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Overhaul of Patch_mirrors page

Blizzard is finally offering REAL patch files to 4.01.13164 & 4.0.1.13205, as evident by this page (Atomicgamer for instance offers those files too): http://games.on.net/filelist.php?app=178&menu=1

I believe it's time to edit the page so we can list patches for each region again, as before, not just those MPG & TFIL files.

Existence WoWWiki

How long will WoWWiki be online yet? I may want to copy/paste articles from there when the articles there are more recent than those that have already been copied to here. Hans Kamp (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikia will maintain WoWWiki indefinitely. --Pcj (T•C) 19:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then I won't have to rush the editing of the articles. :) Hans Kamp (talk) 19:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

An offer of service

Now that we have made the transition - and I hope that Blizzard does too - I offer what service I can provide...such as it is. :) --Joshmaul (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Um, thanks? Just change WoWWiki to Wowpedia where it makes sense to, as well as any other outdated stuff. --Pcj (T•C) 19:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Has there been a move to change the site on Blizzard's fansite listing? --Joshmaul (talk) 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

We're working on it. Kaydeethree is going to talk to them at Blizzcon. --Pcj (T•C) 19:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit Count Display and Quantity Errors

Just happened to notice that the edit count is not showing on user pages and there is a significant discrepancy between the old and the new. Past that, grats on the move and I again think it is for the better in the long term. Ariule (talk)

Yeah, we're aware of the problem. Unfortunately, I don't think there's much that can be done. --Pcj (T•C) 00:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

If there is nothing to be done, then that is the way it shall be. Not a problem at all, just wanted it to be on the "aware" list. Ariule (talk)

Did the edit counts get completely reset as it appears from this side? Ariule (talk)

They're reset, but obviously they can be re-figured from counting your contributions. Which is a big chore for as many users as we have. --Pcj (T•C) 01:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Again, not a problem, It was fun watching the counter click and making it the 1k club was cool and all that. Perhaps a "Feat of Strength Achievement" seal and new seals for the new edit clubs. Just a thought. Ariule (talk)

On Name Changes...

Don't mean to be rude or anything, but if it's not too much trouble, could I maybe get my username changed to Teth? Thanks. -- Sebreth (T.C) 02:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Pcj (T•C) 02:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Huh. I thought it'd be more of a bother than that. Thanks a ton, bro. --

Teth (T.C) 02:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Rename

Now that you're here, do you want a name change? You don't need the WoWWiki- prefix anymore. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 04:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please. Suzaku will suffice. WoWWiki-Suzaku (talk) 04:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Chrome search title

Congrats on the move! I wanted to report an error I noticed earlier searching the site via the Google Chrome omnibar. Quick recap: Chrome recognizes searches on a site, and thenceforth when it sees you typing the url it will offer you the ability to press tab and enter keywords to search using the site's search functionality. When you do press tab, Chrome places an icon on the left side of the omnibar that says "Search [site name]:". When I searched Wowpedia for the first time, [site name] is still "WoWWiki" according to Chrome. I don't know where it pulls this name from, but apparently it didn't get changed over. Threw me for a loop for a second. I'm aware you can change this name manually, which I've done, but obviously the default should be fixed.

TLDR: The Chrome omnibar search functionality still calls Wowpedia "WoWWiki".

...and grr, it looks like I'm unable to repro this; when I delete the search from Chrome and make it re-generate it, "wowpedia.org" is displayed now. Still could be because of my edit though, so I guess I'll let you guys take a look at it just to be sure. Perhaps you fixed it already. - Jerodast (talk) 08:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Sidebar & Other Graphical Improvements

Hi Pcj,
Congrats on the move and a new shiny Vector skin.
If you are wondering how to have a 100% customisable sidebar with minimal fuss, Aionopedia uses an extensions named CustomNavBlocks or sumthing like that.
Also for the edit article box that in typing this in, you may want to consider using the UsabilityInitiative until they have a easily plug-in for CKEditor.
If you want sum help with customising the Vector skin i know it very well and more than help you out. Aionopedia Bohtauri (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Not particularly interested, thanks. --Pcj (T•C) 13:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikia reference in DNP policy

