I mostly boycotted Wikia for awhile (6 or 9 months, I forget how long exactly) and WoWWiki was in bad shape soon after most of the WoWWiki admins made a copy of WoWWiki's database according to CC-by-SA and started Wowpedia based on that data. It largely happened also because Curse offered to host the wiki for free. I worked on Wowpedia and not WoWWiki early on after coming back from my boycott of Wikia, but I also worked on other Wikia wikis at the same time (like Templates and Logo Creation).

I didn't get along great with all the Wowpedia admins (even before they left for WoWWiki) and Wikia had learned from some of their mistakes. I also got to know Raylan13 who Wikia initially hired as a contractor to keep WoWWiki from falling completely into ruin. So, as I said I was still working on non-WoWWiki Wikia wikis, so I started checking in on WoWWiki from time to time and got to talking with Raylan13. Throughout this time I also took about a 6 month break from WoW (during Wrath). So when I got back into WoW I decided to see how WoWWiki was going and it wasn't good. Since I wasn't doing that much on Wowpedia by that time I started working again on WoWWiki instead.

I had plenty of disagreements with Wikia during this period and still we don't really see eye to eye, but Raylan13 turned out to be a really good person, so I decided to work on WoWWiki primarily to support him and give Wowpedia some much needed competition.

At least that's how I recall it. The order and timing might be slightly off, but that's the nutshell. I have probably answered this question half a dozen times, but I keep forgetting where I answered it.

Wowpedia is not really more popular than WoWWiki, but they do have a larger group of dedicated editors and admins. So, alot of their pages are better than WoWWiki. However, you got to remember about 80%+ of their content was basically stolen to start out with, so I would say on average Wowpedia and WoWWiki are comparable enough that you can't say one is definitely better tan the other. Most of WoWWiki's problems have been related to Wikia's mistakes. So, if they stop making them, WoWWiki may someday recover to it's former glory.

In all honestly, unless Wikia puts alot more effort into compensating for the huge mistake they made that led to the forming of Wowpedia, I expect Wowpedia to eventually kill WoWWiki. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5 Jun 2013 1:48 PM Pacific

Ok, I prefer WoWWiki, for many reasons, and the way I see it WoWWiki looks a lot better for any article that isn't pertaining to Mists of Pandaria. But hopefully as my channel grows on youtube I'll be able to get a few more avid editors... Selama Ashal'anore! SmileyTankingmage (talk) 22:58, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
WoWWiki has the Macrophager, which already makes it more awesome! Tongueout PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 00:03, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Expert Edit

Seeing as how you've done a ton of lore-related videos, would you be comfortable with the lore expert badge for the site? People may end up coming to you with questions if they see the badge, so I wanted to make sure. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:58, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Raylan Smiley Sounds good thanks!Tankingmage (talk) 16:32, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Done! You can move the badge wherever you'd like on your page - I've placed it at the bottom. I believe we have a title associated with it for your profile; I'm working remotely, so have to implement that later if Fandyllic doesn't get to it first Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 17:41, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Raylan, thanks very much SmileyTankingmage (talk) 10:19, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Using current profile picture Edit

To use it like a regular image, I think you have to upload it again with Special:Upload. The profile pic stuff is Wikia specific and doesn't hook into the regular wiki image stuff. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Jun 2013 12:20 PM Pacific

Quotes Edit

Absolutely go ahead and do that! Take a look at the Warrior page for the new quotation template we're incorporating. If it's an in-game quote said by the character, the source can just be the character's name. Try to keep it to one quote, though, just to avoid crowding at the top Winky. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:12, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Moderator Edit

Heya Smiley You're approaching 1k edits and have been branching out to editing different sorts of pages/using different templates, etc. We've noticed you've also taken it upon yourself to extend a welcome to new users, are a regular editor, take direction well, and ask questions when needed. Since you conduct yourself in a manner befitting a future admin, we'd like to extend an invitation for you to take on the role of Moderator.

It comes with expanded abilities which can seem daunting at first, but you've never been shy about seeking help when you need it. As always, you can decline the invitation as well, with no hard feelings. This doesn't require you to be on any more than you already are, so don't feel any pressure whatsoever to make this a full-time thing!

