Didn't the Deathknights WILLINGLY go into the Lich King's service? Then why would this guy loose control of his body? Omacron 10:33, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
- Some would, some won't. Thus who won't obey will made willingly through Kel'Thuzads special mixture. Refer to the story of Sylvanas Windrunner who became a banshee after she had been struck by Arthas. First, she was a mindless slave of the lich king, but as both, Arthas and the presence of the lich king faded from her, she regained control over her mind again, revolting against the scourge and founding the forsaken...--Thundor 06:27, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
- The short answer is, he's not a Death Knight. KT may call him that, but he is in no way a Death Knight. He is an Undead Paladin, forced into the roll of a Knight that kills for the Scourge. Death Knights must willingly go into service to gain Death Knight powers.Lordrayken (talk) 12:06, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
I just had to think....Couldn't have Blizzard went even a tad further and used the riders a lá Discworld, making Zeliek the counterpart of Kaos, aka Ronnie Soak, the milkman and fifth rider of the apokalypse?--Maibe 19:40, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Most paladins don't actually get to choose whether they want to join the Lich King or not but it doesn't mean they don't enjoy it. If you'd pay attention to Stratholme, you'd find a lone paladin inside a small chapel, named Aurius. Aurius needs an item called the 
[Medallion of Faith] in order to escape the Lich King's corruption. Naturally not all paladins are "worthy" of becoming a deathknight pretty much as not all of the soliders in the War of the Spider turned into Crypt Lords
Maybe he joined the Scourge willingly but regretted his decision. Zarnks 21:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
On the list of famous death knights it says he uses shadow and holy powers. How? I mean
- A.) He's an undead
- B.)He's a Death Knight, the opposite of holy light users
Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 17:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
He has two abilities: Holy Wrath that does Holy damage and Mark of Zeliek that is an AoE/DoT that applies shadow damage. --N'Nanz 10:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
He might be undead but as you can see he still retains his faith in the light and unwillingly must kill for the lich king. They probably take advantage of his faith in the light even in undeath so he can use the holy powers at their will. -- User:Whitedragon254
- Maybe, sort of like how Forsaken can be healed. TheDude 03:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Original and WotLK Stats
This, and many other articles on Naxxramas bosses, has been updated with its post-3.0 health. Should the old, pre-Wrath stats be preserved somehow? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Parall4x (talk · contr).
- They have all been stored (except for the NPC composing the Four Horsemen) as <code>[[NAME (original)]]</code>.
- Full list here : Template:Naxxramas (original)
Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 19:18, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
Sir Zeliek is still a Paladin
Nowhere in game does it say Sir Zeliek became a Death Knight. He is an Undead Paladin who is forced to do the bidding of his master. He has not abandoned his beliefs, or his faith. He is a Paladin in every sense of the class. He does not have Death Knight abilities, he has a specific Mark he is forced to use, and two Paladin abilities. He wears all Paladin armor and even has a Paladin-esque mount. Lordrayken (talk) 01:49, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Qualifications to become an Ex-Paladin:
The Paladin Must:
Cease to be good - Sir Zeliek is as good as ever.
Willfully commits an evil act - Sir Zeliek hates what he is doing and is not willfully doing anything except yelling to help save the adventurers lives - A good act.
Grossly violates the paladin code of conduct - Sir Zeliek has never violated the Paladins Code of Conduct.
A paladin must be of good alignment and loses all light abilities if he ever willingly commits an evil act - Sir Zeliek is the only one in all of Naxx who warns the heroes, and tells them to get out. He cares about their well-being and knows of the horrors within the Necropolis.
He loses all paladin spells and abilities - This is what happens to Ex-Paladins. Has Sir Zeliek lost his Paladin Abilities? No? He is not an Ex-Paladin then! Lordrayken (talk) 02:07, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I was wandering about this fact myself and came to same conclusions. Maybe it's like in the hunter article. Remember that there is a difference between being a hunter as in a profession, wich can be performed by any class, anyone can kill animals for food and learn to track them; and fighting like a hunter, using pets, ranged weapons and speed. Sir Zeliek is a paladin in class (that is his fighting style), but he is a "death knight" in profession (he serves as an undead risen champion, not necesarily using death knight powers to do so).
- Think this can help the confusion a bit? or only mix it up more? Any toughts? Torg Snowflake (talk) 10:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Impressive Paladin
I agree totally with the previous statement, the fact is a Death Knight uses opposing powers to a Paladin, much like his Four Horseman shadowey counterpart Lady Blemaux. It can also be seen that a Paladin turned scourge Death Knight tends to have a personality change also. When we look at Blemaux for example, she, assuming she was once a Paladin, would have been ardently devoted to the Light and the principles that a Paladin must follow. This coupled with her use of shadow powers confirms her transformation into a Death Knight. Where as with Zeliek not only has no observable change in personality, still filled with mercy and sympathy for the foolish adventurers coming into Naxxramas and warning them to get out. Confirmation of his untarnished position as a Paladin is that he still uses Holy power as has been actively discussed. Without any observable change in either his personality or his abillity to use Holy magics or attacks we can - I feel - confirm he is a paladin... all be it a dead one :)
Might I also add as a foot note that it is a testiment to his faith and slatwart devotion to his faith in the Light that he not only can he resist the Lich King's corrupting influence, retaininng his personality but that he uses Light abillities in an undead body. This would be excrutiatingly painful (as although it is not impossible for an Undead person to use Light magic, it does not agree with the host and actively works against them, as when an Undead is healed via Light magic it doesn't heal the wound, it sauterising it, burning it shut.) I admire this Paladin. --Paladin-General of Stormwind 22:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)