Hiya! Just randomly trawling around the new site (love it, btw), and came across a reference to Wikia's ToU (and a broken link, to boot). Specifically, in the [DNP Policy] article. I'm not sure where that link really should point, and it's an important enough part of the policies that I really don't want to get it wrong. So, the next best option seems to be "alert an admin". Well, consider yourself alerted. :) --PaxArcana (talk) 04:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

ru.wow.wikia.com -> www.wowpedia.ru

Please modify interwiki links. We did it on www.wowpedia.ru. Thx. Strizh (talk) 13:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Will do, most of the Curse staff is busy with Blizzcon atm so it may be next week. --Pcj (T•C) 13:23, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, now it's done. There seems to be some sort of hidden "job queue" while it goes through all the pages. --Pcj (T•C) 03:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Please modify interwiki links from wowpedia.ru to www.wowpedia.ru (trouble with search engine indexes). Thx. Strizh (talk) 08:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

User Account Migration

Hi there. Just following up on this discussion, where foxlit mentioned some Perl scripts you used to import user accounts. I was just wondering if you could let me know how this worked, and what you used? Many thanks Adam (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple File Upload Page Broken

Recieve the following error with both FireFox and IE

Fatal error: Call to undefined method UploadForm::UploadForm() in /home/wowpedia/public_html/extensions/MultiUpload/SpecialMultipleUpload.body.php on line 72

Posted it here Forum:Multiple Upload Page Error But was unsure if in the chaos of the move it may simply have been overlooked.

Please advise. Ariule (talk) 01:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

e-mail validation not working

Hey there, since you "pulled" me over, I thought I'd make it your problem :p
Taking over my account here worked fine, except setting my e-mail address seems to cause some troubles => I don't receive the validation e-mail. Now I don't know whether gmail blocks it or wowpedia does not send it, but I just checked the spam to be sure. So maybe there's a problem with the mailserver setup? -watchou T 02:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

great, a classic. Just tried again and this time it worked... So everything's fine the prim is back -watchou T 02:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Nice. :) --Pcj (T•C) 02:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Nested sidebar site navigation

Please see MediaWiki talk:Sidebar. --Timeshifter (talk) 09:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar has been archived here:

User:Timeshifter/Monaco-sidebar

I think MediaWiki:Sidebar here could be opened in edit mode, and some or all of the old Monaco site navigation could be added to the bottom. I believe the Vector skin would automatically put nearly all of it in nested form. With open/close arrows. I am curious if that is true. If that is true, then if things don't work out at Wikia I may move my wiki to a wiki farm that has the Vector skin. I don't know how long it will be though, before the MediaWiki-based wiki farms upgrade to version 1.16 of MediaWiki. I believe version 1.16 is the first non-beta version with the Vector skin as the default skin. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Item template is causing infinite loop

I tried to use that template in Patch_4.0.3_(undocumented_changes) but why does it cause an infinite loop? In User:Hans_Kamp/Test and here it doesn't: [Peacebloom]. Please try to fix it. Then I will see what changes you made to prevent the loop. Hans Kamp (talk) 06:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

This was caused because of the missing of the tooltip of Justice point. The tooltip is placed at the left. That needs yet to be fixed. I wonder how you will fix it, because copying the text of the article to a new one places the tooltip to the left for reasons, not known by me. Hans Kamp (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it myself. The name parameter of {{tooltip}} must be exactly the same (case sensitive) as the article name. Hans Kamp (talk) 07:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Had to Re-login again.

