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Stone Lord

Thanks for updating this article--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:00, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Titanic watcher

Hmm i don't want to be rude but Auraya is part of the Ulduar group..., she doesn't have her own icon because nobody bothered to do it yet... I also think it's better if it's organized by which place they are assigned... than this way --Ashbear160 (talk) 16:51, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Stormcub12

i need help with my page...and how do i get my page to the class ideas page under the Necromancer?...plez help a noob—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stormcub12 (talk · contr).

ya..and my page is in boxes...how do i get it to normal?

o...ok so how do i move it to the class ideas then?

thank you for helping me...when i go on other peorples wiki it dosnt look like mine...how do i change mine to make it look good to read? and did you read it?

Cannon

I've been browseing WoWWiki for the past few weeks and have noticed alot of articles containing references to the board games, novels, comics, and other related media not outlined in the Warcraft games' lore. I have been an avid follower of Blizzard and thier software releases for a very long time, and I've come to discover that alot of Lore holes outlined in the official games have been filled in by the books/comics/etc. Some of this has altered views of major participants in the Warcraft Universe. Are we to accept this as official cannon? And if not should we denote that when referenced it is plausible?

An Example: On one of the pages referencing Arthas in Northrend it is stated that he returned from the cavern of Frostmourne and slaughtered his troops, raising them into undeath, and bringing them back to Lorderan to purge the great kingdom. This is never fully explained in Warcraft III: The Reign of Chaos,(To my waning memory anyway.) isn't it possible that he left the troops back at his base alone? It is obvious he raised the Captain into undeath, but this could be explained by the troops he took with him into the waygate. Isn't it also possible that he just blantantly murdered the rest of his men, leaving them for dead? --Sir Tristram (talk) 04:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It is the practice of Wowpedia to document all sources of Warcraft lore, including but not limited to all of the sources that you have mentioned. As far as how it is specifically handled, you would probably want to read our avoidance of the word "canon", the Neutrality policy, and the Lore policy. I hope that helps.
As for the time between the "Frostmourne" mission and the "Arthas' Betrayal" cinematic, it is one of the sketchier areas in the plot. In Warcraft III, it is just said that he ran off into the frozen wastes of Northrend, and went insane due to Frostmourne. It is never revealed how he got home, just that he did. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King avoids the time period, only showing what Warcraft III did (plus a letter that Arthas wrote to his father somehow). In Lands of Mystery, it is said that survivors of Arthas' and Muradin's expeditions founded Valgarde, so some did survive (expanding on the known survivors shown in The Frozen Throne's undead campaign). However, the quest N [80] Army of the Damned shows that Arthas did kill a great deal of his own men, who marched on Icecrown for unexplained reasons. Also, there are a lot of ghosts at the Forgotten Shore, and in the Halls of Reflection. Death Knight is probably the best depiction of these events, where it shows Arthas making his two captains (or just Falric) and Thassarian into death knights. The waygate (which Arthas: Rise of the Lich King exchanges for a magic non-teleporting lodestone that Muradin had) happened long before anyone became undead in all sources, meaning that the forces that killed Mal'Ganis were alive at the time. Anything you read about this period on Wowpedia is likely extrapolation from all of that, but it is likely that Arthas killed most of his men somewhere between the death of Mal'Ganis and his return home. I'll admit that I might be missing something... like a source that comes out and says that Arthas killed all of his men and sailed home... but I do not think so.--SWM2448 20:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the Clarification SWM2448. --IconSmall Falric Sir Tristram (Speak, mortal. My Conquests.) 02:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Glad to help.--SWM2448 02:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Addendum; Does N [80] Army of the Damned apply to the forces back at his base or the few he took with him?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir Tristram (talk · contr).
I'm guessing you are differentiating between the force the player would take to kill Mal'Ganis, and the units and builds that were left at the base. Are you referring to something else? To anwser your question, I do not actually know where the 1st Legion came from, or what they are. They are in Icecrown, while Arthas' main base was (I'm guessing) at the Forgotten Shore. I have no idea what makes up the units displayed in that quest, and more importantly, what does not.--SWM2448 04:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
That is exactly what I was refereing to. And atleast you're not the only one who doesn't know.--IconSmall Falric Sir Tristram (Speak, mortal. My Conquests.) 18:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
If you notice any information like this that is not cited, please either try and fix it or bring it to the attention of someone so that they can fix it. What passage started this conversation?--SWM2448 20:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't know, I know I was reading WoWWiki so it might be fixed already.--IconSmall Falric Sir Tristram (Speak, mortal. My Conquests.) 21:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

