Talk: Draenei

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Spelling of draenei [READ ME]

Ach, we need an official position on this ... Blizzard spell draenei without a capital letter, and I feel we should do the same. Agreed? -- Kirkburn 15:26, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

race Name a person's race only when it is relevant. [1] I believe however, that we should adopt the lowercase, not for just draenei, but all the other ones too. I think "H"igh "E"lves and Blood Elves are the current offenders. Night elves, dwarves and all the other races currently use the lower case form. Pzychotix 01:11, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

We've been over this time and again. Adopting the lowercase is fine, as that's how the information appears on the site. However we have to be careful about editing articles. As Pzychotix demonstrated, we still need to capitalize in certain circumstances, so I don't want anyone trying to find and replace- we'll have to do it the old fashioned way. It would be good if we can get an official quote on this. --Ragestorm 12:15, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Mostly this was jst checking, as someone did find replace on 'draenei' and changed it to 'Draenei', Rahskala in fact. I'll see what I can do about reverting it :) -- Kirkburn 18:21, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

I made the change to the capitalization in the article because it seemed right to me, but if others feel differently (and it seems they do), then so be it. --Rahskala 18:34, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Blizzard feel differently - we should take their word exactly. -- Kirkburn 08:46, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Draenei

Man Eye and Ma Nye don't match, nor do Dran-Eye and Drah-Nye. We've got three different ways of saying it from Blizzard people. It's all about a if it's a long A or not, and if the last syllable has the N sound in it, or if it's the end of the first.

• Scott Mercer, one of the lead designers at Blizzard, pronouces it drah-NIGH. (rhymes with 'spa fry') [2]
• CM Tseric claims it is DRAY-neye. (rhymes with 'clay knee') [3]
• Lead designer Tigole says it a third way: dran-IGH. (rhymes with "man eye") [4]

The big question is--

First syllable: Draw, Dray or Dran?

Second syllable: Knee, Nigh, or Eye?

Draw-Knee? Dray-Knee? Draw-Nigh? Dray-Nigh? Dran-Eye?

--Xmuskrat 14:43, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Mercer's pronunciation doesn't sound anything like the a in spa to me, just a standard unaccented short a (as in man) that's sometimes closer to a schwa (as in banal). "Man eye" is provided simply as a "rhymes with", so it shouldn't be taken as an absolute phoentic representation. The n is going to be part of the second syllable (as in anode, banal, manor, Brunei) unless a stop is inserted in the middle of the word, which I don't think anyone is advocating as it would be quite awkward.

As for Teseric's post, I think the intent was that "neye" would pronounced as as to rhyme with "eye". I don't think the thread was proposing it would rhyme with "knee".--Aeleas 15:38, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

As a matter of fact, the French pronounciation is the following : Druh-ay-nay (proper French spelling : Draeneï)--Kirochi 15:48, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

In-game in TFT, Kael pronounces it "Draa-NIGH"--Ragestorm 16:38, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

The War3 pronunciation is quite distinctly dra-'nI, while Mercer's tends more towards dr&'nI, using theM-W pronunciation guide.--Aeleas 17:46, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Actually, listening to the War3 pronunciation again, the emphasis is on the first syllable: 'dra-nI.--Aeleas 11:00, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

I pronounce it "Dray-nye", Dray like rhyming with "Clay" or "Day", and nye as in Bill Nye the Science Guy. --Darkfox190 03:38, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

I say "Dray-IN-eye" where in and eye are prononced as normal. It has 3 syllables. YOu say potahto, I say potato... Charred But Alive 11:34, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

Racials

• Blessing of the Naaru - heals the target of 50 damage over 15 sec
• Gemcutting - Jewelcrafting skill increased by 15
• Inspiring Presence - Increases chance to hit with spells by 1% for all party members within 30 yards
• Shadow Resistance - increased by 10

I can't verify these yet, but I'm working on it... --Xmuskrat 15:10, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Wow Video seems to back this up. source --Xmuskrat 16:54, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Draenei Mount

Draenei mount concept art: http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=58&pos=37

