Talk:Draenei

September 2006: As per the recent race names vote at Wowpedia talk:Writing policy#Race name case, the correct race name spelling is "draenei" and not "Draenei"

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Previous discussions moved to Talk:Draenei/Archive1. This archive is mostly early lore and symantic questions questions that have since been answered. --Ragestorm (talk · contr)

Walking style (READ ME)

Once and for all: draenei cannot walk digitigrade because they do not have digits (toes) on their feet. They are considered ungulates, specifically artiodactyls, unless someone clearly states that they are not mammals. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:18, 19 January 2007 (EST)

... I just feel dumber than I did before. :P But I know for a fact that they are mammals. Just take a look at one of the females. Would the above classifications hold true for tauren as well? --  Varghedin  talk / contribs 14:22, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Tauren would be artiodactyls as well, as far as I can tell. I would assume the Draenei are mammals - or very close to it. Once you get into lifeforms from other planets, it's a bit hard to make sure they classify in Terrestrial terms. For all I know, their skin could be composed of very small scales, or they could be closer to crustaceans. It would be safest to say that they are "humanoids that share many morphological traits of mammals, but that their exact classification is unclear". --SeiferTim 15:40, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I'm leaving the article the way it is, I just wanted to make a statement to the users who keep changing to "digitigrade". An artiodactyl is an hoofed animal whose weight is held on two toes, so the tauren and draenei both qualify. Horses or zebras, for example are not artiodactyl. Draenei hooves resemble those of a goat. As for draenei being mammalian, you can clearly see in Reign of Chaos that Archimonde's skin is scaly, but that might not mean anything.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:21, 19 January 2007 (EST)

They have hair, which means they can't be reptilian. And they are (most probably) endothermic "warm-blooded". Not to mention that only mammals have hooves. And besides all that, there's the undeniable presence of breasts. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:59, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe just "Humanoid" ? In WoW there are true and very powerful gods that designed their children. Intelligent design applies totally.--K ) (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Or we could try and give up on classifying an alien creature with specific Terran (heh) species terminology? They are neither mammals nor reptiles, but we can describe them (in the article) in terms of both. i.e. "they have mammalian qualities, such as..." User:Kirkburn/Sig 20:08, 19 January 2007 (EST)

To summarize, any changes back to "digitigrade" will be justifiably reverted. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:24, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Blue blood?

I'm not familiar with any of the novels, but I wasn't aware of the draenei having blue blood - during a couple of the in-game quests, in the draenei starting area, some of the blood elves refer to them as blue blooded, but it was used derogatively, like someone would use cold blooded for someone who is considered dispationate, or evil... --SeiferTim 10:41, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Uh, did you purposely miss my above comment? ;) It's mentioned many many times in Rise of the Horde, spattered all over the shop User:Kirkburn/Sig 10:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Rise of the Horde describes their blue blood in tragic and gory detail. The blood elves are using the term "blue-blooded" in the same way that some people refer to European (specifically English) aristocracy, meaning the same thing as the phrases "above the salt", "at the upper end of the table" or "a cut above the rest". That it happens to be literally true is a happy coincidence. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:59, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Fair enough ;) I guess I'll have to read those books now. --SeiferTim 14:37, 23 January 2007 (EST)

I heartily recommend them! I'm onto the RPG books now. User:Kirkburn/Sig 15:06, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, gods, you've succumbed.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:48, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Scientificaly, we all have Blue Blood. It turns red when it touches oxygen. And it actully is clear when it is first "produced" in the heart. Acjpb 05:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I refer you to wikipedia:Blood#Color for a thorough debunking of that. We don't have blue blood, it's not clear, and not produced in the heart. If you remove all the cells or look at it under enough magnification, yes, it is transparent. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 06:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Ermm our blood never had any chance to be Blue since we constantly have oxygen in our body & Red Blood cells are produced from the Bone Marrow, the Heart simply pumps it throughout the body system. About the Draenei blood being blue, I believe the novel (Rise of the Horde) mentioned it to have cobalt unlike ours (and Orcs, Drawves etc) which has iron thus resulting in the different colours. I can't imagine what Demon blood has to make it icky, gooey green.--Brashxon 06:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Green blood means it uses copper. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Draenei Racial Ability - Gift of the Naaru

The draenei's racial ability is called [Gift of the Naaru], not Blessing of the Naaru. [1] --SeiferTim 11:19, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Sorry, wasn't paying full attention.. i thought the change was going the other way >_o; --User:Zeal/Sig 11:46, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Not a problem :) I hadn't even noticed that it was wrong until I started working on the draenei quests... stupid synonyms. --SeiferTim 11:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

What weapon is this?

