Blood Elves aren't "very non-horde like" race. Horde are outcasts and they united for survival. Why shouldn't Blood Elves be "horde like" race? The Scourge destroyed their Home City? Forsaken joined Horde for fighting against Scourge. Humans rejected Blood Elves and treated them like pigs. Blood Elves accepted Nagas' help just for their thirst for magic. Orcs and Taurens can help them for cure of this thirst. Hordes are not a "stupid, ugly, bad, evil, destroyer" union. They are a union for hope. Because of this, Blood Elves are a perfect race for this union. Please don't be ridicolous. Saying blood elves are "very non-horde like race" is as absurd as saying "Ogres will come to Alliance". Goblins or Pandarens even have a probability, but Ogres are impossible.
- --Conecrusher December 23, 2005
Yes, because the goblins and pandaren are both willing to change their neutrality beliefs at the drop of a hat! =D Blood elves are very non-Hordelike, just as the Forsaken are and the night elves are very non-Alliancelike. Anyway, I have 2 problems with the ogre rumor... How did the Draenor ogres contact the Azeroth ogres, and how did they come up with a settlement where the author says. O_o Oh, and I'm not even gonna get into the speculation section... XD --Kakwakas 16:34, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)
- The Draenor Ogres ARE the Azeroth Ogres. They came over in the Dark Portal, just like the Orcs did. This story is told best by playing Warcraft I, and then Warcraft II. --Xmuskrat 09:25, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)
- I know that, but the ogres on Azeroth have been cut off from the Draenor ogres for quite a long time. No one on Azeroth (including the ogres) really knows for sure what happend on Draenor after the Khadgar the others went through. Unless I'm forgetting something, the Laughing Skull ogres had no way to tell any members of their clan on Azeroth about their incident with the Azeroth heroes. Understand me now? --Kakwakas 19:13, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)
- "A small band of Draenei were led through the Dark Portal by a few unknown leaders with the hopes of finding a new life, and have settled in the Swamp of Sorrows." Taken Directly from the Draenei Wiki. The Draenei got mutated after WC2 when draenei was ripped apart - also when the Laughing Skull Ogres along with some alliance were sealed beyond it. But, somehow some Draenei were able to escape through the dark portal by unknown leaders. Notice it's not draenei leaders. So SOMEONE took some draenei through the portal in between The Blood Elf Campaign of TFT and The end of the UD Campaign. Could have been Illidan, or someone else. Some ogre, or human, or whatever also could have come through at this time. Also, in The Burning Crusade Khadgar returns(In spirit or physically) to tell of the Crusade against life, he may just give a message from the Laughing SKulls to the other ogres at this time too or something. --Zorgoth 28:36, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I was actually just talking to a buddy of mine and he came up with an idea. If the Dark Portal is opened BEFORE The Burning Crusade comes out (it's possible for it to be open but impossible to go through), Khadgar and the gang could come through with some ogres behind them. --Kakwakas 18:50, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I'm a big fan of the Alliance race actually being discovered in-game. Whatever they may be. --Xmuskrat 19:06, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
The fact that the Ogres would free Varian is utterly stupid. If Anduin's father comes back, this one would be demoted from his rank of King, and the Dragon Lady Onyxia/Prestor would be fired because of her incompetence. That would seriously change Onyxia's quest, and too many changes would be involved.--Kirochi 19:19, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Which is a good reason not to go by that speculation section. =p --Kakwakas 19:21, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
Speculation about Ogre Mount: Yeah, they're huge. Kodo for tauren was tough to come up with, so Ogres, who are larger, would be even tought, right? Of course, Blizz could always make a new animal in the Ogre starting area. I thought they'd do something like this, an elephants were my first guess. Today while I was rewatching the trailer of Burning Crusade on the website, it hit me. Watch it yourself. http://worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/ Near the beginning they list agents of the Burning Legion on Draenor, then they talk about the Native inhabitants of Outland. When the pictures of the native creatures are flashing up it shows what looks like a dire elephant equipped with a saddle and all riding equipment. Draenor elephants anyone? --Zorgoth 28:36, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I've thought of a few beasts that would work as ogre mounts... That Draenor elephant is close to my favorite; the wooly mammoths from Northrend. They could import 'em. 8D Other possibilities would be like over-sized boars or bears, or maybe even some sort of basilisk.
