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Alignment Edit

Hey, the phrase was Most disturbing of all, what if they aligned with the Lich King? not that they were aligned with the Lich King O_o I bet they are more aligned to the blue dragons and the Dragonblight rather thant to the Scourge (and all the Scourge must to be undead, and vrykuls aren't undead). And, possibly enough, they are enraged with all the ppl who recently invaded their homes at Northrend, and that includes as enemies either Horde, Aliance and Scourge. -- Ravenore, the Necroshadowmancer 21:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where you got that one from, but anyway from the official FAQ: "Utgarde is inhabited by the Vrykul, a Viking-like race bent on proving their strength to the Lich King, who will raise the most worthy of their warriors to serve him beyond the grave"[1]. I'm pretty sure that's equal to saying "The Vrykul serve the Lich King". Do you have any sources for information about any other alliances that these people may have? Silent002 01:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

and all the Scourge must to be undead, and vrykuls aren't undead

Not true! There are the Death Knights, Necromancers, Acolytes, And Dreadlords that aren't undead.But at least half of the world of warcraft users are undead (Come on its pretty hard not to die in your entire time of playing that game) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The last Alterac (talkcontr).

The other guy is right. It isn't true. Because look at the Worgen. The Scourge got a hold of them from rezzing a dead Arugal. And unless I'm mistaken, they're still alive. And to solve your undead problem, they DO have some undead vrykul in the game. I've seen screenshots of them on MMO-Champions. Yrrar, Lord of the Vrykul (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Necromancers Edit

Just a thought but do you think the Vrykul could be necromancers? Necromancers (All that have the real necromancer model such as Gothik the Harvester) have animal bones, big beards, and are slightly bigger than a human, and the Vrykul serve the lich king... it's just a thought but I saw all the similarities and thought it was worth putting here. Cabeza

They've been said to be a barbaric, Viking-like half giant race. Giants aren't particularly adept in -any- kind of magic, so I doubt that Vrykul are Necromantic in any way. --Yaki 21:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well one guy Keleseth is a warlock, so maybe the LK taught them magic. Mr.X8 17:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Mmmm, no, not really. The only magics I dare say they use is a "Runic Magic that even the most experianced wizards find unfamiliar" and druid magics, if a screenshot of a female vrykul druid is any indication. Yrrar, Lord of the Vrykul (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

If by "female vrykul druid" you mean Avatar of Freya, then you're utterly wrong. She's one avatar of Freya, who is a daughter of the titans. User:Gourra/Sig2 13:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I do not. For about the umpteenth time, I found some screenshots on MMO-Champions, one of them was of a female vrykul who looked like a druid, AND it said, "Vrykul Druid". And it was not the Avatar that you speak of. Yrrar, Lord of the Vrykul (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Whitey Edit

Screenshots (Like of the burning forest) and the trailer (@ 2:33) show that they have pale white drakes serving them. What is their deal?--SWM2448 21:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Howling Fjord Burning


NEW INFO! They are refered to as 'protodragons'.--SWM2448 19:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I Think they are plagued dragons, like the Netherwing but Northrend ish and gone all white. --Snorkyorky 18:05 16 September 2007 (GMT)
Where you found this info?--FireMaster 02:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I forget, but it was confirmed.--SWM2448 22:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the name "Proto-Dragon" is pretty self-explanatory. They're probably the dragon species before the titans divided them up into aspects. Toasty McGrath 01:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Half-Giants? Edit

Perhaps half Storm Giant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pwnerpwner (talkcontr).