File:Draenei Paladin.jpg

A draenei Paladin

I know that discussion is reserved for discussion of information of the actual article, but I have not yet found an answer. Is this a weapon that has already been released? If so, what is it? (Sern 22:03, 31 January 2007 (EST));

I believe it's Hammer of the Naaru. --Maenos 22:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)

What is the armour set this draenei is wearing? Is it the same as the Draenei on the Burning Crusade box? If you could figure out what armour set this is let me know. Thanks

It's Justicar, the Paladin Tier 4. Also, don't forget to sign your comments. --Maenos 23:02, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Do u play WOW? If not maybe you can still answer this. Were do you get the Justicar set? how do i sign my coments just -- then my name?

You can acquire the pieces of Justicar by getting the correct tokens that drop from Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, and Magtheridon. Check out Tier 4. As to how to sign your comments, yeah, just do -- and then follow how I (and the others) type things out. --Maenos 19:55, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Er, by that you mean type ~~~~, of course. User:Kirkburn/Sig2 20:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Actually, I meant type it out manually. Had no idea typing in ~~~~ did all that. Learn something new every day, heh. And Greg, check out Tier 5 --Maenos 22:46, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

ok thnaks alot. I've heard there is a tier 5 but i have never seen any if u have a link that i can look at them please link thanks -- Greg 9:08pm, 11 March 2007

thx for the tier 5 link they look awsome. anyone here now anything about rogues or for that matter all classes. if u can help me out i would like that thx. if u have MSN thats probably easier. mines do_you_know_me_cause_i_know_u@hotmail.com -- Greg 9:49, 17 march 2007

Accent

Which accent do they have? Especially females... Hirurg 02:28, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Whenever people ask these sort of things, I just say "it's a draenei/troll accent". If I had to wager a guess it probably inspired from Russian.--Zexx 13:11, 24 February 2007 (EST)

In the French version they no doubt have a Russian accent. And for the Troll resemblance, it's just because Draeneï are space Trolls =)--K ) (talk) 13:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)

I would say less Russian and more generally eastern European. I could point out about a half a dozen eastern European/former Soviet bloc countries that share cultural similarities to the draenei. User:Montag/sig 01:14, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Heh, being a Russian, I always thought they have German accent. Rowaasr13 07:07, 7 March 2007 (EST)

I'm German ;-) Its either Russian or Polish

LemonBaby 12 Feb 2007

Listen to some of their words. "Chronakai kristos" or something to that effect. It sounds like Greek, and the accent sounds like a northeastern Greek (I should know, plenty of people in my family sound that way). Omacron 23:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

And I'm Russian :). None of russians with either good pronunciation or bad accent I ever heard speaks English like this. I like female draenei phrases very much and when I copy her I have to emulate this accent, so no, there's no way it is Russian. And, I like Omacron's idea - it sounds interesting. Rowaasr13 06:50, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

"Battlecruiser online!" Ok, now...the captain in Blizzard's Starcraft was obviously an homage to Captain Gloval/Global from Robotech/Macross [2]. He is ethnically Russian. So we can extrapolate that the voice actor used in Starcraft was emulating Gloval's poor Russian accent, and the Blizzard voice actor (probably the same one...) was emulating the Battlecruiser captain's voice. Clear as mud? Ok. // Silus 08:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Funny Omacron, Im Greek too! :) But I dont really think they sound Greek at all. Well not necessarily, they have basically have the accents of all the Balkans races, and Russia. Though Chronakai kristos sounds Greek. Kind of like Kala kristuyano (Merry Christmas). Sorry I dont know how to spell it, I dont really know Greek too well yet. Thinking about it, Chronakai kristos sounds even more like Christos anesti (Happy Easter)Mr.X8 20:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Mr.X8 01:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, now you say it, many of them have greek names.--K ) (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know they seem to have the whole "Hollywood gypsy accent and thing" going on, in some ways, vagabonds in space, :p...Baggins 07:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

If you listen closely there is an R on the end, mor of a "Chronakai kristor".--SWM2448 01:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. It could just be there accent. Being I am an tradtionist Catholic, it sounds very latin, and latin derives from greek. I would guess it kristo is a reference or pun to Christ, chronakai probably means be with you or praise. I am not quite sure, I don't know greek, and I am sure they wouldn't say any christian word. I am sure it is related though. Wikipedia says it is a mix between russian and persian, which makes sense, I can pick up both accents. Acjpb 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Draenei Shamanism

Under the "Culture" section, it is mentioned that "Recently, Shamanism has made an appearance among the draenei, in the teachings perpetuated by the Broken Shaman Nobundo, a member of Velen's inner circle." And yet in Rise of the Horde, wasn't it mentioned that there were draenei shaman in the hunting parties that were being attacked by the orcs? ..... --Davel 15:29, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Not that i recall. You're probablhy thinking about how it explains Orc Shamans are involved in the hunting parties attacking the Draenei. The Draenei only discovered Shamanism through Nobundo after they left Outland. --User:Zeal/Sig 15:41, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Childhood's End

I wonder if the Draenei are based on the Overlords in the book CHildhood's end? They are these aliens that look like demons but are good

Draenei female appearance

The Draenei females in this picture [3] looks much more impressive then the ones ingame. Do they have the forehead plate in the lore or is this just concept art? Zarnks 03:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what Draenei females look like if you were to meet one. None of the in-game models look exactly like the real appearance. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

So this is like the elvish female trolls. Zarnks 21:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

???--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about the female trolls looking like elves. Personally I would rather play as the female draenei in that picture rather then the dull ingame who look more night elves then draenei. Zarnks 05:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Proof Draenei & Trolls are related! I KNEW IT MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!--K ) (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

indirectly responsible for the orcs corruption

In a way the draenei are responsible for the orcs corruption. Kil'jaden found the orc's homeworld because he heard the word Draenor given to it by the Draenei which he recognized as Eredun. The draenei didn't warn the orcs about the burning legion either,prefering to keep to themselves. Zarnks 04:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Draenor was found by accident when Talgath was investigating signs of magic Template:Cite. Admittedly, there's a slim chance that Talgath wouldn't have investigated the world if the draenei hadn't been there, but other magic-users there could easily have drawn him. As for "preferring to keep it to themselves," I can picture it now: Ner'zhul, at any moment, your world could come under assault from an unstoppable demonic army led by a group of warlocks who look like us, only redder. Don't worry, though, because the chances of them coming here are actually pretty slim, so just be on the lookout. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That would be funny.--SWM2448 15:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

It said in Rise of the horde that Kil'jaeden decided to investigate the planet after he heard the name Draenor. Kil'jaeden wouldn't have even visited there if he hadn't recognized the name as his language. The Draenei are definetly a huge reason if not the main reason for why the eredar came to Azeroth. They had a major reason to warn the orcs,the burning Legion had been chasing them for millennia,and destroyed many planet already. To not tell the orcs a thing is just foolish and pratically a deathwish. What made them think that the burning legion wouldn't come to Draenor after they had followed them to many other worlds. Zarnks 17:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Read RotH again. That isnt why he investigated, as I told you (with citation) above. What exactly is it you're trying to prove? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost absolutely sure it said that he investiagated it because he knew the name was of his language. It says so on Kil'jaeden's page as well. Zarnks 21:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I've given you the page in the book where they talk about it, they didn't find the name until they already knew the draenei were there- I know Kil'jaeden's page is wrong, I'll change that presently.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

You have to admit that the Draenei could have easily warned the orcs. What made them think that they would come to draenor after they had chased to dozens of other planets for millennia. It was the draenei magic that drew them to draenor. They can't put all the blame on the orcs. Zarnks 21:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