This is unconfirmed by blizzard at this time. --Aldaris

Comments

Do the folk at Blizzard think we don't pay attention to the stories they attach to their pretty graphics? Well some of us do. And some (or, me, anyway) notice the massive inconsistencies presented by the new "Draenei" race. To spare the rant, it's almost insulting. And it's almost enough to make me not even want to bother buying the expansion set. As I understand it, all we'd need the extra disc for is the new races and new profession, right? I'll keep my money then, in that case, as I find I don't really have any interest in any of it. Every little derivative, lamely-explicated thing they tack onto the Warcraft universe just gets less and less tolerable, especially as things get brought in with painfully irreverent disregard for the consistency of the world they're trying to create. Oh well. ... As long as it sells product I'm sure Blizzard's fine with the tradeoff. --Shpantzen! 01:15, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

• • Nope, they hate us. They really really need to address the lore issues. It's not just lore geeks like us that noticed. I let a friend whose never read a lick of lore read the first chapter of the lore and the new BC page. They immediately gave a WTF and why? They screwed up the entire story of the betrayal with this. We really need a half way decent explanation from blizz. --Elfey

I wonder why the orcs stranded on Draenor (you know, the ones who went on to serve Magtheridon) didn't similarly mutate so as to be unrecognizable. --Illidan Rocks 04:02, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

Look up screenshots of Hellfire. You'll find a picture of an orc, red, and with spikes on it. It seems to be a mutation of the Fel Orcs due to the demons. --Haddon 23:43, 23 May 2006 (EDT) "As I understand it, all we'd need the extra disc for is the new races and new profession, right?"

No it included all new content including all new lands, and outland. without the disk you don't get to to those places.Baggins 01:31, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Different biology?

--Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 07:37, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

Maybe. If so it's lucky for them. I also wonder if the Draenei are even interested in reproducing now, since they must be kinda unattractive to one another (can you imagine if you and your significant other changed forms one day and looked like that?). --Illidan Rocks 21:25, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

Think about the poor orcs ! Their wives ain't so cute too ;) Talking about the Draenei, I wonder where will be their capital. It seems that the most probable is Northern Kalimdor, next to Darnassus (an Alliance capital, because Blood Elves' will be at Quel'Thalas, very close to Undercity (a Horde City) ; so the Draenei would start very close to Durotar (and now they hate Orcs, as I would say in french, "ça promet des bonnes bastons", or so prepare for fighting xD). Otherwise, I'm very upset because I was an Ardent defender of Pandarens and the Draenei are annoying me !

--Kirochi 14:00, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)

Their wives ain't so cute too ;)

The manual and website don't tell you this, but one of the orcs' racial traits is: "Beer Goggles." :p Seriously though, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, and I remember an orc grunt saying something in one of the missions in Warcraft III like "at least (the quillboars) aren't as ugly as the humans!" They consider each other beautiful and that's what counts.

It's unfortunate that the Draenei would pull a Daelin and all go on a crusade to destroy orcs, but if there was ever an understandable reason for prejudice the Draenei have it. They are all old, and they all remember what the savage Horde did: the brutal slaughter of their people, almost to extinction. The survivors were forced to hide among the orcs for decades after that and watch their barbaric behaviour without being able to do anything. These Draenei have been hungry for revenge most of their lives, and on top of that they have never met a single orc who behaved honorably!

As for Pandarens, don't give up hope; Chen or another one might be added to the game one of these days, and an NPC is better than nothing. Chen's kegs are already in the game, after all.--Illidan Rocks 13:37, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)

Oh really ? Where are they ? From where do they hail ? I WANNA MEET THEM (of course for diplomatic reasons ... exchanging beers ^^') Go on for the Philosopher's Stout ! K) --Kirochi 14:51, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Chen's Empty Keg is a Horde quest in the Barrens ^---^ http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=958 --Rawtoast 14:33, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

I think found out something about the capital city, Exodar from watching the E3 intro movie the second. The building they showe, which is the same in Draenei pic was smoking a little. I believe that the captial is actually the Dimensional Ship they came in. --Technoshaman 14 Jul 2006 (EST)

I think Metzen (or some such similar person) informed us of that at some point. Unless I'm very much mistaken, it's been posted on the Exodar page, or one of the ones related to the ship. --Ragestorm 15:22, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Dranei Rumor Merge

Since we have an entire article on the Draenei Rumor in addition to the Rumored Races page, I think we can just link to that from this article, rather than reproducing all the arguments in a third place here. Where possible, it's nice to keep speculation to a separate article.--Aeleas 12:37, 16 April 2006 (EDT)

