This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Raiding for newbies article.

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Behavior Edit

I have to disagree with the Behavior section (if not the forenote). Raids are a great place to get to know people, especially their character (eg, hard working, slacker, leader type, etc). Chat is usually not an issue, since anything pertinent to the discussion is usually said over a voice program of some sort. --Sky 02:49, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Loot Edit

PUG (Pick-Up Group) raids are perhaps your best and worst possibilities of getting any items, for the guild-challenged. If it is a pure pug raid, you are more likely to get an item (albeit with the random /roll going on and the reduced progression if the raid leader is not experienced). If you are mixing it up with a guild or two, or just filling in for a missing guy (guest raiding) your chances are reduced. Be sure the raid leader understands your goals and the group you are raiding with's do not coincide: You aren't part of their organization, and deserve a share of the loot. The enjoyment you get out of pushing a raid's progression is lessened to an extent when you don't know the people you're raiding with, and is not, typically, an acceptable trade-off for missing out on epic loot which is usually distributed only to guild members. --Qii 17:43, 25 January 2007 (EST)

The article is a fest of personal opinion Edit

Ghastly, absolutely ghastly. It reads like a selfish raid leader making an aggressive unproductive speech to noobs. --Tobindax (talk) 06:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This place may not have the most well written articles, but this is particularly bad. Someone please make this article worthy of existing even on this site. Ilenus (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Accurate advice for people who want to raid well Edit

This is mostly good advice for someone who wants to be a good raider, rather than someone who shows up for raids (sometimes), presses the 1 key a lot, and then asks for loot. Around late T5 the latter discovers that raids are forced to leave him out if they want the group to succeed. Hopefully, he is willing and able to adapt to the change.

I'm curious to hear how people specifically disagree with the article. I don't agree with the "raids aren't for socializing" part, but otherwise it's sound advice. --Washirv (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Complicated Edit

Why is raiding so incredibly complicated? I've just reached my first Level 60 and am hugely disappointed to find out it's going to be such a pain with so many steps and such a political process behind it. Why isn't there a "Raid Group Finder" like they have the Dungeon Finder? Wouldn't that make it a lot easier to be able to just go in there and do it without having to join a guild and put up with all that crap? Ricardozara (talk) 07:42, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

As an MMO, they want you to socialize with people, the best way is through guilds, getting with other people that want to accomplish the same goals as you. Raiding is not something meant to be just like a 5-man, you have to know what you're doing for the most part. As for a raid finder tool, Bliz has already stated they'd love to make one and might already be in the works (can't remember if they said that it already was, or just planning on it). One thing you should be aware of.. most raiding players are at level 80 doing new/semi-new content, and players that rely on trade chat to find raids will have a hardish like time finding a group for certain things at that level... probably near impossible at level 60. I wish you luck though. User:Coobra/Sig4 20:53, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

This guide is not suitable for newbies. It contains abbreviations newbies don't understand and it doesn't tell you the basics at all. It doesn't start with how to enter a raid, find a raid, etc. Can you still access old raids? Why cant I, as a new maximum level not enter raids? What is iLevel, etc. It is outdated too, it doesn't mention Cata and MoP. 06:51, November 13, 2013 (UTC)Belle

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