Miscellaneous
Can we put spoilers in the articles? Because it's been confirmed on WoW site that Anveena is actually the avatar of Sunwell, and that she lives in Quel'thalas by the time Burning Crusade starts - although the story is yet to be told in the comic books --Potbasher 08:53, 12 May 2006 (EDT)
There is 1 thing that puzzles me untill today. Does anybody know where the hell is this sunwell located (or more accurately was located).
It was supposedly in silvermoon, but apparently on the maps of warcraft 3 there is a place called "sunwell grove" on sunstrider isle off the coast of Quel'thalas. HOWEVER, sunstrider isle in wow will not hold it as we know from the info on the burning crussade, which also states that there will be added in a later patch an area that will be called the "sunwell plateau" (the location of the sunwell?), but this all still contradicts the fact that the sunwell was inside silvermoon in warcraft 3... ??????? (unsigned)
- In the WoW Beta, there is a blood elf NPC standing "keeping watch over the Sunwell". He's looking out to sea, northwest-ish I believe. I would assume the Sunwell plateau will be added there, which will make his dialogue make a little more sense.--Aeleas 18:31, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
There used to be an island on the world map above Quel'Thalas at about the same spot where the Sunwell Grove Island was in Warcraft 3, so i would expect that the island (Northeast of Quel'Thalas) will be the location of the Sunwell Plateau and subsiquently, the Sunwell --Gadgetfingers
- I think that's Sunstrider Isle now- the Well was in the middle of Silvermoon.--Ragestorm 13:07, 8 December 2006 (EST)
The "Sunwell Plateau" has been said to be a completely new zone that will be added in a later content patch after release of the initial expansion. No idea if that plan is still in effect though, as many of the old ideas for the expansion have changed since they first announced them. Then there is that character who looks off towards horizon from a beach in expansion while talking about "Sunwell Plateu". Is he on Sunstrider Isle, or in silvermoon looking towards Sunstrider Isle? If the sunwell grove is on Sunstrider Isle, i'm pretty sure then that is supposed to be new location of the "Sunwell Island", though its direction has shifted a bit, from east to the west side of the Quel'thalas peninsula.
To quote Brann Bronzebeard(during his journey there several years before);
The Sunwell Grove lies across a small stretch of ocean, on an island northeast of Silvermoon. I considered constructing a raft to sail across, but Morgin Thundergast warned against it. He said that he had lost three companions to creatures in the grove and he was forced to flee. I contented myself with Morgin's depiction;
"The Sunwell used to be the arcane node that empowered the high elves' magic and sustained their existence. The death knight Arthas defiled the well, using its energies to revive Kel'Thuzad as a lich. Now the grove is scarred and burned, like the rest of htis land of ghosts. Rumors say that the red and green dragonflights have sent agents to the Sunwll to see if it can be reenergized. My companions and I did not see any dragons, however. We ran into terrible creatures - I did not get a good look, just shadows hurling death form the trees. We ran. I was the only one to escape, and I thank the ancestors I did.Template:CiteBaggins 13:17, 8 December 2006 (EST)
- Now I reread over the section about the destruction of the Sunwell in The Sunwell Trilogy, they show it as having been completely obliterated. Nothing left there but an empty crator, and some residual magic apparently. Most of the magic has moved elsewhere. Could it be possible they moved the sunwell to a new location when Anveena went north?Baggins 16:33, 8 December 2006 (EST)
I think the Manga series implies that the whole area including the Sunwell was oblitereated during the battle.--Ragestorm 17:23, 8 December 2006 (EST)
- According to the manga, the Sunwell was destroyed, and everything around it was decimated. What was left of the Sunwell was shaped into a humanoid avatar (Anveena) by Krasus to keep her hidden. After a bit of adventure, Dar'khan captures her and takes her to the Ghostlands. There, she finds out that she's not human and all her memories were a lie, and eventually comes to grips with it. Ultimately, she manifests the energies of the Sunwell and kills Dar'khan; in the process, the energy she emits restores a portion of the Ghostlands, turning it into a beautiful grove, where she now resides, watched over by Kalec and the blood elves that know of it. My guess is that the Sunwell Plateau will be where this new grove, and Anveena, is located, and will probably be the unidentified zone on the western border Ghostlands, flanked by the Eastern and Western Plaguelands. Suzaku 07:04, 6 January 2007 (EST)
I wasn't aware that the third book was even avaliable?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:53, 6 January 2007 (EST)
- A bit of a late reply, but a full summary of the third book can be found on Amazon, check it out. Suzaku 04:03, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Sunwell
Did the High Elves know the dangers of having another mystical fount like the Sunwell about? I'm sure they didn't have any ill intentions considering the elves needed the well to strengthen their own sorcery abilities, the better to protect themselves. But when Illidan did the same before on Mount Hyjal, the Night Elves saw this as an act of treason, why would this be a different case for the High Elves?
TheOneCalledRed--January 20, 2007
- The High elves were mostly of a different opinion. Also, the Sunwell is only one (or two or three max) of the seven vials- the Well of Eternity could only be recreated using all seven. They felt safe enough to use just one or a few of the vials, to stave off their addiction.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:04, 20 January 2007 (EST)
Dar'khan really cause the explosion?
I understand why people would think that, but is that really the case? When reading the 'manga', I got the impression that the explosion was actually caused by Arthas submerging Kel'thuzad's remains while Dar'khan was fighting the magi. Dar'khan, who thought the Sunwell belonged to him, also thought Arthas was helping him attain it - which we know isn't true; Arthas was manipulating him. The way I see it, Dar'khan was totally unaware of Arthas' actions and true motives, and blamed himself for the apparant destruction, and Arthas simply continued to manipulate him. Suzaku 18:36, 19 February 2007 (EST)
Retcon?
