I glanced at the part of the novel where it's first revealed that Orgrim's father has passed, and it doesn't mention how he died. I haven't read the book too many times, so I may be forgetting another place where it's mentioned, but I added a fact check to confirm that he was specifically killed by an ogre.--Austin P (talk) 15:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I just reread the part where Orgrim mentions his father's death, and he says nothing about him being killed by an ogre, only that he died "bravely and well." Nor is it mentioned when it refers to how his hatred of ogres is personal when they go to diplomacize with them. It says a few times that Durotan's father, Garad, was slain by an ogre, but I couldn't find any references to them being responsible for Telkar's death. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I saw that part, but I wasn't sure if it was mentioned on later in the book. I also noticed that most articles here say that Garad was killed by a gronn, when the book says he died in battle against a group of ogres and a gronn. I fix that when I see it.--Austin P (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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