- --Kakwakas 21:14, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
- it shows what looks like a dire elephant equipped with a saddle and all riding equipment. With ogres on the next frame, to boot. --Xmuskrat 21:16, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I do! Not only do I like it, I'm the original author of the Ogre Rumor page. If I had it my way, it'd just be an alphabetical list of races, and we'd leave possible/unlikely up to people to decide. ;) Seriously, Ogres are in my top races I think we'll see. I also think they'd make a lot of sense, due to the fact that they are more well known then Draenei and have a direct outland connection. For a long time, they were my #1 choice, and may still be. However, I like fighting for the underdog. --Xmuskrat 21:32, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
- "If I had it my way, it'd just be an alphabetical list of races, and we'd leave possible/unlikely up to people to decide. ;)" It's not only your way, but also mine. And if you did NOW I'd be delighted ...--Kirochi 18:08, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)
Speaking of rumors, there's this one, the Gnoll Rumor...--Charred But Alive
The Laughing Skull Clan Edit
I deleted this part of the Rumor (don't cry, if you really want to put again some fake and unfounded shit on this page please do so by going to the history of the page), because it contains mistakes big enough to delete the whole rumor. However, I will just show that only THIS reason is bad (and sorry for the Ogrephiles in there, but it's the biggest one).
"They survived. Guess who was fighting along side them? That's right, the Laughing Skull Ogres: http://blizzplanet.com/modules.php?action=Content&pa=showpage&pid=284 The heroes are alive in Draenor and I firmly believe the race of ogres who aided them will likewise be alive and well."
For the last time : Laughing Skull Clan is NOT an Ogre Clan. It's an Orcish clan, led by an Ogre though. And they couldn't help the Alliance heroes because they were KILLED and utterly destroyed. That's all.
"So that's my argument: it's all speculation, plain and simple, but this is why I think they could be a possibility.
The horde gets a very non-hordelike race. Why wouldn't the alliance get the same?"
Yes, it's all speculation, and too much thought out to be as simple as the new race has to be.
"Ogres for the alliance.
Elves for the horde."
Oh my god I'm just feeling that I have Freud in front of me trying to put some weird idea in my mind o_O ...
"Metzen's "shock" lives up to its name, Caydiem's hint about the expansion and its races having connections with Outland is also true (regardless of her denial)."
How can you ignore an official denial ? It makes me kinda curious, because I'd like to know what you've smoked last night ...
"So, flame on. We'll probably find out soon enough, but I figured I'd throw my bet down before the curtain raises. ;)"
You'd better throw your brain, sell your WoW account and buy another one (not an account, but a brain). Please try to document yourself a bit more before starting a stupid rumor like that one ...--Kirochi 18:58, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
- First of all... Kiro, there's pointing something out, then there's deleting it, THEN there's being a dick about it. =p
- If you read later on in the article, it SAID that the Laughing Skull clan "has either died out from the wars, sworn itself to Illidan, or broken off into an entirely new faction." I always thought of it as more of a point that ogres COULD and HAVE forged alliances with humans and the like before. Also, if a clan is led by an ogre, who do you think has their way more often? Call me crazy, but I have a feeling that Horde clans during the Second War weren't democratic. =p
- And what's this 'official denial'?
- ...And seriously, don't be a dick.