I prefer to think of it as 'Ooh, giant boulder, you looking very sexy tonight'.--SWM2448 19:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah what other half are they? Half giant and half what, human? Or maybe arthas had a relationship with a giant. Course, that's creepy and I don't Blizzard would put that in WoW Mr.X8 17:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I think they mean half-giants in the sense that they aren't as big as other giants...?
Giant Vampiric Vikings?! They're the worst kind! --Adonzo 01:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

i personally can't imagine giants have a relationship with other than ogres :P humans and giants? neveh --lucifersama 11:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they are half-giants like how there are demi-gods. They aren't really giants, but they aren't really humans like how demi-gods are not really divine but not earthly. Rannulf 02:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

They aren't literally the offspring of humans and giants, you dopes. They just mean they are the middle race between Giant and Human. LordRayken 05:02, 30 November 2008

Or maybe they are just huge humanoids, though not as tall as giants. ~ Nathanyel (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


How are these guys vampiric?Mr.X8 00:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. The game is not freakin' out yet. They drink blood?--SWM2448 00:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

i think they simply mean blood lust, or living on other creatures blood, the kind "i drink ur blood i get ur power" theory. --lucifersama 11:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

A Vampiric Race... Edit

Perhaps a connection to Sargeras? After all, he was defeated in Northrend. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pwnerpwner (talkcontr).

Wouldn't be too surprising, the lore is a bit sketchy on how long it took Aegewyn to move his body from Northrend to a tomb in the middle of the ocean, perhaps some primitive race got too close and became mutated into the Vrykul by residual energy.Xlel 03:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


Why are they listed under half-breeds. I thought the half giant thing was just a rumor.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a rumor if its stated specifically on the official WOTLK site.Baggins 01:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
They are the breed of Giants with who?--IconSmall FireFireMasterIconSmall Pandaren(IconSmall BloodElf2 MaleT-CIconSmall PitLord) 17:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
How can they be half giant when they're one of the original seed races? That would be like saying earthen are half dragon or something. Jormungand01 20:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe the meaning of half giant has been misunderstood in this case. I don't think they're a result of breeding between giants and a humaniod race, but rather an inbetween point the titans created, a missing link between giants and their other creations.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Civilization? Edit

The article states that they once had a "prosperous" civilization, but disappeared mysteriously, and have only recently reappeared. If this is true, during what time period did they prosper? As far as we knew history went: Old Gods-Titans-Dragons-Trolls-Night Elves, then the war of the ancients splits the continents and leads up to human / high elf development and the first war. Xlel 22:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe during the time after the War of the Ancients and sometime in that 10 thousand years their civilization disappeared. Leviathon 01:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
There's no rule that says only one civilsation is allowed to prosper at a time. Jormungand01 20:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Runic Magic? Edit

They practice a runic magic that even the most experienced wizards find unfamiliar.

Perhaps the vrykul will play some role in the acquisition of the Death Knight class, which has its new "rune" system? --MazMedias 13:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think they're talking about runecasting or something similar, which I'm sure someone like one of the archmagi of Dalaran would find alien. --Super Bhaal 17:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Vrykul PicEdit

file:Vrykul old model.jpg A Vrykul, from the trailer on [[2]]. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 11:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)]]

  • Yoink*. Sorry, had to change it round a bit for maximum quality and eye-candy (look, two vrykul!); but otherwise great shot. ;) ---- Battlegroup RoundIconVorbis AvailablequesticonTalk ActivequesticonContribs 17:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

What a rip, they're faces look like some of the human models...  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 02:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a reason to that too. User:Coobra/Sig3 03:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Do you think they'll be considered as Humanoid or Giant? =)))) --SFSig-2009 11:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, they were originally the chosen raced but messed up. So the Titans made humans instead. But still it looks weird to me.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 22:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That Thing on the Felsteed in the WotLK TrailerEdit

Did anyone notice that the figure riding the felsteed (a lock only mount) had a... shield? Wonder why that is.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 22:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Person 1:"Ok, as a warlock you are no longer allowed to use a sheild." (starts to take sheild)
Vrykulman:*growls* /eatface (rides off on new felsteed)
--SWM2448 23:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I've seen several warlock type mobs walking around with shields in the previews.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 00:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Not an offshootEdit

