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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Blue Dragonflight|Blue]] |
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| − | {{for|related articles|:Category:Warriors}} |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Green Dragonflight|Green]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Bronze Dragonflight|Bronze]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Black Dragonflight|Black]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Netherwing Dragonflight|Netherwing]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Chromatic Dragonflight|Chromatic]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Twilight Dragonflight|Twilight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Infinite Dragonflight|Infinite]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Plagued Dragonflight|Plagued]] |
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| + | ==Simplification== |
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| − | [[File:Swagdog_Custom_T-shirt_Warrior_Class_Icon.jpg| thumb| New Class Icon]] |
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| + | With the new templates for the flights i was thinking of removing a few things from this template to make pages a little less bulky. was wondering what everyone thought of removing 'Dragons Of Nightmare' 'Factions' (since both are already in their resppeciv flight's templates) a few noteable members etc....[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 07:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | '''Warriors''' are [[melee]] fighters highly trained in the arts of weaponry. They are strong and quick on the battlefield. As such they can deal large amounts of damage; they are also capable of withstanding large amounts of damage to protect other party members. [[Warrior abilities]] depend on [[rage]] generation. This is different to all but one melee class, which is the druid; specifically a druid in bear form. Rage is generated through damage being dealt to and by the warrior and is capped at 100. Warriors have several talents capable of aiding rage generation. |
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| − | Warriors can change between three combat [[stance]]s: Battle Stance, Defensive Stance and Berserker Stance. Many abilities have a stance requirement. However, stances give the class a fluid play style allowing the player a variety of responses to any given [[PvE]] or [[PvP]] situation. Warriors can wear any type of armor; [[plate]] armour becomes available at level 40. They are able to use shields and can wield any weapon with the exception of [[wand]]s and [[relic]]s. |
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| + | ==Dragonflights== |
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| − | The primary warrior attributes are [[Attributes#strength|strength]] and [[Attributes#stamina|stamina]]. [[Attributes#Agility|Agility]] is also useful while levelling as [[Critical_strike#Critical_Strike_Rating|critical strike rating]] on gear is rare until later levels. Warrior-oriented gear found towards end-game provides a wider range of attributes. Gear oriented specifically to damage dealing warriors may include [[Critical_strike#Critical_Strike_Rating|critical strike rating]], [[armor penetration#armor_penetration_rating|armor penetration]] or [[haste#haste_rating|haste]]. Gear oriented to warrior tanks usually includes some combination of [[defense rating]], [[block value]], [[block rating]], [[dodge rating]] or [[parry rating]]. [[hit_rating#Calculating_miss_rate|Hit rating]] or [[expertise_rating#Expertise_and_Expertise_Rating|expertise rating]] are also commonly found on gear and can be useful for warriors performing either role. It can be difficult to find rings or cloaks with the relevant attributes. As such warriors may improvise; for example, damage dealing warriors may seek "rogue" items that contain agility and attack power in place of elusive items containing strength. |
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| + | Do Proto-Dragons and the Frostbrood really count as their own dragonflights? I haven't seen any reference to that being the case (and I know we had this discussion earlier about a theoretical Undead Dragonflight with the frost wyrms), but by all means feel free to prove me wrong if it says this somewhere. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 09:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| + | Well, I suppose they don't really count as their own flight, but if you ask me, not putting them there implies that they're a part of another flight, and I say they most certainly aren't. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 00:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Background== |
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| − | {{seealso|List of warriors}} |
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| + | About the proto-dragons, I mean. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 00:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | As long as war is waged on [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]], there will be men and women who fight those wars. The warrior is no mere sword-swinger; they are skilled combatants, combining strength of arm, knowledge of weaponry and practiced maneuvers to slice or bludgeon their foes into little red bits. The warrior is the most versatile of the combat classes, and they supplement their fighting prowess with the ability to rally their allies and spur them to victory, but not only can they rally their allies into victory; they can themselves charge into the heart of the battle, take several lives and live to tell the tale. All races fight, and all races boast many warriors in their ranks. Warriors are common among dwarves, Forsaken, humans, and orcs, but are less so among the other races. Masters of swords, spears, and weapons of all kinds, warriors share a common way of life on Azeroth. Using their abilities to deal pain and cause bloodshed, warriors are deadly adversaries and welcome friends in violent times (which seem to be all the time in recent decades).<ref>''[[World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', 54, 88</ref> Warriors have existed in every race, from the murlocs to the tauren. Anyone willing to take up arms to defend their people can be classed as a warrior. A [[knight]] is the warrior elite among humans. |