Nike : Just do it ;-) Good idea--Kirochi 13:50, 17 April 2006 (EDT)

Done. --Aeleas 20:47, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

Source of Corruption and Madness

Is there a source that clarifies how the draenei were mutated, and the Lost Ones driven mad? According to Magtoor, they were driven mad by the crossing to Azeroth. Caydiem stated it was the portal travels that mutated them as well, though obviously this wouldn't explain the Broken. What's the source for statement that the draenei are bound to Draenor in some special way?--Aeleas 20:47, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

For that one Draenei kind I do agree : I think the Broken look the way they do because of Outland's collapse.--Kirochi 04:55, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

The dimensional gateways emitted their own form of radiation, and when the planet was pulled apart, the energies of the Nether were added to the mix; those combined mutated the Broken, and explains why they look more like Draenei than the Lost Ones. --Ragestorm 06:56, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Chances are, as I see it, there were 2 different societies of Draenei, apart from the Eredar. When they split, and made it to Draenor, they lived there for a long time, and some eventually broke off, much like the different species of trolls, and began to practice a seperate religion, and have a different culture. The first group stayed true to the Naaru, remaining priests, paladins and the like, worshipping The Light, as it were. The second group began to practice shamanism, stealth, and cunning. These 2 societies were the same species, but 2 different "sects". When Draenor was destroyed, it warped the shamanistic culture, who became attached to the land, unlike the Naaru group. --Haddon 23:47, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Mutations and Beauty

Most Demonic corruption takes place as much in the mind as it does the body and soul. In the Fictions I've read when someone becomes mutated they percieve their new form as more perfect and beautiful. They still see beauty in how their race normally looks but they found a new beauty in their new enhanced form. so anything from non-corrupted to very corrupted beings of the same race seems appealing.

to whomever wrote the above, I have three things to say: A) what sort of bearing does this have on ANYTHING? 2) What do you mean by Fictions? Fan Fictions? since when should they be regarded as relevant to the canon? and Zed) again, what does thi have to do with anything? --Ragestorm 16:52, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Also, in the Racial Offshoots and Factions section, it is mentioned that the Draenai have cloven hooves and walk digitigrade like a cat. This is incorrect. The term for walking on hooves is unguligrade. As per wikipedia: "Unguligrade animals (termed ungulates) are those which walk on the tips of their toes, typically on hooves. Examples include horses, deer, antelope, goats, and sheep. This enables them to extend their stride length and so move faster. By contrast digitigrades walk with most of the length of their digits, while plantigrades place the full length of their feet on the ground in each stride.[5]" --Trev81 04:13, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

I think Illidan Rocks wrote this, he often said this to defend Illidan ^^--Kirochi 17:41, 19 June 2006 (EDT)

Illidan Rocks couldn't have written that; he hasn't posted here since december. --Ragestorm 08:30, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Well, then if we really want to know who wrote this we're gonna have to delve deep in this page's history ... Unless someone knows the responsible.--Kirochi 14:26, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Lost Ones Section

It may need some alterations in light that we know know that Dreanor is not the Draenei's original homeworld. Anyone up for the task?Baggins 16:51, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

I wonder what the Orcs called Draenor before the Draenei arrived, and why they refer to it as Draneor now. --Xmuskrat 16:53, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Maybe it was, "Orcland", and "Outland" is a corruption of that original name, ;).

All joking aside

Maybe they didn't have a name for their world?

Come to think of it not everyone on earth calls our world earth, its had several names, Earth, Terra, Geb(by the egyptians IIRC), the Island, and I think some cultures didn't have any names for it as I recallBaggins 17:01, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Something else I noticed, "Lost One" draenei in other sources were said to have come to azeroth after the destruction of Draenor(thus one of the reasons why they have the mutated look), not during the Orcish invasion. Maybe some citation is in order? I'll work on it from what I know, but if someone can link to where it says draenei came through during the initial orcish invasion, that would be handy as well. I can't remember all the details from the quests surrounding them since its been a while since I did any quests there.Baggins 10:40, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Crest/Naaru

I know it's a bit "out there' for a crest, but how is it one of the Naaru? --Ragestorm 19:58, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

