Talk:Light

What? The Church of the Holy Light has no churches?

-I don't think it was ever stated explicitly that they flat out don't go to church, so I removed that. I know it's more involved in practice than worship though, and the churches are kind of like libraries. -Kinst 22:01, 13 Nov 2005 (EST)

Dosen't Make Sense

Out of curosity, how can the Allaince Paladins, who follow and worship the Holy Light, use said powers against mambers of the Scarlet Crusade who also weild such power? I mean, sure, it may be a gameplay quirk but, there's also the fact both the Alliance and the Scarlet Crusade want to kill the Forsaken, yet the Forsaken preists are also capable of useing the holy light. Has the Holy Light changed from a benevolent being, as it was implied to be in earlier titles, to nothing more then a power that can be tapped, like arcane? Hordesupporter 20:34, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Forsaken priests worship the Shadow. Their healing ability comes from knowledge. Troll priest abilities comes from tradition and ancestors (check the low level priest quests). As for Scarlet Crusade, they don't go against the Alliance or Argent Dawn, they have emissaries in a few Alliance towns and Light's Hope Chapel. They are just mislead and go around nab nonbelievers who venture into their territories. --Voidvector 21:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

According to lore in a short story in HPG, and other articles in the same book, Forsaken are not capable of using the Holy Light, being undead. Instead, many have twisted what they originally knew into a belief known as the Forgotten Shadow. Forsaken's ability to use "light" based spells in game is merely a game mechanic, to make priests from various races equal for the most part (except for the racial spells).Baggins 12:21, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Someone said the Scarlet Crusade dudes nab non beleivers. I thought they were posessed by demons so thats why theyre crazy. Or is that just the SM dudes? (Mr.X8 20:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC))

No, no, no. They are basically fine, just mislead. The only one who is "possessed" is the main leader, who is actully Balnazzar. Acjpb 00:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

So, how did "it all start"?

Has it actually been explained how the people of Azeroth started to rever the Holy Light? To my knowledge, no. I personally belive that the Naaru (although without actually explaining what the Naaru are) appeared in visions to one person in Azeroth (think about Moses). This person became the first follower of the Light in Azeroth, who in turn started to spread what the Naaru had told him/her; the word of the Holy Light. Of course, this is just my humble theory :S. Regards, --Theron the Just 01:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

That is a very good theory. It highly influences changes to my theory. I believe that a god-like being, possibily a titan, came to someone lke Alonsus Faol, and he spread the word. I think this person might've freed the humans out of tyranny or guide them. And I think the naaru are like angels that helped him achieve the word of the god. This could explain the old thinking of the light as a God. I hope, for the sake of my theory, that the god reappears to the church so it can rekindle it's old ideas. Acjpb 17:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Refernce To Real World

From What I gather, the Holy Light's organization is very similar to the Catholic and Orthodox churches. You know, the cathedral, bishops and archbishops. The Scarlet Crusade, the abbeys. The sybmol of the light which look like a stick with a two half circles on it is very similar to a crusifix. Can anyone point out more references? Acjpb 00:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

the organization of the church resembles the Catholic Church but the teachings heavily resemble Judaism User:Dunnsworth

Three Virtues

Three virtues are part of the Church of Holy Light, not holy light in general. Holy light belief system for the draenei is a bit different. Also there is no reason to have redundant information in more than one article. In anycase you can go to any article that discusses the three virtues and is always about the discussion of the culture of "Church of Holy Light" as far as I know, human, dwarves and high elf organizationTemplate:Cite, at least in World of Warcraft RPG and up.

It predates any knowledge of the drainei interpretations of the holy light. Its misleading to think that Azeroth cultural beliefs apply exactly the same to the draenei belief systems as established in the The Burning Crusade. That info fits better under more specific banner of the Church of the Holy Light. Infact the Alliance Player's Guide and Horde Player's Guide specifically states the three virtues are part of the Church of Light belief system.Baggins 23:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Which might be the reason for my mentioning of the "as revered by the Azerothian worshippers"-part, in case you didn't notice it before reversing the edit. Also note that no Draenei ever talks about the Holy Light, they simply talk about the Light. The Holy Light seems to be the name for the human Light-based philosophy.

Also, when someone wants to look up the "Three Virtues of the Holy Light", in my opinion it would be logical to look in the Holy Light article first. But maybe my logic indeed is flawed, as you already implied in the Scarlet Crusade discussion.

Whatever. But just go ahead. Apparently it's your wiki, and I've gotten somewhat tired of my contributions constantly and unrespectfully being reversed or deleted by you without even the slightest attempt to discuss things first. --Tulon 19:45, 22 November 2007

Actually humans call it the "light" too, perhaps a move to just "light"? As for discussion what do you think this is? Also don't take it personal, when I moved things around it had nothing to do with you, it was just a clean up to merge certain details that fit better in another article then it did this one. Church of Light and Cult of the Forgotten Shadow mirror each other, and therefore the articles fit better mirroring each other as well.Baggins 19:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Tulon, please don't mistake people editing similar articles being the same as tracking that person's edits. In any case, as for the article title, yes, it could make sense to move this to "Light" if that is the more general term. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)