From what I gather, literature seems to differ from World of Warcraft lore. So far from what I've gathered, the Sunwell was located in Silvermoon, the Scourge fought their way into silvermoon to defile it, and what screenshots I've seen of it indicate its within a built up area.
But reading the discussion here some manga claims its elsewhere, along with some other WoW hints, whats the deal?, has Blizzard just made a complete mess of their Lore?.
Not to even mention the whole Anveena deal.
Is there any definitive lore source that we can count as solid fact?...--Nurizeko
- The Warcraft Encyclopedia trumps all. It doesn't have an article on the Sunwell yet. Anveena is currently using her powers to hide her location; whether that location is in Silvermoon itself, or elsewhere, is the matter of confusion. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:13, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
- Well actually a "latest source" would always trump the encyclopedia, if encyclopedia never updated itself to be in line to whatever latest source says. Its very possible for any source to become outdated, and get retconned.
- So far from what I've gathered, the Sunwell was located in Silvermoon, the Scourge fought their way into silvermoon to defile it, and what screenshots I've seen of it indicate its within a built up area."
- In warcraft III, and much of the published lore, the Sunwell was on an island north of mainland of Quel-Thalas, although Silvermoon city itself was built on both the mainland and the island (there were bridges to cross to reach the island). Rumor has it that the northern island might still be inserted into the game, as the "Sunwell Plateau", but we do not know for certain what Blizzard will do anyways. The channel between the "southern Quel'thalas" and the "island" may also still be in the game, but now is represented by a river, and lakes rather than being ocean itself.
- Strangely one can still visit older parts of Quel'thalas not represented in instanced part of Quel Thalas, by traveling around northern shores of eastern kingdoms.Baggins 18:58, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
What scorce did you get 'but now is represented by a river, and lakes rather than being ocean itself' from? --SWM2448 19:18, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
- I was looking at the older maps, and current map of quel'thalas. There is a river that cuts "east to west" about the same location that the old "channel" is shown in other maps. There are bridge hat cross this river in several places much like the bridges in the Warcraft III campaign. This is a obervation more than any confirmed info though.Baggins 19:29, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
Look at the river that travels east and west between Ghostlands, and Eversong Woods, it as a watery boundary, that connects to the ocean. It gives Eversong Woods a boundary that is almost 100% surrounded by water. Things have been considered isles for far less, :p... I'm thinking of the number of "islands" in the Sacremento Delta... Although the river is alot skinnier than the channel shown in earlier maps, it still exists in about the same location as the older maps if you put them on top of each other.
There is also a similar river that nearly encircles southern edges of Silvermoon to the ocean to form a kind of "island" of land.Baggins 20:17, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
- You are implying that Eversong Woods is the Sunwell Plateau? Umm... I think the area is going to be patched in as somthing north of Silvermoon. But, with no disrespect, I will take your word for it, being the expert, and respect your theory. --SWM2448 20:28, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
Introduced in Patch 2.2
I don't know the status of patch 2.2 at the moment, but Jeff Kaplan's wording at Blizzcon indicates that the Sunwell will be introduced in the "upcoming patch", meaning 2.2. Although that may well have been a slip of the tongue. --Raze 01:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Provide a source please. --User:Adys/Sig 01:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
That Part
The part about that the hostages in Zul'Aman and souring the world for more High Elves makes no sense. Theres at least 1000 in SW, and 900 in Theramore. Not to mention all the othes in Westfall, Redridge, Allerian Stronghold, etc.
Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 22:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Obviously high elves in major alliance cities aren't going to be easy to get if they are going to be sacrificed (IIRC, Brann hints at sacrifice in part of Lands of Conflict). They'll definitely fight back. Its obvious that Alex doesn't know Brann's population numbers or the number of high elves in general, and he's only recording a rumor he had heard about Alex.Baggins 23:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Wait, wait, wait. The part about Alex recreating the Well is only a rumor?! And they have to be sacrificed? HEs and BEs aren't known for their humility so they're screwed.
Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, its a rumor of a belief by Alexastraza. The rumor predates World of Warcraft's time period so Alleria's Stronghold wouldn't even be figured into it. Remember this was set at a time before the Dark Portal was opened. ...and any other portals like it were sealed (so high elves from Outland were out of the question). Also according to the rumor it was "at least 300" it might require more. Yes as I recall it might involve actual sacrifice, basically the heroes had to find 300 willing or capture 300 unwiling high elves for the ritual, but they all had to be repentent. Another point to note is this was before Blood Elves had retaken Quel'Thalas. The land was more or less abandoned at the time except for a few roving high or blood elves here or there. When blood elves finally did take back the land, high elves more or less were pushed out of the land as far as we know.Baggins 23:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
How come this new ritual requires sacrifice and all these artifacts, when the old one just had Dath pour the Well of Eternity Vial into into like a lake or pit or something?
Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Because the Sunwell had become corrupted by necromantic magic. Its more of a purification ritual. Of course while it may be an alternate way to purify the well, it ultimately wasn't needed, because Anveena apparently was the one to purify what was left of the Sunwell, and fix the land there.Baggins 17:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
That pic
That pic is what the sunwell is supposed to look like? It looks like some sadistic pagan naturey sacrificial font or something. The WCIII looks som much better.
Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 19:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- The Warcraft III one looks like the the dozen or so fountains found at your local mall and/or park.Warthok Talk Contribs 20:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Except it had a cool golden aura ofc :D (Marakanis 17:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC))