Talk: Death knight

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The Unstoppable Force art from the WoW TCG.

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The Unstoppable Force is an epic two handed mace obtained from the Stormpike Guard faction, or the Frostwolf Clan faction, for 250 . It is also the counter to [The Immovable Object].

Notes

The mace itself is shaped like a pig's head.
When The Unstoppable Force was originally released, it had a knockback proc instead of the stun. This was removed shortly after, in keeping with Blizzard's unwillingness to give players knockback.
Many players have asked Blizzard what happens when The Unstoppable Force hits [The Immovable Object]. Answers have ranged from "42" to "Chuck Norris dies."
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade added a poor level 64 mace, called [The Stoppable Force], clearly in reference to this epic weapon.

Patch changes

Patch 1.7.0 (2005-09-13): The Unstoppable Force now has a short duration stun instead of a knockback effect, and the stun will occur less frequently.
Patch 1.5.0 (2005-06-07): Added.

External links

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-Archived discussions: [[Talk:Death knight/Archive1]], [[Talk:Death knight/Archive2]], [[Talk:Death knight/Archive3]]
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+[[Image:The Unstoppable Force.JPG|thumb|''"What happens when . . . ?"''<br/>The Unstoppable Force art from the [[WoW TCG]].]]
+:''"What happens when . . . ?"'' {{TCG quote|TCG=Beyond the Dark Portal|card=285}}
+'''The Unstoppable Force''' is an epic two handed mace obtained from the [[Stormpike Guard]] faction, or the [[Frostwolf Clan]] faction, for {{cost|h=250}}. It is also the counter to {{loot|Epic|The Immovable Object}}.
-:''Please read [[Starting a death knight]], before posting questions about starting gameplay of Death knights in {{wotlk-inline}}.''
+==Notes==
-{{ArchiveBox|9 August, 2007|23 August, 2007}}
+*The mace itself is shaped like a pig's head.
+*When The Unstoppable Force was originally released, it had a knockback proc instead of the stun.  This was removed shortly after, in keeping with Blizzard's unwillingness to give players knockback.
+*Many players have asked Blizzard what happens when The Unstoppable Force hits {{item|The Immovable Object}}. Answers have ranged from "42" to "Chuck Norris dies."
+*[[World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade]] added a {{quality|poor}} level 64 mace, called {{loot|Poor|The Stoppable Force}}, clearly in reference to this epic weapon.
+==Patch changes==
-== Dead or alive? ==
+*{{Patch 1.7.0|note=The Unstoppable Force now has a short duration stun instead of a knockback effect, and the stun will occur less frequently.}}
-Are the playable Death Knights simply living mortals infused with necromantiv power, or are they walking rotting corpses just like the Undead Forsaken?--[[User:WoWWiki-Odolwa|WoWWiki-Odolwa]] ([[User talk:WoWWiki-Odolwa|talk]]) 01:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
+*{{Patch 1.5.0|note=Added.}}
-:They are like the forsaken... to put it simply. {{User:Coobra/Sig3}} 08:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
-That doesn't make any sense at all, and I believe you are wrong. The Alliance sees the Undead Forsaken (who are undead humans) as enemies because of their undead condition. But now the Alliance would suddenly accept undead humans in the form of Death Knights into their ranks? Besides, the Death Knights doesn't look very dead (compared to the playable Undead-race). Arthas never had to die to become a Death Knight.--[[User:WoWWiki-Odolwa|WoWWiki-Odolwa]] ([[User talk:WoWWiki-Odolwa|talk]]) 12:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
-:Taking the group as a whole, no. Death knights are not inherently undead. They can be either/or, depending on the circumstances under which they joined the Scourge. The player death knights, however, ARE undead. It's made quite clear in both the opening narration and the intro quest chain that you died in battle and got raised as a death knight. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 13:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
-:Create a DK and then you'd understand Odolwa, and I did say "to put it simply". I never said they were in fact exactly like the forsaken. And given the circumstances any faction would accept creatures that they wouldn't normally, if it were to help defeat a greater enemy. You think the forsaken were welcomed with open arms into the horde? {{User:Coobra/Sig3}} 20:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
+==External links==
-I understand. In that case, all in-game Death Knights should be classified as "Undead Death Knight", instead of "Human Death Knight", "Troll Death Knight", etc. --[[User:WoWWiki-Odolwa|WoWWiki-Odolwa]] ([[User talk:WoWWiki-Odolwa|talk]]) 21:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
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-The major reason for this confusion is how Blizzard handles Undead: They are always Ghuls, Skeletons or rotten corpses having lain a week or two in a tomb, instead of corpses being raised only minutes after death (which is the case at most of the undead), with few exceptions like Sylvanas, and, recently, the playable Death Knights. [[User:Oberscht|Oberscht]] ([[User talk:Oberscht|talk]]) 00:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
