In what patch were these introduced? Were they available before 3.2, or only in the PTR? Can players who learned the recipe before still make these machines, or can they now only make Mammoth Cutters directly? The tag template at the top should be adjusted to reflect the answers to these questions. The current Removedfrombeta tag assumes: introduced in PTR for 3.2, current players can not make them. --Hops Splurt (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Was introduced in Wrath, and the tag at the top states it was removed in 3.2 so I don't know what you're talking about. User:Coobra/Sig4 19:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
That's because you don't read the article history. User:Eirik Ratcatcher has kindly adjusted the tag to Removedfromgame, as conforming with the introduction in WotLK. --Hops Splurt (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually I do read the history and he changed it from Removedfrombeta to removedfromgame before you made a post here, you're the one who placed {{removedfrombeta}} on it. User:Coobra/Sig4 21:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Introduced with 3.0.2 (first wrath), removed 3.2.0. The recipe was removed from the game, and substituted with the recipe for Mammoth Cutters. Existing machines were presumably left intact. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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