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According to some questline in Azuremyst Isle, this thing is allied to.. Kael'thas.. O_o --Tinkerer 10:16, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
The line "The shady goblins who run Ratchet are also said to be members of the Venture Company, always "keeping their beady eyes on the bottom line." seems incorrect. I'm fairly certain that Ratchet is part of the Steamweedle Cartel. --Karye August 8, 2007
Its implied in the RPG that the Steamweedle Cartel is a subsidiary of the Venture Company.Baggins 19:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Why, though? I never understood that. They send you to fight Venture Co. guys and if that wasn't weird enough they have no problem with your character sabotaging the company all the time. Seems weird. Alein 17:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ya, there seems to be alot of in-fighting within the company, goblins upset with certain leaders, or trying eliminate their competition and improve their own standing in the group. This is vaguely hinted at in the RPG as well, but not specifically stated. Basically members of the company are just interested in money, greed is their common denominator, and each group within the company doesn't care how they get it, and have their own individual schemes.Baggins 17:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Regardless of the hinting, it is unlikely that Steamwheedle is controlled by the same person as the Venture Co. It is more likely that there are goblins who operate within the Steamwheedle umbrella that work alongside with Venture Co. based soley upon greed. There are many quests, such as stealing a Buzzer Machine (Ratchet Escort), or machinery plans for Buzzer Machines for members of the Steamwheedle faction which suggests that they are not working hand-in-hand as an organization since they are fighting with and stealing from each other. This is "not good for business." Until otherwise stated officially, it should not be stated anywhere that Steamwheedle is run by or is a subsidiary of Venture Co. -ChaseVRocket
- Just in addition to what's already been said on the subject, I'm pretty sure the thing about Ratchet being owned by the Venture Co. is one of the lore mistakes that occasionally sneak into the RPG books due to poor research on the part of the specific writer, such as the line in the WoW RPG corebook saying Thrall killed Grom... Xarantaur (talk) 15:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- I doubt it was a mistake, but perhaps something that was later retconned, or internal changes in history. The information from the original DND Roleplaying game actually predates World of Warcraft, and dates back to the time period of The Frozen Throne's release. It refers to a time period around or just before Daelin Proudmoore's attack on Durotar. World of Warcraft as a source came much later. Even the World of Warcraft Corebook is set just before the events in World of Warcraft.Baggins (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Of course Lands of Mystery plays with the idea that some Venture Company members are scattered some directly cause trouble, others live in Ratchet, etc. It also goes with the idea that the Venture Company would probably soon run foul of the rest of the trade princes, hinting at the events that unfold in WoW itself. In this interpretation Venture Company is treated more like the Grimtotems. In that analogy members can exist in society such as Thunder Bluff (and even be considered citizens & Horde members), but that doesn't stop players from kicking their butts in the MMO.Baggins (talk) 16:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be so sure, Baggins, the WoW Corebook (as opposed to the original WC RPG one) is littered with such mistakes which the writers of the WC RPG admitted to afterwards, that's one of the reasons in latter books that they work much more closely with Metzen now. As for when the RPG books are set, yes I know it's before WoW but events from the Frozen Throne (including Daelin's attack) are referred to in the past tense. Xarantaur (talk) 08:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually I was referring to the original rpg book, the first one released (the one that was co-authored by Jeff Grubb, the author of The Last Guardian). Depending on which page, the book says that Daelin's attack will soon occur (or just occured depending on the pages). Please note Timeline (Dungeons & Dragons Warcraft The Roleplaying Game)Timeline (RPG Books Chronology) Yes, in later books it already happened. However, speculation of the "mistake", "retcon", "not a mistake" are not allowed on the pages. As for the place where editors said they might have or did make mistakes, they also called the page the "unofficial errata". In some cases where the person saying it might be a mistake wasn't actually the person involved with making the "mistake" or was answering to somethign that was thought to be said in the book but actually the book stated something different (the person who complained had paraphrased incorrectly). But regardless of what is listed on that page as a mistake, doesn't automatically make everything in the series a mistake. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. As for how closely they worked with Metzen in the past? Who knows. Metzen was definitely worked with for the entire series and was even an author a few times according to credit pages for every book. How much time he put into each particular book is anyone's guess, and not really worth speculating over.
- In anycase maybe I wasn't clear, but Lands of Mystery actually clarified the information somewhat. It has the trade princes and Gazlowe as the main governers of Ratchet, but still maintained that the Venture Co was involved somehow, at least it being one of their main base of operations. It at least seperates Gazlowe and the trade princes from the Venture Company as seperate entities. It also points out that the Venture Company may soon be targeted by the trade princes (further sepearting the groups from each other). This was the reason why I mentioned the analogy of the "friendly" Grimtotems in Thunder Bluff, and hostile everywhere else.Baggins (talk) 16:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)