+[[Category:World of Warcraft epic items]]
-And the "Forsaken" are a organization, not a race. The alliance doesn't like them because even with their free minds they kept being aggressive towards them... Meanwhile the Ebon Blade is a completely new organization. [[User:Oberscht|Oberscht]] ([[User talk:Oberscht|talk]]) 00:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
+[[Category:World of Warcraft two-handed mace items]]
-: The Forsaken (note uppercase) of the Horde are a ''faction'' of free-willed undead of a type that I have [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheUndead unofficially] termed "revenants."  Some "revenants" (such as [[Stalvan Mistmantle]]) are considered undead, others (such as player characters and members of the [[Twilight cults]]) are considered humanoids.&nbsp; The term "forsaken" (note lowercase) tends to refer to all humanoid-type "revenants," whether or not they're affiliated with the Horde.<p>Now, with that out of the way: My thought on death knights is that they're rather like the [http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Abyssal_Exalted Abyssal Exalted] (who are, by the way, also called "deathknights") of White Wolf's ''Exalted''.<br>{{RaceIcon|Draenei|Female|Small}} [[User:Farseer-Lolotea|Farseer Lolotea]] ● [[Special:Contributions/Farseer-Lolotea|contrib]] 01:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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+[[Category:Alterac Valley items]]
-What the Forsaken are is a faction of free willed undead who banded under Sylvanas. the term forsaken does NOT mean any form of free willed undead who is just listed humanoid... Some of the scourge's forces arent dead. Like their necromancers, they are usually alive. Sure there are SOME dead necromancers but that doesnt mean they are forsaken. A free willed undead is just that, a free willed undead. You said that forsaken are all humanoid "revnants" which is inaccurate, a forsaken is a undead who has free will under the leadership of sylvanas. If a free willed undead doesnt join sylvanas they arent a forsaken. Sylvanas came up with the name in warcraft 3. Refering to HER undead. The humanoid listing is a gameplay mechanic to make it fair to players, I mean really noone would play a forsaken because they'd be getting spells spamed at them by paladins. Also Death Knights ARE dead. They were killed and raised by the scourge, it says it during numerous quests when you make a death knight, even in the opening speach of a DK.--{{User:Whitedragon254/Sig}} 14:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
-== Tank/DPS/PVP ==
-i've heard allot of rumors going around concerning what specs add up to what. i've heard Frost=Tank Blood=DPS and Unholy=PVP
-i read on wiki that each are basically suited to eachothers needs...but isn't there one that has a little bit of a heads up on the others? {{unsigned|Tasque}}
-Each tree and tank or dps, it's mostly a matter of personal preference. {{User:Zurr/Sig3}} 10:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
-== Black Metal? ==
-''"The appearance, mannerisms and even some of the names of NPC characters used by the Death Knights in World of Warcraft are based off of the Black Metal subgenre of music. Notable are the names of the talent specializations Blood, Frost and Unholy which all appear in Norwegian Black Metal band Immortal's thematic elements in their music. Of particular note is the phrase used by Death Knights as a parting statement, "Suffer Well", which is commonly used by fans of the band Satyricon in the same manner." ''
-First off, the apearance has little to do with Black metal influence (they are based off of Wc3 Death knights, which I would hardly consider resembling Black metal). Blood Frost and Unholy aren't black-metal specific (Immortal Souls wouldn't be considered black metal, they use the themes, as do many other bands). "Suffer Well" is a single off album "Playing the Angel" by Depeche Mode, who also mentions "frost" in the same song, so I'm not sure why it would be a Black metal reference only since they are an electronic/synthpop band. Not to mention the entire thing is unsourced. [[User:Doomhand|Doomhand]] ([[User talk:Doomhand|talk]]) 03:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
-== I need help :) ==
-I am an 80 death knight. Its easy for me to kill stuff but i have a bunch of crappy gear. my only epic is my hateful gladiator hands that i got from VOA. People ask me what my hit cap and stuff are and i have no idea how to figure that out so can someone email me at seanscousin@hotmail.com or just reply to this to tell me how to figure that stuff out and also where i can get some better gear. thanks.                                                        5/6/09
-Your best bet is to read www.elitistjerks.com.  There are discussion threads for DK dps which will help you out.  Also, reading the articles on here can help for starters too. [[User:Paly 1|Paly 1]] ([[User talk:Paly 1|talk]]) 03:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
-:Join a guild and start raiding. The hit cap is 9% and is based on your hit rating. Check your character pane (''''C''''). --{{User:ShandrisForever/Sig}} 12:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