Let me know what you think Winky! Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:18, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Very cool! Glad to have you aboard! If you've got any questions, feel free to toss them to me or Fandyllic Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:26, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Garrosh Quotes Edit

Hey, not sure if I did something wrong. Only got your notifications now.I wanted the quote at the top of the page simply because there was a quote already present, that was not particularly relevant to the content, did not properly express the characterization of the subject, and was not even said.... by him... so I took it upon myself to edit it with a more fitting quote. Why is "You... disappoint me... Garrosh..." more relevant to the page....? (Komakumair1 (talk) 17:28, August 5, 2013 (UTC))

Hey Tankingmage! Edit

Thanks for your comment and the help. I marked another editing of mine as speculation now too. And thanks for the warm welcome ;)

Since you offered me to ask questions here are some I have: 1. How long does it normally take until the edit of an article is open for others to see (except us wikians). 2. Do we need references if we are describing something we can see/find in WoW? I would not now how to give a source for that. 3. Are speculations wanted in wowwiki too? Because I know a lot of speculations I could add (if they are not there already) 4. In case someone changes something I wrote into something wrong or deletes it, is there a possibility to get the old things back?

All the Best


Hey!Can you do a lore video on Archmage Antonidas?

Ban Edit

Done Winky Thanks for pointing it out! Raylan13@fandom (talk) 03:53, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but no Edit

Ah, no, but that's the thing; I'm not particularly knowledgeable about MoP lore as a WHOLE, but I do pride myself on being knowledgeable about Garrosh Hellscream related lore (and Thrall. and Jaina. And Vol'jin. But that's not the subject right now).

In fact, the reason I created this account was to change the quote at the top of the page! Because, although this expansion has been a huge disappointment lore-wise (in my opinion), in previous expansions he was a great character, and still IS a good character from a storytelling perspective.

This is probably kind of stupid how passionate I am about this really specific niche, but I'd ask you to put aside and personal feelings you have about this character, for the sake of lore and storytelling. And since this is wowwiki, and you're a moderator, I'd hope you'd be able to do this for me and look at things from an objective standpoint, because otherwise would be doing a serious injustice to the game and the thought and care put into each and every character.

I have some light reading for you containing some articles I have both seen and written on the subject. Mine contain some cursing, because it's on my personal blog and I'm yelling at people as a response since I gave up being polite long ago, but I'll give you a heads-up on which links contain harsh language.

1. (Language) [1]

2. (Mild Language) [2]

3. [3]

4. [4]

5. [5]

6. [6]

7. (Language) [7]

So I mean like, whatever, you don't need to like him and I am certainly not forcing that on you. There's a lot of reasons to hate the guy or be disappointed in him or want to kill him, but... I don't like the idea of such a negative quote being used as a header, when really? This is not representative of who he is or current events (it's a quote from Wrath, dude). ESPECIALLY when other main antagonists, raid bosses, are NOT shown in such a negative light. Example, Arthas's quote is "I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland." [[8]]

Illidan's quote is "Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot. And sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those... Who would oppose us." [[9]] (although not particularly flattering, at least it was said by him, and not what someone said ABOUT him. Come on, dude.)

Or you could just ignore this and other people who feel similarly, but I don't think you'd be doing a good job as an editor or moderator if you let your personal feelings about a specific character get in the way of accuracy and dedication to the storyline.


(Komakumair1 (talk) 01:26, August 7, 2013 (UTC))

I replied on your talk page, here are my 2 replies again

Hmmm, I originally put the quote at the top of the page, because the whole idea is what a big disappointment Garrosh is to everyone. Try and see if anyone else has any input, if not then the current quote should be fine, which basically shows how Garrosh is a reckless idiot Tongueout and we're currently lacking many Mists of Pandaria editors, so if you're knowledgeable in that field your input would be highly appreciated! Again, let us know if you need a hand! Smiley
Thanks for the links, another user changed the quote, what do you think of the new one? And it's good to be knowledgeable on niches, so we'll welcome your edits Tongueout Tankingmage (talk) 20:35, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Editors Edit