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| + | They aren't members of any flight. Not putting them under flights does not imply they are members of one os the listed flights. But they are still listed in the table under types.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 02:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == Notable warriors == |
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| − | *{{Mob|Kargath Bladefist|smallicon=IconSmall Kargath.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Cairne Bloodhoof|smallicon=IconSmall Cairne.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Alliance|Muradin Bronzebeard|smallicon=IconSmall Muradin.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Broxigar||Broxigar the Red|smallicon=IconSmall Orc Male.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Orgrim Doomhammer|smallicon=IconSmall Orgrim.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Durotan|smallicon=IconSmall Orc Male.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Grom Hellscream|smallicon=IconSmall Grom.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Garrosh Hellscream|smallicon=IconSmall Garrosh.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Alliance|Anduin Lothar||Sir Anduin Lothar|smallicon=IconSmall Lothar.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Neutral|Kur'talos Ravencrest|smallicon=IconSmall NightElf Male.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Varok Saurfang|smallicon=IconSmall Varok.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Alliance|Danath Trollbane|smallicon=IconSmall Danath.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Alliance|Varian Wrynn||King Varian Wrynn|smallicon=IconSmall Varian.gif}} |
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| − | *{{NPC|Horde|Dranosh Saurfang|smallicon=IconSmall Mag'har Male.gif}} |
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| + | Well, I'll settle for that I suppose. Now that I think about it, Dragonflights are like...dragons that were enchanted by the Titans. If the name is anything to go by, proto-dragons aren't really part of any because they aren't enchanted. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 20:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == Races == |
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| − | {{main|Warrior races}} |
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| + | Hey, just a lil taste of info further enforcing that proto-dragons are the first dragons, but there are proto-drake mounts for each major Dragonflight color. Bronze = [[Reins of the Time-Lost Proto-Drake]] (even has the word "time" in it!), Blue = [[Reins of the Blue Proto-Drake]], Red = [[Reins of the Red Proto-Drake]], Black = [[Black Proto-Drake]], and Green = [[Reins of the Green Proto-Drake]]. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 20:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | The warrior class can be played by the following races: |
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| + | ::And Violet. Yes the colors exist, i see it as hinting as to how the five colored flights the titans bless originiated from. But i've looked everywhere, quest text, blizzcon transcripts, etc...and i've never heard the word dragonflight or flight assosiated with the proto dragons. A flight is more than just a type of dragon. Think [[Undead dragonflight]].{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 22:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ! colspan="2" | Race !! Strength !! Agility !! Stamina !! Intellect !! Spirit !! Armor !! Health |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;"| {{Race|Blood elf}} {{cata-inline}} |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Forsaken}} |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Goblin}} {{cata-inline}} |
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| − | | 20 || 22 || 22 || 23 || 18 || ? || ? |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Orc}} |
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| − | | 26 || 17 || 23 || 17 || 22 || 34 || 70 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Tauren}} |
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| − | | 28 || 16 || 23 || 16 || 22 || 32 || 71 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Horde Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Troll}} |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Draenei}} {{bc-inline}} |
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| − | | 24 || 17 || 22 || 20 || 22 || 34 || 60 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Dwarf}} |
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| − | | 28 || 16 || 23 || 19 || 19 || 32 || 70 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Gnome}} |
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| − | | 18 || 22 || 22 || 24 || 20 || 44 || 60 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Human}} |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Night elf}} |
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| − | | 19 || 24 || 22 || 20 || 20 || 48 || 60 |
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| − | ! style="text-align:left;" | {{Alliance Icon Small}} !! style="text-align:left;" | {{Race|Worgen}} {{cata-inline}} |
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| − | | 26 || 22 || 22 || 16 || 19 || ? || ? |
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| + | Just found a little thing I'm a little curious about on my DK... |
