Shouldn't this page be split between Burning Blade Clan and Burning Blade Cult? The Burning Blade Clan does not really exist any longer as a clan, but now as the Burning Blade Cult. Rolandius (talk - contr) 02:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- Technically the Burning Blade was never really a "clan", or as it was describe its a "rather an elemental force of nature", with no leaders. It was less a clan and more of group that came together from other other orcs that had no banner, and created a banner of their own. It was really only a clan in name only. In horde player's guide its definitely still called a clan in "present" time though, infact its more organized than it used to be, and has leaders now.
- I remember from somewhere it had a group of ogre enforcers to keep it from destroying itself, and one page said it was ruled by 'The Conclave', but that may have been fan fiction.-- 00:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well it was confusing before because the page was split between old and modern times. Yes SWM, it is on the Burning Blade clan page. It says, "The other clans used the ogres to keep the Burning Blade in check, lest this clan turn on the rest of the Horde in their permanent state of aggression." You might have seen it there. The clan seemed to have been devastated after the wars, and with the Blademasters joining Thrall. It says now that the organization has satyrs, orcs, and demons. Its sister groups are Argus Wake and Searing Blade which are two cults. So I thought the Burning Blade would better fit under a cult then an orc clan as everything points to it being a cult and not an orc clan any longer. Rolandius (talk - contr) 06:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- Orc clans is kinda of a misnomer for a few of the clans. Some of the clans were both ogre and orc. Some of the clans while maybe starting out as purely orc clans started letting in ogres, and oges even became leaders of a couple of clans. Also being a cult and a clan isn't necessasrily mutually exclusive from being a cult, if the clan allows for members of other races to join the clan. Speaking of other tribal/clan based cults, don't forget the Atal'ai, and the Hakkari.Baggins (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well I know some clans had or have half-ogres and some clans had or have ogres as leaders. The clans that I am talking about are the ones that have demons, satyrs, centaurs, and even other races in them. All they do is try to summon evil creatures into the world. Some of them even are said to have chapters or branches to the organization. I just thought those type of clans, which I think seem to mostly be under the leadership of the Shadow Council, would lean more toward the definition of being cults and not orc clans. But I guess your saying that it is a clan and cult at the same time. The Death's Head clan I guess would be like that. I do see your Atal'ai and Hakkari points. It is easier though with them to call them clans because they are usually all trolls. I guess my idea is that if a group has too many races in it, wouldn't it stop being just an "orc clan" or just an "ogre clan". A lot of these clans are listed under the category of Orc Clans. I was just wondering how do we know when to call an organization a cult and not a clan any longer. Rolandius (talk - contr) 07:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)