And again, what do you suppose would've happened? "Hay gaiz, deez baddies are bad, mmkay?" "Sure lawl. OOH SHINY POWERS! MUST HAVE! *gets corrupted anyways*" —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 23:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Coulda shoulda. It's easy to judge others in hindsight. The draenei hoped to live on Draenor and befriend the orcs, and telling the orcs that their planet might possibly be destroyed by the draenei's long-standing enemies isn't exactly a great way to start off relations. They hoped the Burning Legion had lost their trail, and that their presence on Draenor would go unnoticed. I can easily see anyone clinging to hope and making such a decision. Don't judge others until you try their pants on for yourself. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 23:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that just because draenei magic leaves a recognizable signature, it doesn't mean that it "drew" Talgath to the planet; saying that the Legion was drawn there implies that they homed in on them, which isn't actually what happened. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 01:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Draenei lived on Draenor for a long time. "Velen and his mystics kept their magics hidden for generations." That sure is a long time to withold lifesaving information. If the draenei had warned the orcs about Kil'jaden who was after them,Nerz'hul(who at that time,was a decent fellow) certainly wouldn't have worked with burning Legion if he had been told what they really were. They wouldn't have gone to Draenor if they hadn't detected signs of the draenei magic or recognized its Eredun name. Its undeniable that the draenei indirectly played a part in corrupting the orcs and dooming their homeworld. Zarnks 02:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Remember that the arrakoa were also messing with the arcane as well, they could have just as easily drawn the legion to the draenor themselves.Baggins 03:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

No it specifies "Draenei magic" and they recognized the name draenor. Orcs are constantly being blamed by the draenei even though they called accidently brought the burning legion to Draenor. Zarnks 03:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Arcane magic is arcane magic. The concept of "draenei magic" is odd. Although archimonde claimed that all magic on Azeroth was eredar and burning legion magic just before he destroyed Dalaran :p...Baggins 03:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Apparently only worlds where the draenei had lived at, contained "Draenei magic". It wasn't the arrakoa. Zarnks 03:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Draenei didn't live on azeroth, and yet it was the magic practice on Azeroth that brought man'ari eredar there. They even claimed it was their own magic... Sorry I'm hardly convinced... The race seems to always claim anything arcane is their own magic, or their cousins... They seem to be drawn to any world that practices magic.Baggins 03:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

"tumbled upon a world that showed signs of the draenei's magic. Though they initially assumed it was just another one of the planets the draenei briefly stopped upon, further investigations quickly discovered that the draenei had actually settled there, even go ing so far as to give it an Eredun name, Draenor." Only the draenei have "draenei magic". There are plently of arcane using races they specify the Draenei magic not arcane. It was the draenei that accidently doomed Draenor. Zarnks 03:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

...and eredar have called Azeroth's magic their own magic, yet people of Azeroth had practiced centuries before - "From this seal shall arise the doom of men, who, in their arrogance, sought to wield our fire as their own. Blindly they build their kingdoms upon stolen knowledge and conceit. Now they shall be consumed by the very flame they sought to control."" I really don't trust anything that the eredar believe, its only their point of view, and not necessarily credible.

Although in this case "draenei magic" is likely referring to the strange magic tought to them by the naaru, the divine magic of the holy light, which was unique in comparsion to the old arcane ways of the eredar. This is something brought up on the TBC page for the draenei, btw. "Meanwhile, the enigmatic naaru race blessed the draenei with Light-given knowledge and power. The naaru explained that there were other forces in the cosmos that would stand against the Burning Legion. One day the naaru would forge them into a single unstoppable army of the Light. Deeply affected by the naaru's words, the draenei vowed to honor the Light and uphold the naaru's altruistic ideals." Baggins 03:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Obviously the draenei weild some special kind of magic most likely different from the demonic eredar's. I just don't like how the Draenei lump all the blame on the orcs,they were victims too. Zarnks 03:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

We have to explore the possibility that the Burning Legion would have come across the world anyways, Draenei or no. The Burning Legion's mission is to basically consume everything there is. Do you expect that they would've seen the planet, and ignored it, simply because it did not contain the Draenei? —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 07:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The Burning legion found draenor by tracing the draenei magic. Draenor would have survived a much longer time without the draenei. Not saying draenei are evil, but they accidentally lured an evil force to the Draenor. Zarnks 07:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