-== Added New Rune Frames ==
-I been watching this wiki a long time and it drove me crazy that it only showed the blizzcon 2007 frame, so I finally added the beta and the newest frames, hope you dont mind :) <small>—The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Mightylink}}.</small>
-:: And thanks to Coobra and Fandyllic for providing a better final frame, sorry im new to wikis >.< {{User|Mightylink}}.
-:::No problem. Thanks for the addition! You can [[User_talk:Howbizr|ping]] me if you have questions. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 2:50 PM, 7 Jul 2009 (EDT)
-== Account Transfer? ==
-ok so what happens if I have A lvl 55 and I make a DK. If I transfer him to my other account will I be able to play as him, or do I need a lvl 55on that account also?rconorfox 12:43, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
-== Blood Elf Death Knight(?) ==
-Like Sylvanas, the Blood Elf Death knights were first of all High Elfs of the Alliance. Right? Now the easiest way to continue the reasoning how things happen lorewise, is saying that after this they simply became of the Scourge when Arthas stormed Silvermoon as a Death Knight himself, killing 90% of the High Elfs. But this can't be right. Then "Blood Elf Death Knight" would be called "High Elf Death Knights"? But they aren't, also in the ending Death Knight quest, it's quoted "you were once a hero of the Horde"... - High Elfs were allied with the Alliance - Therefore you are able to take the portal to Orgrimmar...
-So, these Blood Elf Death Knights, who weren't quite yet Death Knights nor even Blood Elfs, would NOW start to call themselves Blood Elfs, the Children of the Blood, those who survived the fall of Silvermoon and the Sunwell. And they join the Horde since they thought Alliance failed to aid them.
-Now. When being no longer of the Alliance, or a High Elf, the Lich King/Arthas will kill them, then raise and convert them to these Death Knights. After serving the Scourge for a while they, the Death Knights, are betrayed by Arthas, afterwards joining Horde again.
-So they go from Alliance, Horde, Scourge, then finally Horde again.
-Now "Blood Elfs Death Knights" are Undead(the condition), Forsaken(socially ''edit:''since they free from the Lich King"), High Elfs(biologically), Blood Elfs(socially)... (?)
-What are they really? Being a Blood Elf Death Knight is quite confusing.
-Maybe someone has mentioned this before, but this page is very messy. [[User:Merala|Merala]] ([[User_talk:Merala|Talk]]) 00:45, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:It's very heavily implied that most if not all of the playable death knights were members of the Argent Dawn who died in battle, so they could easily have entered into the service of the Scourge after joining the Horde. The one exception is Koltira, who could have chosen to identify with his homeland of Quel'Thalas rather than the few scattered "true" high elves out there. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:13, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:: So, they were first of the Alliance as High Elfs, then the Horde as  Blood elf AND as a member of the Argent Dawn. Then they got killed in battle, entered the service of the Scourge. And then we know the rest of the story if we simply level a death knight and read the quest logs... But still, what race is a so called "Blood Elf Death Knight" really? Like I said, biologically they are High Elfs, Undead as a condition, Forsaken since they managed to get free from the Lich King's grasp and a Blood Elf - the small remaining amount of High Elfs who survived? [[User:Merala|Merala]] ([[User_talk:Merala|Talk]]) 01:21, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
-::I guess the faction of which a Blood Elf Death Knight belongs to is up to each player. How I interpret it, you are actually priviliged to be either Forsaken or Blood Elf, depending on to which you feel more loyal; The Undead High Elf Sylvanas, or the (alive) Blood Elf Lor'themar. Or maybe both? [[User:Merala|Merala]] ([[User_talk:Merala|Talk]]) 12:48, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
-==What should happen with Death Knights ?==
-If the Arthas is dead now , and Bolvar took over his place as a Lich King , will Death Knights  eyes glow orange instead of blue ? Also i wonder who will be standing on his place in Acherus after Cataclysm goes live... <small>—The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Morlokoskad}}.</small>
-::Well it takes place in the past, so i'm pretty sure nothing will change, except a worgen and goblin NPC at the chapel. [[User:Hallowseve15|Hallowseve15]] ([[User talk:Hallowseve15|talk]]) 15:31, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
-:::At the same time, Worgen an Goblins joined Alliance/Horde after the Lich King died. No logic there.--[[User:WoWWiki-Odolwa|WoWWiki-Odolwa]] ([[User talk:WoWWiki-Odolwa|talk]]) 15:36, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Death knight process takes place in the past and comes into the present. No DKs will not have orange fiery eyes, Bolvar is unique in that the fire from the red flight changed him. Please sign your posts, here I thought Hallowseve was asking a question then answering himself... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 18:19, May 22, 2010 (UTC)