Talk:Garrosh Hellscream

Clarify

Could someone clarify that last sentence: "not similar to his father from this side..." What does that mean?--Ragestorm 22:43, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

At the end of the article, where it says "Greatmother may be Garrosh's mother"... This is false. Greatmother is actually the Grandmother of Thrall, although it is not apparent on which side. Chaztheweird 12:05, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

I think it's fairly well-established that Geyah is Garad's widow (making her Thrall's paternal grandmother).
User:QitelRemel/Sig 12:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll change it in that case... I wonder how will Thrall react to knowing. And the last sentence is supposed to mean that Garrosh doesn't have a similar personality to Grom's... I'll change that as well =D --Tysar 04:25, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

"Orc Clan leaders are refered to as Chieftains, while the leader of all Clans is called a Warchief" Think we should change the part about Grom, since he wasn't the Warchief but the Chieftain of the Warsong Clan

"The Drained Chieftain"

Citation? we don't randomly make up titles for a sense of drama. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well he certainly does look like he's drained of all hope.At least before Thrall came to Draenor he seemed like the most incompetent leader in the history of orcs.......I like Jorin Deadeye better(Andy91)

Unless there is a citation, it shalt not entereth the article.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

It also would make no sense in the continuity, since he isn't drained at the end of the Burning Crusade .User:Kirkburn/Sig3 02:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

No need to shout Ragestorm i didn't include it in the article....shees(Andy91)

I'm not shouting. Shouting is done in all caps. Italics denote an ominous tone. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Rage, I'm Italic don't exploit me, pls! :P --N'Nanz 15:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I expanded the initial section a bit, to make clearer the psychological things going on with Garrosh when we first meet him in Nagrand. It's a great storyline and I wanted to make sure people get a good sense of what's going on. --Benefice2 (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Change in Wrath of the lich king

How'd he go from a depressed and passive character to a brave/crazy orc whose savage tactics shock even Saurfang? Zarnks (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

After a long questline he finds out that his father was a hero, and since he was depressed because he thought Grom was evil and doomed the orcs that cures him. -Don Quijote (Talk) 04:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Future Warcheif

yep, he most likely will be the future Warcheif, provided Blizzard makes a big battle in Northrend that Garrosh leades the Horde and is a hero, but doesnt die like his father!--Sig:User: Maelstrong 17:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Oh that could be a good poll, who do u think will be the future Warchief.

Blizzard hasn't shown any sign of killing off Thrall yet, and he clearly has a large role to play in the events in Northrend.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I know i'm just saying that Garrosh Hellscream can defeat THrall in a Duel showing that Garrosh could kill Thrall and assume postion as Warchief, but this is only likely if the new horde has the same politics of choosing a Warchief as the Old Horde.--Sig:User: Maelstrong 18:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we at the least put it down as Speculation?--Sig:User: Maelstrong 18:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather not, in this case. Speculation should be well-supported and have a purpose (this one is well-supported to an extent, but is not that purposeful given that Thrall's death isn't imminent), and should preferably not need to take up more than a few lines. We're still in the midst of an extreme speculation cutback.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok well while were still fresh on this topic, i'd like to make a Fanfiction page, how do i do that?--Sig:User: Maelstrong 19:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Just put it under your user page, like, WWW.WoWWiki.com/User:Maelstrong/How Garrosh Became Warchief, or something like that. Or go to the Warcraft Fanon Wiki (Warcraftfanon.wikia.com). Xavius, the Satyr Lord 19:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to throw in my two cents, but I don't think that just because someone can kill Thrall, that means that they're fit to be Warchief (or will become Warchief at all, for that matter).

I mean, all the orcs, tauren, and trolls would probably go ballistic over Garrosh killing Thrall. They'd most likely just hang Garrosh for treason, rather then letting him be Warchief. After all, the Horde isn't nearly as barbaric as it was during the First and Second Wars.

Not to mention, anyone who becomes a big leader needs good leadership skills. Garrosh doesn't necessarily have good leadership skills, as the first time he was the leader (when he was chieftan of the Mag'har), he pretty much flunked his duties in favor of just sitting around all day being emo, and the second time (leading the Warsong Offensive), he's a bloodthirsty berserker who cares for nothing but battle.

Like I said, just my two cents. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 04:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

New information came out involving Cataclysm. Blizzard has stated that Garrosh is now the new Warchief, has redesigned Orgrimmar, and has kicked the Trolls out(of at least the city.) saying that only Orcs and Tauren are strong enough to defend it. Rallas (talk) 00:06, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Thrall vs Orgim/ Thrall vs Garrosh

hey i'm bringing up the whole possiblty that Garrosh Hellscream is fitted to be warchief. I was just reading Lord of the Clans and theres a similarity to Thralls duel with Orgrim and Garrosh. Well first off Thrall lost both duels, so Garrosh actually defeated thrall pretty well. So if someone wants to add in there that those two duels are similar events then that would be awesome-- Maelstrong 02:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but WoWwiki articles are no place to present a whole lot of theorycraft, even moreso because of how this particular subject will lead to nothing conclusive or constructive.Warthok Talk Contribs 04:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thrall won the duel with Orgrim. And he didn't lose to Garrosh, either. Just look at the comics. They were fighting hand to hand (no shamanism) until Saurfang came in and said the Lich King was attacking, then Thrall knocked Garrosh on his ass and one-shot a necropolis.Skreeran (talk) 20:09, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty clear, I think, that Blizzard is setting up a leadership conflict between Garrosh and Thrall. There is, of course, the world event that preceded the launch of Wrath, in which Thrall promises an end to his fight with Garrosh. And now we have the official Blizzard Ulduar promo video, which shows Garrosh being insubordinate (again) and insulting toward Thrall. This is conjecture, so I don't think it should be put on the main Garrosh page, but certainly as we discuss the character, these events appear to be fleshing out his story arc very clearly. What this will lead to... who knows? Garrosh is a jerk, though, so I hope he eventually gets the whooping he has coming. Knowing Blizzard, he'll probably be given a chance to redeem his bloodline. ;) --Benefice2 (talk) 18:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Lot's of Thrall vs. Grom conflict implications are in the trailer to Patch 3.1, and it looks like Garrosh is becoming increasingly arrogant and untrustworthy. Eman91 16:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Eman91

some new pics

someone wanna add these new pics to the page? I would but.... it would look bad lol!--Maelstrong 14:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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Warchief of the Horde

I'd like to see another source for this information (as it was first datamined). I don't believe a wow.com link is enough.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 14:22, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

WoW.com doesn't say he is WarChief of the Horde, and neither does the article. WoW.com is posting information from a PC Gamer UK preview.

From the WoW.com article: "PC Gamer UK was lucky enough to get the chance to grill Blizzard about the upcoming Cataclsym expansion, and they came away with quite a bit of new information, which is available in their latest issue, as well as as in the PC Gamer Podcast." --WarlockSoL (talk) 14:24, October 6, 2009 (UTC)