Hey Pcj, its me Sairez, I was doing some edits and noticed that I while I cruising the site I was logged out and I didn't log myself out. I don't why it logged me out. --Sairez (talk) 04:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Banning Sannse

Good day Pcj, I would ask you to reconsider your recent ban of Sannse. While I'm aware that it is in response to events at WoWWiki, I would suggest that we should not allow ourselves to stoop to their level. Let Wikia's foolish actions expose themselves for who they are, and let the community judge with its choice of where to go. We don't need to do anything to help them shoot themsleves in the foot. They (Wikia) do a good job of that on their own these days. For your consideration, Ddcorkum (talk) 02:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

See this edit for the reason. --k_d³ 02:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Seen -- I guessed it was in relation to that, but admittedly when I read Sannse' comment I don't understand what the "problem" is exactly. Is it that contributions were copied over? Ddcorkum (talk) 02:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

If you could figure out what Sannse's actually saying I'd award you an internet or two. --k_d³ 02:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

"This problem" = Sannse being on Wowpedia? Sannse editing Wowpedia while being associated with Sannse (as opposed to a fresh sockpuppet)? Wowpedia as a whole? I want an internet... Edit: Based on kd3's comment/hint, does Sannse think that we would use the copied account for slander?--SWM24 48 03:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thank you for taking your time to look over my work and edit where you saw fit. it helps me a lot to see what mistakes i've made and all for i am still new to editing and adding information to this site. though i plan to be a heavy contributer.

Kinaria (talk) 18:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry, it's at Magma Plated Battlearmor (heroic) now. --Pcj (T•C) 19:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Question about making New item Pages.

When i make a new Item page.. i copy the entire page of an Old item and just make name and stat changes and then when i save it.. the item box is on the left side of the page when it should be on the Right side. how do i fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kinaria (talk · contr).

The item name in the tooltip has to match the name of the page, or you have to use the disambigpage parameter. See {{tooltip}} for more details. --Pcj (T•C) 20:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

thank you! Kinaria (talk) 20:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

BTW, this is case sensitive. Hans Kamp (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Cannot make edits anymore.

When I do an edit to an article, I get "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in." Hans Kamp (talk) 10:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Broken template?

It seems the template - ~~1337~~ - (or whatever this is) intended for the currency "Honor Point" redirects to the in-game location with the same name instead. Just click the pic and you'll notice. I don't know how to fix it, but perhaps you do? Just thought I'd mention it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WrathOfDeathfrost (talk · contr).

Fixed. --Pcj (T•C) 17:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Argh, one second too late on adding my signature which I noticed I'd forgotten... but thanks for the help! WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 17:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Your userpage

"There's a problem with your tooltips/the AJAX RC..."
"...or Wikia changed something..."

While I agree they fail on a depressingly regular basis, they won't be responsible for any problems now. Update? :-)

Sorry for bothering you over something so trivial, when I get bored I just wander around the wiki so occasionally notice stuff like this. A F K When Needed 21:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Good catch, thanks. --Pcj (T•C) 21:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Content needs revising since the split.

Hey, i was looking at Wowpedia:FAQ#Chat and noticed some of it hasn't been revised since the split, and is now out-of-date, was going to edit it, but im not sure what to change it to. Loremaster Mosios ( ) 14:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Faction split quest pages

Noticed your edits of the Elemental Unrest Phase 4 quest pages, looks like WoWWiki never had that sort of nifty faction integration. Deepred (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

A question about one of your latest templates

Hello, I found this template today: {{Faction switch}}. It's been a time since I've wanted to make my own template with that "switch window" feature, but only a few wikis used it, and it was a mess of a code. It's the first time I see it at WoWPedia, and it seems easier than I originally expected.

Would you mind explaining (shortly) how it works, or linking some tutorial? (I'm not sure how this functionality is called, so it's hard to find anything around it)

My main objective is to apply it to {{Bookfooter}}, allowing you to see the different sections without having to open new articles. If it works, I could try making something similar for {{Dungeons}} (currently being discussed as to be split or not).