Sure, I don't see any problem with that. Fandyllic seems to have a more aesthetic eye for the front page, so I'd run it by him to see what he'd like to do. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:06, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

FYI bad ref Edit

This change messed up the {{Patchbox}} on the Patch 5.4.0 page. You closed your <ref> with a <ref/> when it should have been a </ref>. Make sure to preview your changes. Also, you put it in a non-existent parameter Release Live =, so it wasn't going to show up anyway. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Aug 2013 6:43 AM Pacific

Editing requirements Edit

To be honest, I was completely unaware that anons couldn't edit here. Let me do some checking around today about it. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:03, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'll actually be switching that over today. In talking with Fandyllic and others, it seems we may have an influx of spammers and bots, so we're going to do a trial run for a bit of time to see how it goes. We'll have to be extra vigilant about patrolling Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:47, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
It should have already happened. Is it not working? Raylan13@fandom (talk) 22:05, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
Did some checking and something's wrong. I've tossed it over to the tech guys, so hopefully they'll be getting back to me. This is likely something that will have to be fixed next week, unfortunately... unless, of course, someone fixes it without me knowing Grin Raylan13@fandom (talk) 23:10, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Good to know it's been fixed - had to run out the door yesterday before I could get a definite response from anyone. Don't worry about poking me when things aren't moving along Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 22:05, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Modes Edit

Let me look into that tomorrow and get back to you ;) Office is closed today. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:33, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Talked it over with Fandyllic first, since it's a pretty big change. For now it's best to do a trial run; due to some of the complexity with many of the pages there's a greater likelihood for inadvertent breakage. We'll have to keep a close eye on things, but it is enabled now. Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 17:35, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Nomination Edit

Let me run the conversation past Fandyllic Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 03:32, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, you can pop it onto the user page. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:26, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Email Edit

Just wanted to let you know I dropped you an email to the account associated with your username here. Fire me one back to let me know you got it Winky. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 17:30, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Social media Edit

You can absolutely help manage the FB/Twitter accounts - the more hands on those, the better. The Twitter account is obviously password protected, so let me run that by Fandyllic; as for the FB account, go ahead and join (if you haven't already), then send me a message so I can promote you to admin. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:43, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Right here Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 15:53, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Main Page Revamp Edit

Heya Winky I was wondering what you thought of this main page - the slider and/or the layout. I've been looking at our site for some time and thought we might benefit from an overhaul of the main page. I think the above wiki comes closest to what we might need. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:40, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Got a rough going today, which you can find here. Be sure to read through the notes first Winky I set aside a section for discussing everything. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 23:46, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Videos Edit

You seem to be putting videos in a === Videos === section in a == Media == section, which is good. However, you may want to consider putting the videos themselves in a gallery if they are of the File: type, like:


Since it seems to be pretty easy to upload Youtube videos to the File: type, we can use galleries. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 6:01 PM Pacific

Thanks, ok i will try to get it right i recently joined so i didn't know to much about editing.
Also i forgot do you mind if i put my videos first on articles where the video is just direct for example Durotan, my lore lesson is just on the character while your one is about the new horde. —This unsigned comment is by Thazzrill (talkcontribs) 22:03, October 7, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Video formatting Edit

Okay I sent a message to Thazzrill about video formatting. I'd like to make adding them easier and more standardized. This is somewhat new and we didn't really have a guideline before. I'm recommending a size of 400px (width) rather than 335px.

Here's example wikicode:

== Media ==
=== Videos ===
<gallery widths=380px>

Here's how it looks on the Ner'zhul page:

== Media ==
=== Videos ===
<gallery widths=380px>
File:WoW Pro Lore Episode 22 The Birth of the Lich King-0|Tankingmage's video narration with machinima
File:WoW Lore lesson Ner'Zhul|Ner'Zhul lore lesson

--Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2013 7:33 AM Pacific

Okay, I updated the manual of style and changed the recommended width to 380px since 400px seemed to make stuff wrap to the next row. See WoWWiki:Manual_of_Style#Videos. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2013 7:51 AM Pacific

Hey Edit

Yeah it's been a while :P. Won't be very active till all my exams are over though. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 18:42, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Gratz on making Moderator! PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 19:52, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Tankingmage (talk) 21:19, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