While it may look like there is a picture of some kind of creature in the crest, we don't know that it is one specifically, nor do we know that it is a pictograph depicting a Naaru. ...or has something been announced that we have missed?-Baggins 20:01, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

I'm starting to get pissed at people who randomly change information on this wiki without even justifying what they do. I'll knock this back to Draenei crest again until such evidence arises.--Kirochi 23:41, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks Baggins for having found the picture's name. I'll change it back to naaru, and sorry to everbody.--Kirochi 08:24, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Draenei Shamans, Night Elf Paladins, Blood Elf Paladins

During one of the videos the reporter asks if rumors of Draenei being able to get Shamans, and Blood and/or Night Elves being able to get Paladins had truth to it. The programmer says he knows of the idea, but he's not allowed to comment on it. I don't know but the "no comment" seems suspicious, couldn't have just said, "No its not true". Because a "No comment" in this situtaion seems to say, yes there is some truth to it but we can't say anything yet...Baggins 10:26, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

However, Chris Metzen in the NYT interview pretty much shot down Alliance shamans directly. My guess was that Mercer just didn't want to talk about the issue, haven already been pressed into saying a few things he probably shouldn't have on that same interview. --Xmuskrat 10:43, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Maybe not Alliance Shamans(and therefore no blood elf paladins, or horde would have an imbalance over alliance) but that still leaves possibility of possibly night elf paladins I guess(unless the interviewer was mixing up Night and Blood names)...Baggins 11:05, 13 May 2006 (EDT)

Night Elves paladins would be rather hard to explain in any logical way as they have no conections with Holy Light in thier history. They do have priests, but they pray to Elune, not the Holy Light and thus can't be paladins. From balance point of view - BC is going to give Alliance 3 paladin races, while Horde had 3 shaman races from start, i don't see why they would want to give Alliance 4 paladin races, while still leaving Horde with 3 shaman races (becose there is no way Forsaken or Blood Elves can be shamans). --Nea 09:04, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Wow, just wow. After reading the news that they are going to allow Draenei to roll shamans and blood elves to roll paladins I was quite in shock. However, after thinking it over, having that blessing of might AND windfury totem on my warrior might be quite superior in pvp :). Seems like they want to bring differences between factions in class skills (it was already mentioned few times, that every class/race combo will have it's own unique skills like priests do). On a side note, a BE paladin is actually going to utilize the power of mana tap + arcane torrent, as paladin's fight are rather long (and u need 1 minute to cast 3 mana taps).--Nea 17:24, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Guess I was right again, the no comment, was actually pretty much a admittence to truth... As it is now confirmed there will be blood elf paladins, and draenei shamans...Baggins 19:09, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

What I really want to know is, can the Draenei still be Paladins? It would seem odd that they could be Paladins and Shamans, but there isn't really a way they can't be paladins.--Ragestorm 07:15, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Aye, at this time, they can still be paladins as well.([6]). --Maenos 15:51, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

I can't stop laughting about people on forums, crying that it destroys lore. What about alliance warlocks? Tauren druids? Undead priests? Hell, even gnome warriors?! Draenei shamans and Blood Elves are fine... And now, as shaman and paladin is nothing more then any other class, there is no reason why Draenei couldn't have both. --Nea 06:46, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Agreed. Anyway, Blizzard thoughtfully provided a lore explaination for both of them, explainations which work for both sides (though this definetly pushes the Blood Elves to a more "evil" category). They even created two new characters to do it. --Ragestorm 06:55, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

I'll just say one thing : told ya (-; --Kirochi 07:58, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Draenei are hypocrites

Lengthy section moved to Talk: Draenei/Lore, to conserve space on this page. All "combatants" in the discussion may continue at their leisure on the new page.

Starting Zone Location

Are we absolutely sure where their starting zone is? I've heard it described as both "off the northeast coast of Kalimdor" and "between Teldrassil and Darkshore," which are opposing locations. The article currently takes the latter view, which I have heard reported by several reputable news and gaming news sources. However, the citation next to it points to the official website, which acutally states that the starting zone is off the northeastern coast of Kalimdor. (Which I have also heard, though from a smaller number of places.)