And the time taken for the orcs to be found would've changed what? Sure the Draenei might've sped up the process, but eventually they would've been screwed anyways. —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 10:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The dreanei blame the orcs of massacring them AND NOTHING ELSE. They don't lump any blame on the orcs except for that. They don't blame them for summoning the Legion, or dooming the planet (though they blame Ner'zhul specifically for ripping the planet apart), they just blame them for destroying draenei cities and ripping draenei to shreds (literally). Pzychotix is right- it's likely that the Legion consumed most worlds they investigated if they made good targets, and would likely have found Draenor eventually, even if Velen had joined them at the beginning. And again, they weren't "tracing" draenei magic, nor were they "drawn" to it- they just knew what it looked like when they found it. As for the Arakkoa, Baggins's point was that their use of arcane magic would have lured the Legion their in the same way that the Highbourne's lured them to Azeroth. And as for getting mad at the draenei for speeding the inevitable- for all you know, the Legion could have invaded the planet only a few years later, or even at the same time. Finally, whatever the draenei's reasons for not telling the orcs there are a number of innocent reasons: they didn't think it would do any good, they thought the orcs wouldn't believe them, maybe they had a superiority complex or perhaps they though they were finally safe and could put it behind them. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't murder only speed up death? That doesn't stop it from being wrong. The Arakkoa to my knowlegde weren't abusing the arcane like Azshara. Most people seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the draenei just decided to lure the burning legion on purpose just to be mean. Velen seemed decent enough. It still doesn't stop that it was irresponsible to not warn the orcs and think about the consequences settling on the planet would have. "They don't lump any blame on the orcs except for that." I've noticed many draenei express a desire for revenge against the orcs. Have they forgotten that they lured the legion and didn't warn the orcs and the orcs were manipulated and brainwashed by the Burning Legion. Most orcs are shown as deeply regretful for their actions. There isn't anything to take revenge on them for,they lost their planet,most of them were mutated by arcane,and they are constantly unjustly villainized by the people of Azeroth. Note that there are bad Draenei, an interograter in Telaar orders a blood elf prisoner beaten.

I'm going to add a footnote of this to the article under speculation.

Zarnks 04:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by going on that off-shoot there. Seeing the Draenei act the way they do towards Orcs after the event we're talking about is quite irrelevant. So is pointing out that there are bad Draenei (everybody has bad eggs, Draenei aren't an exception). And please don't go over the rest of the people in this discussion and add it into the article when we haven't even come to a consensus. If that's what you're going to do, then why even bother discussing it?

As for Draenei indirectly causing the Burning Legion to corrupt the orcs:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter3.html#21 It says nothing about being "drawn" to the planet like you've said in the past. Also, neither of these societies were involved in such a social exchange that would even provoke them to discuss a matter such as this. Not to mention, you seem to ignore the possibility of the orcs being corrupted anyways, regardless of whether or not the Draenei warned them. At this point in time, you're not really presenting much in terms of evidence to back this piece of speculation, and that's really not enough to put onto a main page such as this. —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 05:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Rise of the horde which is canon and aproved by Metzen says they decided to investiage after they found the draenei magic on the planet and heard its Eredun name. The official site doesn't goes as indepth as the novel. Most of the specualtion is pretty ridiculous(Teron leading the black riders) why can't this stay? I'm not putting it down as fact in the article just as speculation. Zarnks 06:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

For starters, RotH doesn't say that they investigated because of the Eredun name, that happened after Talgath has already faound them. This can't stay because

• 1) it is completely irrelevant. Teron leading the Black Riders and some of the other speculation sections are relevent lore questions, with arguable degrees of importance.
• 2) the information that the Legion eventually found the draenei is already in the article.
• 3) this isn't speculation, it's you trying to say that the draenei needs to be blamed for the whole sequence of events because "they could have warned the orcs."

--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Teron can certainly not lead the black riders. He was sealed up and working with Illidan. "'RotH doesn't say that they investigated because of the Eredun name', that happened after Talgath has already faound them. They decided to investigate after they found signs draenei magic and the eredun name. Yup that certainly speed up Draenor's doom.