I knew it wasn't you. As for the visual editing, I think it will be easier for a lot of people, however I don't like it. And yeah I noticed the new anonymous editing feature, it's interesting. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 21:35, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Badges Edit

The idea has been floated before, and it boils down to people editing for the sole sake of getting those badges, but in non-constructive ways. The consensus here has been that it should be avoided; the admins do have access to some badges they can offer (i.e. Number of edits, experts, etc.) - and it's probably a better system (even if perhaps not as consistent) because then it becomes a less automatic feature and more focused on quality of participation. You can always readdress the issue, though, to see if sentiment has changed any Winky Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:40, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Email Edit

Be sure to check the email associated with your wowwiki account Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 17:32, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Playlist Edit

It is ok if I include your lore-videos in a playlist on youtube?

Yeah sure, just add them in. Thanks Smiley Tankingmage (talk) 02:03, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Please add citations or at least new links to "Warlords of Draenor" Edit

I almost deleted Warlords of Draenor because it lacked any references. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Nov 2013 10:10 PM Pacific

World of Warcraft's subscribers Edit

See User_talk:Fandyllic#World_of_Warcraft.27s_subscribers --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Nov 2013 4:10 PM Pacific

Warlords of Draenor content Edit

Great job on popping the information into place! Could you make a simple indexed list of links nested under the BlizzCon 2013 page? Something like BlizzCon 2013/Features would be great Smiley Raylan13@fandom (talk) 23:14, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Smiley Do you mean listing all the new pages that were created today on Blizzcon2013/Features? Tankingmage (talk) 04:17, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
Message was before I even created the portal. He probably means the initial round you did right before.Celess (talk) 23:20, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Model Viever Edit

How did you download Renault Mograine's official model to modelviever so that you could use it in that lore machinima? I must now as fast as you can tell Assey Westfall (talk) 16:31, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Scarlet Commander Mograine (NPC models) Tankingmage (talk) 17:17, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Panels Edit

IIRC we aren't permitted by Blizzard to post any of the panels' videos on the press sites. I think the most we're allowed to post is about five minutes worth, but there are some additional requirements for even that. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 18:03, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Uhhh... how many did you put up? The easiest thing to do if there's a lot is to go delete the videos first from our video list (so they don't show) and then go back through the pages, assuming you uploaded them here rather than direct linking to youtube. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 18:11, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
You'll have to yank them from youtube as well, fyi. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 18:14, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
Is mostly because 'live stream', panels require a ticket, even now. Can make an edit but hes right, to show good faith needs to be very short and specific.Celess (talk) 18:44, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that's precisely it. The Virtual Ticket is usable for a while after BlizzCon, but posting more than a few short minutes circumvents the whole thing. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:19, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Working Edit

Oh, yes, BlizzCon counted as work. Was running around nonstop on Friday, and Saturday was only a little less hectic. But as far as normal work day goes? I've got anywhere from two to four meetings in a week, then off to work on either creating or helping to build up new or existing gaming wikis. I also run the Kickstarter portal we have, which is fun to go through twice a week. I've got time set aside - barring pressing work - to work on gaming wikis I enjoy, and then one whole shift is set aside for Warcraft work. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:19, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Videos Edit

I think I went through and deleted all instances of the BlizzCon videos - but you really need to remove all of them from your youtube account. Blizzard won't hesitate to issue a cease and desist order; I don't know what kind of bearing that would have on your channel and relationship with youtube, but it looks like you've done a ton of work on other videos and I wouldn't want to see the channel deleted Frowney Raylan13@fandom (talk) 19:31, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

WoL Edit

I'll have to handle the audio stuff, just as a matter of logistics and task requirements set out to me. But if you can go through the panels with a fine tooth comb, that would help immensely. Between the two of us we should be able to knock it out fairly well; you can also use the pics in those panels on the pages, in case you didn't know Winky I assume you got the virtual ticket? Raylan13@fandom (talk) 00:35, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Content Preservation thingy Edit

Moved to my talk. I know, is kinda hippo Winky Celess (talk) 05:16, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

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