NIWA Affiliation

Greetings! I'm Xizor, and I represent the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance. I am the NIWA Coordinator, and as such, I've been made aware of your guys' split from Wikia, and also WoWwiki. While obviously World of Warcraft is not part of Nintendo's franchises, NIWA is very open to affiliating with non-Nintendo Wikis, even if they do not become members. As such, I would love it if you guys would like to affiliate with NIWA. You can find more information, including my email address on that site. Let me know if you have any questions! If there is some other Administrator I should contact, please point me in that direction, also. =P Hope to hear back soon! --Xizor (talk) 22:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hello.

I just wanted to solicit your opinion on whether {{Instancefooter}} should replace {{Dungeons}}} or not.

Thanks.

IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 06:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Firelands

Here's link to a video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDZcMD5m4Q, 8.40 is when he starts talking about Firelands, and said artwork is at 9.05... Now I think Blizzcon is actually a verfiable source... Add ref in the article too Encaitar (talk) 10:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

See Gourra's talk page

User_talk:Gourra#Can_you_fix_Pyroblast.3F. Notifying you, in case Gourra doesn't check his talk page. --Gengar orange 22x22 Fandyllic (talk · contribs) 5:26 PM PST 9 Dec 2010

Cape of Stranglethorn's categories

Just a minor issue: Since The Barrens get the "The", I believe all the categories with Cape of Stranglethorn should have that same "The" added since that's the name of the "zone". Renkien (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The actual zone may be known as "The Barrens" on the map and minimap but Wowpedia policy dictates (unless something changed without my knowledge) that articles such as "The" be omitted from page titles, due to the often-reinforced assumption that you will find the phrases "Barrens" and "the Barrens" just as much as "The Barrens". You can vote to change or enforce this policy here (yes, the vote has been going on for two and a half years).--SWM2448 02:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong uploads

I forgot completely that I should be uploading new versions of the old npc photos instead of uploading into a new file. I'd have to ask for you to track them (they're from two hours ago untill now) and delete them. Renkien (talk) 02:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Even the ones that are currently being used?--SWM2448 03:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The ones I uploaded are named [NPC's name] + "(cata)".jpg
Those are the ones you should delete. I'll upload them as an update to the old ones shortly after that, don't worry about it. Renkien (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll also create a list of those files here:
Kizz Bluntstrike (cata).jpg
Rickle Goldgrubber (cata).jpg
Crank Fizzlebub (cata).jpg
Fin Fizracket (cata).jpg
Nixxrax Fillamug (cata).jpg
First Mate Crazz (cata).jpg
Jaxin Chong (cata).jpg
Glyx Brewright (cata).jpg
Isn't there a way for me (the actual uploader) to delete or transfer those files? Renkien (talk) 00:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll delete them if you are going to replace them. As a normal editor, you can not delete images.--SWM2448 02:01, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I see... I uploaded them in their right places and replaced the name in the respective npcs' pages.
Are you going to do anything about the Cape of Stranglethorn? (the above topic) Renkien (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Image