Quest:Anguish of Nifflevar apparently confirms that they are the direct ancestors of mankind, and about fifteen thousand years ago just started giving birth to deformed children, i.e. humans. Interestingly, this makes them contemporaries of the great troll empires, apparently predating night elf civalization.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 20:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Makes a bit more sense that way. Leviathon (talk) 06:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So humans are just a mistake?  Rolandius Wc3Knight (talk - contr) 06:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
One way to look at it :P Leviathon (talk) 06:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
LOL Well, although the Vrykul thought humans as being weak and tried to kill all the infants, somehow they sure prospered. Take that Vrykul.  Rolandius Wc3Knight (talk - contr) 06:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
There's always one within a (race) that will want to keep it's young no matter what. It's possible a few Vrykul left northrend to keep their young. Thus allowing the human race to begin in a new land. On a different note... seems to me from birth Vrykul children are able to walk... User:Coobra/Sig3 20:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if there are any mentions of Vyrkul coming into those new lands from other races? Could they be the Azotha for instance? Yes, the Vrykul children seem more like many animal young, who are able to walk and even run within hours.  Rolandius Wc3Knight (talk - contr) 01:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Coobra is right. One of the quests some Dwarf dude who I belive is an Explorer's League archaelogist (go figure) sends you back in via the Spiritworld (you have to die to do it) and you inspect every house. In one of them you see a vrykul dude is saying they need to destroy the poor little mistake and says if they don't, they'll be killed (what nice parents the vrkul are). The wife pleads with him saying she'll hide him till she can find a better home for him. Maybe that home just happens to be Stranglethorn Vale, home of the Azotha. Though the Azotha's home at the time of their peak was Arathi, which would make a lot more sense if she dropped the baby off there.

Wait I'm sure the moher stayed with her baby and just did put him in a basket and sail him down Lake Nefertiti. I'm sure she stayed with him till she died or he could fend for himself. So that would mean, common must be a corrupted form of whatever the Hell the Vrkul speak. Unless of course they did a sort of penile colony for the humans and they made up their own language.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 20:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course when did the vrkul stop giving birth to human babies? I mean if they started 15,000 years ago and continually gave birth to them, they would breed out the vrkul eventually. Of course I'm sure stupid Ymiron executed anyone that gave birth to them.  IconSmall HighElf Male Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 20:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe that sometimes they still have "deformed" babies, which are killed from birth..... This kind of reminds me of 300... if anyone sees a cliff with many baby bones at the bottom, let us know... User:Coobra/Sig3 21:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Relation with giants? And maybe Iron Dwarves too? Edit

Guys, I have a bit of a funky idea. What if vrykul and/or earthen actually EVOLVED from giants? I know it may be coincidence, but suspiciouslly, some of the titles of the different vrykul in screenshots are also types of giants, ie. Frost/Ice Vrykul/Giant or Sea Vrykul/Giant. Also, there are some screenshots of, "Iron Vrykul" and one of the bosses in Ulduar is apparently one of these, "Iron Vrykul", suggesting some sort of connection with the Iron Dwarves. It's crazy, I know, but at the moment I believe it makes the most sense. Yrrar, Lord of the Vrykul (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

First of all, sticking iron, frost, etc on the front of something doesn't mean they're related, it just means they're made of or use the same thing. Second, fair enough of an idea, I suppose. Third, this is not a forum. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Earthen, Mountain Giants and Sea Giants are known to be the original creations of the titans, and i guess Vrykul and Iron Dwarves may be that too, but those three are for sure. Chaos of Warcraft (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The mention of Earthen, Giants, and Vrykul as distinct "seed races" in the dialogue in Tribunal of Ages pretty much establishes Vrykul as an independent creation of the titans. Vyzen2 (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Vrykul Edit

What are we gonna do with all these other gyes? Check out these links:
Undead Vrykul
Iron Vrykul (Also note, models called "Iron Earthen")
Sea and Pirate Vrykul
Frost Vrykul
Chaos of Warcraft (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


I thought their mount was going to be proto-dragons?  Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 11:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Language Edit

i wonder if these guys can speak giant or Titan Noobi666 (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Relation to Val'kyr Edit

Is there a cite for the Val'kyr being a type of Vrykul? Vyzen2 (talk) 23:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