In my opinion many draenei show signs of intolerance and grouping all of one race together. one of the best examples is the Aldor This is ironic considering their origins. Zarnks 05:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I've told you a dozen times and gave you a citation: TALGATH INVESTIGATED DRAENOR BECAUSE HE FOUND TRACES OF THEIR MAGIC, HE DID NOT KNOW THE NAME UNTIL AFTER HE'D ALREADY FOUND THEM!!!!!

You bet it's ironic, that why it's there in the first place, a bit of dramatic irony which has little actual importance. I don't suppose it's even occured to you that what you're seeing is just in-game justification of the Alliance vs. Horde dichotomy?

This has gone on far enough, so here it is: discuss all you want (though it wil do little good), but if you edit the page again with this, you will be banned. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thats what I said. I'm just tired of many Draenei vilifying the orcs,forgetting all the suffering they put the orcs through by withholding lifesaving information. Zarnks 22:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that you seem incapable of coming to your senses, I refer you to my threat above. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You know that the legion would have corrupted the orcs anyway. They got impressed by the orcs powers during War of The Ancients. (Keilden 12:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

Architecture

1: it is not "wild speculation" It is speculation and I noted as such. But my descriptions of the architecture styles are backed by numerous proofs from in-game.

• Brown and black layers are fully visible in structures that are destroyed, as well as standing ones.

• when sections of this material are broken, it resembles rock-like fractures. Since it is highly doubtfull that all dranei towns are CARVED from mountans (evidanced by the color of rock surrounding shatterath is compeltely diffrent from the color rock surrounding Telaar yet all draenai strucuters are identical); this suggests some sort of artifical rock substance that can be molded.

• Inexplicable cystal points sticking out at angles that match the curvature of the wall they jut from suggests it is some kind of support beam. Also, these crystals can be seen at the inn in telar on the second floor, creating an X shape that spans the entire ceiling. This also sugesses its use as a support structure.

• Cleavage in the middle of the individual compartments seen from the outside of buildings suggest that they are two identical walls that touch at this clevage point. This is further indicated when one views the inside of dranei structures, and there is not anywhere a wall connects directly with another wall withought being bridged by the ceiling.

• there are no isolated rooms in draenei structures. Each is simply one large room with smaller rooms brancing off. THis indicates a stacking of compartments. This is also supported by the fact that Draenei structures are symetrical by compartment, but asymetrical as a whole.

• The black portions of structures are always "under" the brown protions. This suggests it being needed as support.

• the Brown portions are the only portions used to Bridge large gaps, example, the draenei forge, as well as pattios and decks that extend over cliffs. this suggests the brown portions are lighter. Also, the brown portions are those with the larger, deeper "scale" cuts, this indicates that it is an easier material to carve.

• Instead of repairing damaged structures, inhabitants choose to Add on to them. This indiacates they are difficult to repair, even for the powerful narru of shatterath.

There are more points, but this outlines the basic ideas.

2: Why is spectualtion removed, instead of altered. There is a reason for the speculation note. MOST of what is on this wiki is infact speculation. Unless you can definitavelty prove anything.

Rampage29 2:14 am 7/21/07

It was removed because it is fan fiction. We allow speculation on certain matters - but not outright fan fiction. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is fiction, every idea I formulated Came from in-game elements, and I was kind enough to list some of those points above. You need to do far more removal on this wiki if you dont allow for logical deduction off of in-game information.

I admit that I may be wrong, but no one has listed points to prove as such, Instead of investigating the issue yourself, you are simply assuming its complete fiction. You are disrespecting my work and I do not appreciate that.

If it needs to be re-worded to display the logical facts better, than say so, or do so. Rampage29 13.13pm 7/21/07

It would need a major reword to talk about the idea or the deductions, not to talk about it as if it is fact. Speculation isn't an excuse to add fan fiction, it is for discussing things that are uncertain. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 17:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Fangs?

The main Draenei page says that draenei lack the fangs of Eredar. Yet, in game, if you watch their faces up close (I've only played female draenei, so I'm not sure about the men) while they're telling a joke, for example, it appears that they have fangs. Has anyone else noticed this? --PallyEleana 23:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen a couple of stills in draenei males that look like that- to my eyes, it looked like the "fangs" were the molars, seen because of the angle and how hard the target was laughing. Image resolution made it look like fangs. That could be what you're seeing, if you're looking straight at them. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. :) --PallyEleana 16:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)