priestesses and miltary chaplainsEdit

That description almost sounds benovolent LOLBaggins 01:18, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Thy are like SHivans, aren't they ?--K ) (talk) 02:47, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Since we've seen Succubi called Sayaad, and Pit Lords called Anihilan, it's safe to assume that Shivarra are Shivan. --Ragestorm 18:48, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Shivarra, are Shivarra. Its a race name. According to the holographic emitters.Baggins 12:21, 22 December 2006 (EST)

Shivan/Shivarra Edit

I believe the Shivan were renamed Shivarra, presumably to avoid the direct Hinduistic reference. Merge? --Varghedin (talk · contr) 16:35, 1 January 2007 (EST)

If the term shivan originates from an official source let's wait until release to find out if there is any reference to shivan at all in game, before we do any merging. Otherwise its very unclear, and blizzard has not bothered updating their website to invalidate that information. If the term was originally a fan discription anyways, then just delete it.Baggins 16:39, 1 January 2007 (EST)
The term is official, although the spelling is not. It was mentioned as one of the featured races during the very first BC trailer.. "the wrathguard, fel reavers, and shivan." Personally, I think it sounds more like shivon, but that's beside the point. I guess we have to wait and see regardless. --Varghedin (talk · contr) 16:47, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Ahh, well I supose we could do a merging, if we create a section discussing the term Shivan near the bottom. Only thing is we need to avoid throwing terms such as "retcon" until we know more about the factors surrounding the apparent name change if you know what I mean?Baggins 16:51, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Agreed. Even so, this is only a retcon if they're called Shivan in-game, but are changed to Shivarra. Anything changed before the release is technical, not a retcon.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:27, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Apparently, there's neither anything named 'Shivan' or 'Shivarra' in-game. All the mobs of this type are called things like "Mistress of Doom", "Lady of Pain", etc. Since the emitter in the Vault of Lights still refers to them as 'Shivarra', I'd say Shivan was changed to Shivarra for out-of-game reasons. I'm adding a merge template to Shivarra. --User:Varghedin/Sig 08:26, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Agreed.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:22, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Agreed. Darn, had just changed the text.--K ) (talk) 13:32, 27 January 2007 (EST)
Shivan is the original name given to this mob; in the in-game files, you can see "Shivan.m2" as the base model, nothing else.   Shandris  talk / contribs

If the name floating above them says Shivan, it's fine. In-game files don't mean squat to lore. However the Shivarra hologram is damning evidence. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:04, 29 January 2007 (EST)

The game files also call the Wretched Crack Elves! How's that for non-official?? --User:Varghedin/Sig 02:17, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Since when do trailers count as lore sources? That's been the only mention of the term "shivan."

SIgn your posts, please. Trailers are lore sources when they are the only sources avaliable. It appears that Shivan is now Shivarra.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:15, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Well it looks like Shivan is an official a term in the game, Shivan Assassin up near forge camp wrath. Still no idea what hte difference between Shivan and Shivarra is...

I suppose it could open the question of if Shivarra is "draenei" term and Shivan, the "common" term...Baggins 23:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Or Shivarra the noun and Shivan the adjective. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A little more about the assassin, apparently the shivan is something summoned, and controlled to help defeat a series of demons, ending with a man'ari eredar. Anyone know the quest and story behind it? Maybe it will give greater understanding into the use of the term.Baggins 02:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Dalliah the DoomsayerEdit

Isn't Dalliah the Doomsayer a Shivarra? Should she be included in something like a "Famous Shivarra" section.

Also, there are Fear Whisperers and Wrath Speakers that are also Shivarra at places like Forge Camp: Terror

Offtopic comment Edit

These demons make me glad i'm a rogue..... ;)  - CJ talk / cont  10:51, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

And me glad I'm a cat druid. :-D Especially welcome after killing five thousand or so ogres...--Azaram 07:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The Shivan and Zul'Aman Edit

Not really two things I would draw a line between - except for this.

This is one of Hex Lord Malacrass' speech files (as named by Blizzard). I have no idea what it refers to and have never heard it used in game.

Any ideas?

If he used it it would be da death of us all.--SWM2448 22:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Racial Leader Edit

Saying Mother Sharaz as the racial leader is incorrect I believe. The base of these demons serve the Burning Legion. Mother Sharaz is a member of the Illdari, basicly she serve Illidan and is therefore opposed to the Burning Legion. I don't think she can be the racial leader when shes not on the burning legions side. --Karye 06:05, March 09, 2008 (PST)

I agree. We should delete this part. TheSatyr (talk) 16:05, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
She is the most powerful and has a unique model, but the leader would be Illidan or Kil'jaeden. If they were more united, then she could be speculated to lead all of them.--SWM2448 21:08, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Hindu God correction thing Edit

Hindus do not believe in multiple gods, they are monotheistic. The belief of Devas is much like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of Christianity, multiple faces of the same God. Someone might want to correct that, just wanted to point it out. Xavs42 (talk) 00:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

"The shivarra are inspired, in both form and name, by a number of Hindu deities, the Devas" The sentence itself is vague, whether or not they're faces of God or gods in their own right doesn't matter to the article. Anyway, as I understand it, the Devas are worshipped in and of themselves, as gods, because the universal spirit of which they are extensions cannot be directly worshipped, more of a concept than a god. I could be wrong, but given that there are hundreds if not thousands of Hindu sects, I think it's safe to say that the situation is more more complicated than we need to go into for explaining an artistic choice. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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