Hope you can lend me a hand. Thanks from advance :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 13:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Category Deletion

I noticed you deleted Category:Casual guilds, however we currently have both Category:PvP guilds and Category:PvE guilds. If we're willing to have guild pages broken down in that manner, why would Casual or RP guilds not have the same treatment? Hooper (talk) 17:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

RP guilds do receive the same treatment, casual guilds are not the same type of breakdown. --Pcj (T•C) 17:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

May I ask that you explain your reasoning a bit? I would argue that they are the exact same type of breakdown, being one of the only four types of guilds I've ever heard of in four years of playing, and seeing the term used exactly the same as the three categories of guilds we currently have when guilds recruit. Hooper (talk) 17:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

So what do you think of when you say "casual"? You do both PvE and PvP - maybe a little RP? Then put all the categories on there. I'm not seeing the issue. --Pcj (T•C) 17:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Casual is exactly what the term means. To place one of the other terms would imply that a guild actively pursues to be that type, like PvE, PvP, and RP guilds do - which is why they use those terms when advertising. A casual guild may do both but is not actively pursuing to do them or defining their entire guild structure around one or the other. Its not a big deal, I just don't understand why it wouldn't be given the same treatment. Hooper (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Kirsten Westmill and future pages.

I took a picture of her when I gathered the info, but I couldn't find it when I was checking my screenshot folder. Thanks for uploading picture of her, I appreciate it!! I'll be updating any new NPCs/Mobs I found since the new patch. Thanks for the welcoming as well! Killmehorde (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Just thoguht you should be aware

A user decided to do some vandalizing on his way out of WoWWiki over to Wowpedia. http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Takakenji Deadlykris (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Obsolte quests protocol

Could you help me find the policies governing pages covering now obsolete questlines, NPCs, etc.? I'm looking for pages to clean up and there are still a lot of them about quests that no longer exist. Are we preserving this information? Let me know how I can help out! (You can respond here or on my talk page, whichever is easier.) -- Metaneira (talk) 20:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick follow-up: if we add the {{Removedfromgame}} template, should we remove the other categories? I would think that the "Quests in Feralas" category, for example, should only contain current quests, but what's the policy? -- Metaneira (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

And one more question -- I'm assuming that some categories are added from templates (e.g., Quest:Natural Materials). Do we have an obsolete questbox template to use that won't populate categories? Or do I just remove the questbox? (Sorry for bugging you so much!) -- Metaneira (talk) 21:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Magni Bronzebeard

Why does it have "====  ====" creating empty calories in the TOC? I figured I'd ask the nearest admin since you left my welcome message. --Espantish (talk) 04:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Huh, that's annoying. Thanks for pointing it out, we'll look at it. --Pcj (T•C) 04:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Alright, cool. While I have your attention, is there a script or some tool people use to import item and quest data? I'd like to help if I can, but I don't want to bang my head against any tables unnecessarily. --Espantish (talk) 04:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Someone else answered on my talk page. Thanks anyway! Keep up the good work. --Espantish (talk) 05:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Wowpedia:Autoconfirmed users

Is this not true? It says I am an autoconfirmed user. Funny Bunny (talk) 01:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, you portrayed it incorrectly, the effect is unintentional if it exists. Not that it matters much for now. --Pcj (T•C) 01:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet blocking

I'm assuming you're using CheckUser to determine this? -- Fandyllic (talk · contribs) 10:13 PM PST 6 Dec 2010

Why do you care? Yes. --Pcj (T•C) 05:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent Armory link changes

Looks like you changed all the old wowarmory.com links to use the new battle.net URL's. There's just one problem. In the URL the realm names and character names need to be lower cased; otherwise, you get a big "character not found" error page. Edit: Or not, it appears to be something else. Edit again: Oh, it's a dash rather than a plus for a space in realm's name. —EGingell^TC Treader of Cenarion Circle 21:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Meh, it wasn't working anyway. I tried a couple of links and they seemed to work, though. --Pcj (T•C) 21:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Spaces are converted to "-" and apostrophes are stripped (Anub'arak => Anubarak and Cenarion Circle => Cenarion-Circle); however, the URL is not case-sensitive. It's quite dumb, really. —EGingell^TC Treader of Cenarion Circle 22:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Support from Blizzard?

