If you read the article Aftermath of the Second Waryou will find the line "Turalyon, Lothar's most trusted lieutenant, took up Lothar's bloodstained shield and rallied his grief-stricken brethren for a vicious counterattack." All the evidence that Ashkandi does belong to Lothar fits except for the fact that he did not appear to have used it in the little information that is given to us. You'll see from his statue in the Burning Steppes that he did use a sword and shield in his final duel with Orgrim Doomhammer. So Lothar did use a shield. There are two loopholes in this. By today's standards you can't use a two-handed sword with a shield, so either Lothar was not restricted by this and could use Ashkandi in one hand. Or he, like alot of characters have weapons for situational use. He could have carried his one-hander and shield for some situations and Ahskandi for other times. Though realistically, real people would be restricted by space restraints, as well as wieght. Not us, we are potentially able to carry more than 80 2-handed heavy weapons with no difference to us. Realistically speaking, it would be cumbersome, overbearing, and tireing to carry around all that gear into battle. That isn't to say that it want possible though, Lothar was a remarkable man.--G3n0c1de

Prehaps he was strong enough to use a shield in one hand and a Two-handed sord in the other Juzuba 21:41, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

"And both carried weapons lesser warriors could never have wielded, the glittering rune-etched blade of Stormwind and the black-stone hammer of the Doomhammer line."[1] (ToD #?) A bit later: "Lothar took Doomhammer's hit full upon his lion-head shield, which crumpled from the impact"[1] (ToD #?) --Shalkis 06:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That info would be better placed over in "Great Royal Sword".Baggins 06:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ashkandi is Quel'Zaram?Edit


Quel'Zaram in S&L

Ashkandi doesn't sound like a Common word, it doesn't even sound Thalassian either. If anything it sounds more Draconic, imo... People have the theory that the sword was transformed to give it Draconic images, could it also be possible that its name was also changed? Could Ashkandi be infact Quel'Zaram? Note that both are said to be "Greatswords". Both appear to be two-handed weapons, and both seem to share similar build.-Baggins 17:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The only thing that could mess with this theory is that both Quel'Zaram and Ashkandi are listed as seperate swords, or at least having seperate stats in the RPG. Quel'Zaram appears in Shadows and Light, and Ashkandi appears in Monster Guide. Its also interesting to note that Monster Guide does not draw any connection between Ashkandi and Anduin Lothar.Baggins 17:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

"Lother swung his sword up to block the vicious attack, and took the full force of the swing upon his blade-- --which shattered from the impact."[1] (ToD #?) That passage probably provides the reason why Ashkandi looks draconic now. Nefarian must have acquired the pieces and reforged the blade in his own image. --Shalkis 06:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Remember as far as we know Ashkandi is not the same weapon, that is only speculation. As far as published lore has stated we only know Quel'Zaram and the Ashkandi are two seperate weapons. No do we know if the Great Royal Sword is the Ashkanidi.Baggins 06:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ashkandi has nothing to do with Anduin Lothar Edit

For one, Lothar's sword was SHATTERED in it's fight with Doomhammer. It is unlikely that Nefarian would simply pick up a random broken sword and choose to corrupt it into a demonic artifact. For two, Turalyon picked Lothar's sword up from the battlefield and then led the Alliance troops to victory. Afterwards, he probably took it back to Stormwind, where his statue clearly depicts him carrying the broken sword. We must also consider Lothar's age and while he may have been able to carry a two handed sword in one hand in his youth and may have been strong as an ox in his venerable years, it's unlikely he could have possibly carried a sword as large as Ashkandi.ArmadilloHD (talk) 12:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Please sign your comments. I would almost agree with you, if the statements connecting Ashkandi to Lothar weren't under a speculation banner in the speculation section. We do allow speculation as long as it has substantial evidence to suggest it and is labeled accurately. And this particular piece of speculation is some of the strongest around (as in it's safe to assume it's true, but thats a choice everyone can make for themselves). Secondly i have to disagree with your comments about his age and strenght but regardless they are nothing more than an opinion.Warthok Talk Contribs 11:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

If Lothar couldn't lug around a big sword as an old man, how could Aliden Perenolde lug around all his heavy armor as an old man? Or how could Varok Saurfang carry around all his heavy armor AND his axe as an old man? Or Orgrim Doomhammer? Or Tirion Fordring? Or Uther the Lightbringer?

Point is, the "age" thing is more or less irrelevant if you look at all these other fine examples. IconSmall WolvarBig, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 12:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Lothar definitely used a shield when he was fighting. Granted, the man could probably still swing a two handed sword to the end of his life, but it's unlikely he had titan's grip for the rest of his years, swinging around a massive sword with a single hand. I'm fairly sure that plate armor actually isn't that heavy, in fact I can assure you that it wasn't the heaviest armor in the world and it also gave a wide range of movement, or else it just wouldn't be frugal to use. All the rest of the people you mentioned have used extremely heavy looking weaponry into their golden years, but they're not swinging it out will-nilly with a single powerful arm along with a shield. ArmadilloHD (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It could just be me, but wasn't the sword Lothar used at Blackrock, and henceforth got shattered, the Great Royal Sword, and not Quel'Zaram? I could be wrong, but this discussion page is the only place I've heard otherwise. - Boristus, 3 August, 2009

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