- --Kakwakas 19:57, 11 Jan 2006 (EST)
- No, I have not been what you call a "dick" or whatever ; I was fairly angry against this undoubtedly false rumor part. A whole rumor about it, it's going to "Possible" and the Pandaren going down, with more positive reasons ! Anticrash even said "Did they pull it out from their ass ?", and Xmuskrat almost apologized for what he didn't write (:P tell me if I'm wrong, Musk). Please pay a look to the Laughing Skull Clan, and then you'll see that there's no doubt that they all died. And please, do not say "who do you think has their way more often?" because that sucks. Mogor's the only Ogre that managed to reach the rank of Orcish Clan Leader. And I always thought that saying "I always thought that ..." doesn't make something real. Please Akwakwak mind that you didn't bring anything else, and don't say that I am a dick because of your personal opinions. Yes, I've been a little bit rude, but I highly think that it was fair. If I ever meet the one who wrote that text, I'll first teach him to not write long rumor texts before having read everything he has to. He must have a stomach instead of a brain because what he thinks are not ideas but stinky crap. (ok, now I can tell you, I apologize for having been so rude, but please try to understand that this rumor accessed it's rank in a very strange way)--Kirochi 09:19, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I was pretty peeved, more at the fact we didn't have a good process and I've been trying to do things the right way. Honestly, we'll all be better off for making process. However, even if a rumor is "debunked", I don't think that means it should be deleted. I think it should stay on a page, and be debunked there. It's not out of site. This is a little corner of the web for rumors. If something's not true via lore or impossible, say it. We definately need to have colors to show researched fact, though. --Xmuskrat 10:05, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yeah, that's pretty damn rude. Its also pretty cocky of you to alienate the author about a debunked rumor. Do you think you're the first one to be mad about a rumor that turned out to be false? You can't blame one person for not knowing every single possible detail about a specific concept. Besides, this is a friggin wiki. The whole purpose of a wiki is to allow everyone to correct errors and input their own knowledge. So please be a responsible wiki user and respect everyone's contributions, regardless of accuracy. We're all here to help out and keep the facts straight. Just don't lose your head about it.
- Also, just because the Laughing Skull rumor has been debunked doesn't mean that the possibility of ogres as a new race is any less plausible. There are several ogre clans out there, any one of which could join teh alliance. I think this is still a Possible concept and shouldn't be treated otherwise. --Anticrash 10:10, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Yeah, Anti. I do think it's okay to place a note about it, or to add some content about why a theory might not work. Remember, as much as we might bump heads from time to time, we are a community here. Like brothers and sisters, we might fight. But in the end, we make up, go to bed, and work together the best we know how. I totally agree with you. Just the fact that the Laughing Clan was a mistake, it doesn't invalidate Ogres at all. It's just somebody made a mistake. That mistake doesn't make it any more or less likely of being selected, and is easily one of the top suggestions I see floating around the net. --Xmuskrat 10:21, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I'm still confused. Is the Laughing Skull section debunked because they were in the Horde? I'm also still wondering what the 'official denial' is... Oh, and I didn't call you a dick because your view on this subject differs from mine. I called you a dick because you directly insulted whoever typed that rumor. It doesn't even matter if what someone says is 100% false. You shouldn't try to belittle them for it. I've had a conversation with a guy who swore to hell and back that pandaren didn't start as an April Fools rumor, even after I showed him the original WC3 page, and I never insulted him for it. It's not like it's difficult not to. --Kakwakas 17:47, 12 Jan 2006 (EST)
- How about we slow down and discuss the issue. Exactly why does the Laughing Skull Clan support Ogres being in the game as the Alliance race? --Xmuskrat 08:49, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)
- It would show that ogres would be willing to ally with humans under certain conditions. Yes, there are many orcs in the clan, but how would that stop the clan's leader? Hell, you can put it back in as a Horde clan from shortly after the 2nd war that was led by an ogre and it wouldn't bother me. --Kakwakas 16:47, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)
- Maybe it's something we should all discuss then, because it's been nothing short of frustrating trying to get everybodies comments together and coming up with a single word everybody agrees on for how people FEEL. --Xmuskrat 19:11, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)
Ogre racial mount Edit
I think it is clear by now that Draenei are the Alliance equivalent to the Horde's Tauren. If Ogres are ever implemented as a player race, they will obviously go Horde. Now, it is certainly a requirement that all player races have a racial mount.So I nominate the Clefthoof for Ogres. First, there are plenty in Nagrand, where many Ogres live. Secondly, there are tame Clefthoof with saddles in Mok'Nathal Village, and it's very possible Rexxar would help get these beasts over to Azeroth for Ogres to ride. I think it's by far the most suitable mount for Ogres.