I realize the answer may simply be that no one knows for sure at this point given the differring information given by Blizz themselves and the journalists at E3. But doesn't it make sense to at least make sure our citations and the facts we're citing them for are in agreement? (i.e. either change the citation to a news source that corroborates the "Teldrassil" story or change the article to place them off the northeastern coast)

FWIW, I have trouble imagining fitting in a whole set of starting zones between Teldrassil and Darkshore, and it seems like it would really screw with the existing vibe in that area, (not to mention the boat routes!) so I'm inclined to trust the official source. But before I go spouting off my own thoughts into the article, especially given the naturally confused and contentious nature of discussion surrounding a hot topic like the Draenei, I thought I'd check here and see if anyone can shed any light on where this actually is. --Brommon 12:51, 19 May 2006 (EDT)

Guys! On the Games Radar Interview, their next zone is Bloodmyst Isle, which is a 10-20, meaning they don't have to go to Darkshore after Azuremyst --Shandris 05:28, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

The Eredar are such a polyvalent race

Let's pay a look to the different kinds of Eredar :

• Draenei : Big fat warriors and paladins, priests, mages, beefy hunters and no rogues, Holy Light faith
• Broken : Natural ability for stealth, rogues, shamans, quick hunters, maybe some kind of nature magic, shamanistic faith
• Lost Ones : dumbass-looking warlocks, remnants of rogue and hunter culture, crippled warriors and such, no faith or maybe affiliation with demons.
• Eredar warlocks : Huge pieces of meat wielding shadow magic, maybe also remnants of arcane magic (the two being quite close, see Medivh and Kel'Thuzad), demonic faith.

If the Broken don't have absolutely no way nature magic, then we could say that the Eredar lineage is the most complete race ever.--Kirochi 04:15, 21 May 2006 (EDT)

Who is the leader of these Draenei?

Who is the leader of these Draenei?

How about reading the article before you ask questions? If you refer to the true Draenei, see Velen. For the leader of the Broken, see Akama. --Ragestorm 21:25, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

The "Uglyness"?

To me, these Draenei don't look like an Ugly race. They look prettymuch like a Beuty race. Infact, they look like bigger, bluer, and taller Night Elves.

Ya they are not really an ugly race.Baggins 15:05, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

... Guys this is so much a subjective question ... What if I tell you that I find Dwarves very pretty and I hate Night Elves because of their stupid appearance ...--Kirochi 15:24, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

...Dwarves aren't ugly. They are short sure, but they have noble appearances, imo, well if you find Night Elves ugly well fine, to each their own. ;).Baggins 15:28, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

[Mode Asshole on] Dwarves are much more beautiful than the f***y Elves. And that's all.

No, seriously, this depends on everyone.--Kirochi 15:31, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

I like dwarves better than Night Elves too. :) Dwarves are much cooler, and have more interesting appearance imoBaggins 15:42, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

As you say, to each his own. Personally, I can't see the fuss about the Dwarves. I mean, yes, they are the best race in terms of personality (I've Scots and Irish relatives, so the humor isn't lost on me), but im my book, no-one looks cooler than the Night Elves. Draenei and HM Alextrasza excepted.;-P --Ragestorm 17:53, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

I think its cause i'm a traditionalist, Dwarves are one of my favorite races in other fantasies. But I still think NE look cool, so do the Draenei.Baggins 19:37, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

I personally think the male draenei are ugly as hell, with their little tentacles on their chin (who else things that the tentacles on the chin is going to create a series of jokes having to do with other things that SOUND like "tentacle" on the chin?), and their weird head, and lack of normal hair. but then, i always thought the night elf males looked too "sissy" in wow, as well, and hate them. in war 3 they were cool, however.

I wanted SO badly for the alliance to get Broken draenei, as i always thought they were incredibly cool, but not too many would roll them, as most find them extremely ugly. --Haddon 03:07, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, whatever your tastes, it's not gonna stop people- despite making Orc and Troll males incredibly ugly in WoW, loads of people still play as them, and loads of people play as Night Elves or will as Draenei. --Ragestorm 07:19, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

My opinion is subjective (like it could be objective anyway), since I'm going to roll draenei warrior on the day one of expansion in europe (or whenever later I get the box :<), but I hardly find them ugly. Tail and hooves? Well, Succubus have that and it turns me on ;). Tetacles and forehead makes them mean-looking, combined with thier size it gives them that "you don't want to make me angry" aura. Call me a fanboy, I care :p. --Nea 08:16, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