They... look... like Vrykul? CogHammer Ose talk/3721 16:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Val'kyr: "They are the dwellers of Valkyrion who received the Lich King's 'gift'. Valkyrion Aspirants can be found at Valkyrion [...]" - the mentioned mobs are humanoids with the female Vrykul model, hence Vrykuls.
The completion text of The Echo of Ymiron says "The creatures you saw looked like the vrykul that are attacking Valgarde?" (You see Val'kyr during that quest)
And the description of Off With Their Black Wings explicitly states: "The dwellers of Valkyrion [...] became the Lich King's lapdogs! They call the ones who receive his gift Val'kyr." ~ Nathanyel (talk) 17:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

inspiration Edit

Another (quite likely) source for the relation of vrykul in wow, would probably be "vrykyl", as referenced in the sovereign stone These were the undead bodies of humans slain by prince "king" (lich king?) dangarus trough a vampiric knife (again a reference to the lich king)  - Zurgat talk / cont  10:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it rates a bit of a mention...--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


Following information from the Tribunal of Ages event in Halls of Stone, the disappearance of the Vrykul could be traced to the "stasis" Loken put all the Earthen and Vrykul into after the war he started between the Aesir and Vanir. Regarding alignment: The Vrykul corruption by the Old Gods with the Curse of Flesh may have also brough Yogg-Saron into their belief system as the god of Death, whom both Ingvar in UK and Ymiron in UP call upon. After millenia of hibernation, the Lich King comes across the vrykul as he is strengthening his hold on Northrend after merging with Arthas and poses as their Death God to ensure their loyalty. 3-6-2009, Fidius, manus miseriae

Stone Vrykul Edit

It has been implied around WoWWiki that the Iron vrykul who got zapped by the Curse of Flesh became the modern Vrykul. However, it is implied around the Storm Peaks (but not stated, AFAIK) that the 'Iron races' are new to Azeroth. The only evidence I can find for the Iron guys as part of the Titans' plan is when the Ulduar Lore Keeper of Norgannon says:

" Primary defensive emplacements consist of iron constructs and Storm Beacons, which will generate additional constructs as necessary. Secondary systems consist of orbital defense emplacements. (See the quotes on Flame Leviathan) I doubt he would mention them like that if they were evil.

Now, I think that an unseen 'Stone Vrykul' that got cursed may be the origin of the Vrykul, however, the Uldaman Lore Keeper of Norgannon says:

[The Earthen] are a modification of the standard subterranean being matrix used on other worlds that the Creators have seeded.

To understand the anomalies of the Earthen, it is first important to understand what the Earthen represent in their design intent. The Earthen represent the Creators' attempt at improving the survivability paradigm of the standard subterranean being matrix. This was done by incorporating a resilient foundation of construction inherent to the world into said matrix.

The second resultant variance of the Earthen matrix retains many desired elements when compared to the standard subterranean matrix. The common nomenclature for this variant is "Dwarf".

The dwarf maintains an affinity for the stone composition of Azeroth, but due to the high-stress environmental anomaly within the Earthen's synthesis matrix, the dwarf reverts to a default biomass composition as seen in the standard subterranean matrix.

Now I may be cherry picking, but it seem that whatever has the Earthen's job on other planets is made of flesh and looks like a Dwarf. This shows that the Vrykul may have been flesh (as this says the Titans are willing to make fleshy races that work for them) to start with before Loken locked them away. No need for a missing link. Thoughts?--SWM2448 23:09, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Listen to this man; he speaks of good sense. :) --   03:27, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
More info: Creteus hints the iron dwarves are new, but Gavrock and Kurun say they are old (though perhaps not planned when the titans built things). No timeframe is given for the Urel Stoneheart thing. Vrykul are seen in their flesh form in the Howling Fjord flashbacks. It is still a guess at best.--SWM2448 22:03, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

They (at least the dwarves) are implied to date some indeterminate time before the betrayal by Loken and many NPCs who are new to northrend in the grizzly hills think of them as titan creations with the stone giant's saying nothing to dispel this illusion.SargeLIVES (talk) 02:46, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

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