The other day I was having a look at my characters on battle.net. Hovering over a profession will display two external links for that profession, to Wowhead and Wowpedia (which I guess you know anyway...). I know wowhead is pretty popular, but it surprised me they had included Wowpedia. I thought Blizzard were hesitant when it came to supporting Wowpedia, which is why Wowpedia is hosted by Curse instead. Have they mentioned anything else concerning any cooperation, or did it just appear out of the blue? WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

We were already aware of it. --Pcj (T•C) 20:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Yea, but are they doing anything else besides linking to us, such as considering hosting us (if it would be needed) or donating? I'm just asking out of curiosity. WrathOfDeathfrost (talk) 16:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

We'll be working with them more going forward. I doubt WoWWiki will have much pull. Blizzard hosting us was always a pipe dream. --Pcj (T•C) 04:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

NPC code issue

I copied the page from another NPC, and just changed the names. Morris_Lawry If there is a template to use instead, I will be more than happy to use such. Ariule (talk)

Thanks for the link. I will add it to the toolbox.

Boss loot

This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: New user adding external links/videos

Please advise.

Broken css

Your css appears to be fatally broken. Please fix it. --Wynthyst (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh... nvm, it seems to be a server glitch cuz it's fine now :D --Wynthyst (talk) 21:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

removing my additions?

Why do you keep removing my additions of videos to the sections? I've worked very hard on these and they offer something the others don't.

Per WP:EL, you need at least 10 valid edits to the wiki before posting external links. --Pcj (T•C) 00:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand this, but the only additions I have to make are my videos. Which are valid and helpful. Other videos of mine have been posted on this site before and now I'm just doing it myself rather than asking others to do it for me. I'm positive if my name were Totalbiscuit this would not be an issue.Mojomaker (talk) 00:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

You'll be fine now, the problem is we have been flooded with people adding YouTube videos and there really isn't time to go through each one to assess its quality so we needed some policy to moderate it. Since you seem to be staying with Wowpedia and not just a drive-by spammer it will be all right to go ahead and post your videos. Thanks for your understanding. --Pcj (T•C) 00:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the understanding. I'll continue to post the best information I can!Mojomaker (talk) 00:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

help please

hi whats up? i was wondering if there was any active wowpedia people...

What do you need? --Pcj (T•C) 13:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information on reasons for policies / DNP policy in specific

Hi, found you via Special:Listusers/sysop, I am new here but not new to wikis :)

I would be interested in hearing any feedback admins have to this: Wowpedia_talk:DNP_policy#Reasons_for_policies.3F (figured it's probably not a page that is read/used much so I'm messaging you all, I couldn't find a noticeboard page though I found what looks like a rather out-of-date list of admins hehe) --Kittymew (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Patch template

Hey Pcj. I have a question regarding the WoW Patch templates. It appears that Cata patches use this before the patch number etc, which is quite long while they could use which is much shorter and more in-style of previous expansions' patches which used shorter inlines before them - and .:) Encaitar (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Hey, just wanted to get your opinion on Talk:Archbishop Benedictus about whether or not the "he staged a coup" note from patch 1.4.1 should be considered lore or not. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Blizzard Armory links to deleted pages on Wowpedia

Hi, I've been using the Blizzard Armory to read up on items and for some things (maybe all), it has a link to Wowpedia (nice!). However, when I clicked on the Wowpedia link for "Design: Delicate Chimera's Eye", it gave me a page that said it had been deleted moved (by you?) with this comment "Mass deletion of pages added by Cannibaleyez".

I don't know why the page was deleted, but is there any intent to make sure that links from Blizzard go to actual pages (even if they're just stubs)?

Tulonsae (talk) 11:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Page was deleted, cause Cannibaleyez created a bunch of pages with things like "Design: Delicate Chimera's Eye" and that's it... just a repeat of what the article name was.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 05:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)