You know, I have only one thing to say about the Draenei... ... "En Taro Adun." Seriously. The last, most difficult instance of BC will involve ramming a carrier into someone. Piroko 10:48, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Protoss skin is far more mottled, and note the absence of mouths. Seriously, what was wrong with ramming a carrier into the 2nd-greatest evil the galaxy had ever seen? En Taro Tassadar!--Ragestorm 16:06, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

You gotta admit, it'd be pretty sick, commandeering a huge ship and ramming it into the final boss to kill it in WoW. Pzychotix 23:24, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

First of all, I think "twisted" is the word you're looking for. Second, heed these three words: Not gonna happen. Mind you, if the ship were Teldrassil and the boss was Sargeras, that could be an ending for the franchise. But again, not gonna happen.--Ragestorm 08:15, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

Nah, the word I was looking was "sick" -> "wicked" -> "ridiculously AWESOME". :D Pzychotix 06:32, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Here's the WoW Ending, right here, just sub in a Draenei face... Piroko 10:07, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

http://www.chocobo.org/~Striton/starcrft/pics/tassad1.jpg http://www.chocobo.org/~Striton/starcrft/pics/tassad2.jpg http://www.chocobo.org/~Striton/starcrft/pics/thehive.jpg

Last time I checked protoss didn't have tails, hooves, mouth, tentacles etc. But OMFG, they are BLUE, you understand that! BLUE! That can't be coincidence! And those legs, ARGH! Seriously, if they made satyrs blue, would they remind u of protoss too? --Nea 04:55, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

OF CORSE! :D Pzychotix 08:04, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

...... They do have tentacles, except for the Dark Templar who ritualistically mutilated them to cut their psychic link to the community. Piroko 10:46, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Female Eredar

The article says that female eredar have been seen... or have they? Has anyone noticed that there is some similarity between female Draenei and Saccubi? Both have hornes, both have cloven feet, they both have tails. Sure Saccubi have wings, but that could be a change due to demonic mutation.

Could it be possible that Saccubus are the demonic female eredar?

I'm not saying it is the case, but just something to think about.Baggins 02:09, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Doubtful, how many female orcs, taurens and trolls have you seen before WoW? And despite other phisical differences, average succubus is rather smaller then draenei. --Nea 02:19, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

I'm inclined to agree with Nea on this one. Also, Warlocks can summon Succubi; unless Sargeras is a misogynist, I can't see the female counterparts of Archimonde and Kil'jaeden waiting for some upstart mortal to summon them. --Ragestorm 13:01, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

I'm sorry, I can't see any resemblance between Succubi and Eredar ... Are you all dumb ?--Kirochi 09:24, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Back to the original point - we have seen female eredar, since draenei are essentially eredar. Unless there are major differences between the two (unlikely), we have seen them. In any case, it's not relevant to the article, which is about 'draenei - females of which we have seen. -- Kirkburn 12:05, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Mmm I was under the thought that they were talking about demonic eredar there. Bleh, although I didn't get my lore straightened out until now. I've been only glancing at the Draenei pictures, and I thought the demonic eredar looked a LOT different from Draenei, but now I go back to them, there aren't any really big differences between the two. Blarghh. Pzychotix 13:56, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Being the one who added that note on the female eredar, I can safely say I meant female demonic eredar. It's just a little note, and it really should be on the Eredar (Burning Legion) page. The point of it here is that we can't compare Draenei and demonic eredar females because we have not seen demonic eredar females. --Ragestorm 18:27, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Ah, I mis-interpreted the note, sorry :) I've stuck in back in a more concise and reworded form -- Kirkburn 18:33, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Glowing sigil

Do you think that the glowing sigil is a sign of spell-casting as Ragestorm stated or a selectable feature at character creation? It can be seen in the Shaman Draenei screenshot and in the draenei art by Glenn Ranë but what about the Female Priest and Paladin screenshot? Aren't they spellcasters too?