That's funny... they didn't even bother getting the image you uploaded right from the source... just took from here. [1]. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Brain fart... How can you tell? Not that I do not believe you. The "400px-" taken from here?--SWM2448 05:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
The file name and it's size. When you right click to save the image as it appears on the file's page, it will try to rename the images to how they have it named at wowwiki. Actual size is 550 × 825 while displayed its 400 × 600, the exact size of theres =P SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
You say "they" but the uploader edited on both wikis.[2][3] Damn Trade Princess fan bias...--SWM2448 05:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh... well, just noting, cause I found it interesting... when the direct source is just a few clicks away. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 05:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I wish someone would take WoWWiki out behind the shed and shoot it. I didn't know about the new site until today, and suddenly it made sense why everything on there said "When Cataclysm comes out..." Zanmen (talk) 05:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, there are many articles to update, I'm sure many still say that here as well... probably not as much, but some. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:07, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Well Zanmen, I welcome your help and input.--SWM2448 06:10, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm more of a reader than an editor (like most people). While I'm here I guess I might as well say keep it up though. Wowhead has its place, but you won't find write-ups on important characters/events on a database site. Zanmen (talk) 06:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I have a question. Many of the NPCs on the Bilgewater Harbour article appear in multiple places. Should there be a Bamm Megabomb and Bamm Megabomb (Azshara) or something? He goes from level 6, to 10, to 25... Zanmen (talk) 06:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... Sorry about that. I'm not sure. If they are very different NPCs, then I would suggest multiple pages. If they are the same except for quests and locations, then perhaps there should only be one page. I do not know.--SWM2448 19:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I guess I'll let more experienced users take care of such things. (Although I don't feel bad if even you aren't sure how to handle it.) Thanks anyway. Zanmen (talk) 10:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

It was never said that undead were unable to use the light

The Cited pages from the page infact mentioned nothing of it. It was just fanfiction presented as fact.

We were fooled for years.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Talk:Forsaken#.22While_they_can_no_longer_use_the_Holy_Light.22

Also Bornakk says the undead can use the holy light and the fact that it feels painful does not change that he says it heals them. Copperblast (talk) 05:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I know about both parts. However, those pages should not be, in my opinion, for lore discussion.--SWM2448 06:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding my 2 cents. Sandwichman could you vote in Category talk:Patch templates, regarding the change of icon in Cataclysm Patch templates. I would be very grateful:) IconSmall BloodElf2 Male Encaitar (DiscussionDeeds) 23:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Sandwichman we need your help again:), the Alliance-Horde War article is constantly changed to include Malfurion as an Alliance commander, while he actually doesn't take part in the conflict similar to Lady Liadrin, Hamuul Runetotem, Varok Saurfang or even Thrall who are not listed. Could you please visit Talk:Alliance–Horde War and discuss. I really think he doesn't fit there, as he is more neutral as leader of Cenarion Circle (just like the 4 Horde commanders who simply do not take part in the war eventhough they're in the Horde). Thanks in advance IconSmall BloodElf2 Male Encaitar (DiscussionDeeds) 20:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Gallywix citations

All of those things were important events in the starting zone. They're a huge part of the goblin starting zone, please play thourhg the goblin starting zone or watch a video of it before you star making accusations of bias. Copperblast (talk) 08:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Then it should be easy to cite.--SWM2448 17:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Ty very much for welcoming me :). --Forsakenlord (talk) 20:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Should we list kil'jaedan as lich king enemy?

hey should we list kil'jaeden as one of lich king enemies since he was the creator and ner'zhul back stabbed him by telling illldan About skull of gul'dan also merging with arthas.--Forsakenlord (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

List him where?--SWM2448 01:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Lich king page?--Forsakenlord (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Where on the Lich King page? The infobox? Isn't Kil'jaedan already mentioned somewhere on the page? You do not really have to ask...--SWM2448 01:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
On "enemies" section along with Tiron sylvannas and players....--Forsakenlord (talk) 01:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Sure. That section is lacking anyway.--SWM2448 01:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for giving me access to User:SamRosenfeld/Change_In_Money. I have copied the code and you may redelete the page. Do you know if there are any free program that let me compile HTML so that I can write files in HTML but do not have to publish them online in order to view them? Sam613 (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

HTML-Kit?--SWM2448 18:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Users in categories?

Why is the User:mylork in the artifact category are users allowed to do that?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

It was an error that came about due to the splitting of the "The Skull of Gul'dan" article. The entire lore page, and its categories, was transcluded in the stead of the item's information.--SWM2448 01:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Warcraft Adventures

Please, don't tell too much people, at least not until the entire game has been recorded, don't want anyone to step in and delete the videos :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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