Well, seeing as I brought it up in the first place I do think there are several options. Either it's a selectable, customizable feature at character creation, some general sign of actively casting a spell, or perhaps the visual effect created when Blessing of the Naaru is activated. I guess we'll have to wait and see what it's about. Then again, we can all go and prod around on the forums for a blue response, though that's unlikely. --Stormsinger 04:50, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

My guess is that it'll be selectable, since in here [7] you see the guy having the sigil without casting or anything. Pzychotix 23:21, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Your Friendly Demon Example: The Ancient Dreanai

The info that Draenei are Demons; Demons are creatures from a different world that look entirely like alians. Draenei donnot come from Dreanor, but from Argus. There leader, Velen, is still unknown, but I speculate that it might look like a Shorter, more kinder version of Archimonde, and without the demonic powers. Though the Draenei are not demonic (Not this kind anyways), they certainly can't deny that they have the capabilities of demons. The Image also looks like demonry: Imps have no pupils, appearantly nether do these Draenai, apperently; Imps have an odd head, so do Draenai for they have overlaping skull shields or whatever they are, glowing sigils, and for the females, longer then Night Elf ears; Imps have horns, Draenai have tenticles on there chins; Imps are from a different planet,and I just said there from Argus so do I need to say it again? There, you had your explenation of Draenais being non-evil demons. Now, all these facts evident that the Draenai are Demons, do you believe me? -Quinn

Please sign your posts... I would like to point out just because Draenei are from another planet doesn't mean they are demons. Humans are from another planet other than draenor and are not demons. Naaru come from another planet or plane of existence than Draenor, and are not demons... Trolls have three fingers, and 2 toed feet, and come from another planet other than Draenor and are not Demons. Tauren have horns and hooves and come from another planet other than Draenor and are not Demons. Granted we need to know more information about the new versions of Draenei Eredar. But just because they look Demonic doesn't mean they are demons.Baggins 19:10, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

Non-evil demons is contradictory. The sole definition of a demon is that it is evil. Just because they look similar to other demons (which I don't find them looking like in the least), means nothing. I could have the face of the average pedo (big honkin sunglasses, pedo mustache) means nothing about what my intentions are. Pzychotix 01:58, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Actually there are such things known as "good demons" in mythology. The term demon does not denote something as being good or bad. To the greeks, Daemon, means something along the lines of "genius and intelligence" and was used to denote things both good and bad. Eudemons[8] were one such "benevolent demon". They were considered minor dieties not necessarily good or evil. But evil is generally the first thing people think of when they hear about demons in this day and age, as that is the common perception. It is similar to how Angels tend to be viewed as being good, when in mythology there were both good and evil angels. But that is according to earth mythology not the warcraft universe, in the warcraft universe all demons are evil....Baggins 03:23, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Would you consider the Good Draenei of the Swamps of Sarrows Demons? Or how about there corrupt ones, huh? -Quinn

Simply put, the answer should be obvious to you now. We've told you our stance on what determines a demon multiple times. Obviously, these good draenei (which according to the Swamp of Sorrows page says they've actually gone mad) are hardly demonic, since they're not malicious and harbor no evil intent that we're aware of. If they attack you, it's because they've gone mad, and you could hardly say that a mad man is demonic.

The corrupted eredar have long been established as demonic. That's old news. THEY are the evil ones, and ARE demonic. The new draenei are NOT. I suggest you hit up the Demons page. Honestly. Right now, you're doing nothing more than pointing the finger at draenei, and shouting "Demon!", when they are not the case, and you have done little to prove so. Pzychotix 23:03, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Is Illidan a demon? Pretty much. Is he a night elf? Pretty much. Are night elves demons? Eredar affected by Sargeras' corruption became demons, while uncorrupted draenei are just an ordinary race... well... maybe not so ordinary, but you get the point. --Nea 04:44, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

The mount

My revert was mostly for the continual capitalising of words, not so much for the uncertainty about the mount picture. We don't yet have confirmation that the picture does indeed show an elekk (unless someone can produce a source), though I do believe it seems very likely. I don't personally mind either way. -- Kirkburn

This picture was rumored to be draenei mount long ago (look up in discussion to draenei mount), but was not confirmed back then. Now we know it's a elephant alike creature, and the picture fits perfectly, but it's still not confirmed and even tho I strongly believe it indeed is elekk, I would rather wait for official info, Blizzard likes to suprise us recently.--Nea 18:36, 12 August 2006 (EDT)