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| − | Until the [[World of Warcraft: Cataclysm|Cataclysm]] expansion comes out, blood elf players are the only race that cannot be warriors. Blood elf warriors are a standard class for blood elves in the RPG. Some blood elves become warriors (or scouts or hunters) — especially those seeking to be spell breakers, demon hunters, and rangers.<ref>''[[Monster Guide]]'', 65</ref> Upon the release of Cataclysm, warriors will be the first non-hero class to be available to all races. |
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| + | [[Penumbrius]] at the [[Argent Vanguard]] calls the proto-drakes there "kin - blood from ages past." He could just be referring to the fact that they're dragons, but the "blood" remark kind of strikes me as him aiming at something else. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 01:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ===Racial advantages=== |
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| − | *Humans: [[Sword Specialization (human racial)|Sword]] and [[Mace Specialization (human racial)|Mace]] specializations give 3 increased expertise with swords and maces, which are two very popular warrior weapons. Perception passively gives the ability to detect stealthed units, which can be useful for those in PvP situations. Humans also gain the "racial PvP trinket" – [[Every Man for Himself]] – effectively freeing up a trinket slot which warriors might find more useful. |
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| − | *Dwarves: [[Stoneform]] removes poison, disease and bleed effects, and increases armor by 10%. Both of these can be very useful in PvE fights. The additional [[Frost]] resistance is always useful. Increased expertise with maces provides additional threat generation when using them. Though warriors will not primarily be using [[guns]] as their main weapon, they can be useful for a pull, and Gun Specialization helps with this category. Lastly, warriors are notorious for their high repair bills. Treasure Finding can help alleviate some of this payment, though it is minimal at best. |
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| + | ==Dragonkin Character template== |
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| − | *Gnomes: [[Escape Artist]] can be very useful, primarily in PvP situations, but also in PvE situations. Warriors being the prototypical [[tank]] often have to lead mobs and bosses away from the healers and ranged fighters, thus making Escape Artist very useful. Gnomes also benefit from increased [[Arcane]] resistance, which is always useful. Because of their small size, gnome warriors are useful in PvP environments, posing a difficulty to target. Inexperienced or careless opponents can be quickly hit by Hamstring, Thunder Clap, and Sunder Armor before they have any idea as to what happened. |
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| + | :Since i updated the Creature template to have more complete information on Dragonkins half of this template is obsolete, so i suggest removing that information and turning this into a dragonkin characters pages, what do you think? --[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | [[File:GnomeWarriorTCG.jpg|thumb|Gnome Warrior]] |
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| + | ::I'm trying to turn this into a footer template |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Red Dragonflight]] |
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| − | *Night elves: Quickness adds an extra layer of survivability to night elf warriors. The enhanced [[nature]] resistance is always nice. [[Shadowmeld]] provides an interesting element to night elves, who can stealth to avoid mob detection (more useful for solo play). In addition, in PvP settings, Shadowmeld can be devastating. Stealth, Charge, Hamstring, Thunder Clap, etc., and Ta-da! You just became a [[rogue]] in heavy armor! An additional bonus to Shadowmeld is the ability to temporarily drop threat in combat, and possibly even save your life (if you're the last person standing). |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Blue Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Green Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Bronze Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Black Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Netherwing Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Chromatic Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Twilight Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Infinite Dragonflight]] |
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| + | *[[Template:Dragonflightfooter/Plagued Dragonflight]] |
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| − | *Draenei: [[Gift of the Naaru]] reduces downtime for warriors who are soloing, and helps conserve the mana of the group. The extra [[shadow resistance]] is always welcomed. Heroic Presence can help [[Off tank]]s or the [[Main tank]] perform better, depending on what role you may be fulfilling. For a DPS warrior, Heroic Presence will also reduce the amount of gear you (and your party/raid) need to dedicate to reaching hit caps. |
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| + | ::Completed--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:47, 27 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *Orcs: [[Axe Specialization]] increases expertise by 5 when wielding an axe or fist weapon. This is equal to 41 expertise rating, and reduces player's chance to be dodged/parried by 1.25%. Hardiness reduces stun duration, which can save a warrior in PvP settings, or save their group in PvE settings. [[Blood Fury]] increases either spell power or attack power, (depending on class) and scales with the players level. The formula for scaling attack power is [(level*4)+2]. The spell power formula is [(Level*2)+3]. This grants 322 AP or 163 spell power at level 80. |
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| − | *Trolls: [[Berserking]] increases attack speed by 20% for 10 seconds, useful for all warriors, particularly DPS warriors, but can also provide a marginal TPS buff to tanking warriors. Regeneration can help keep you alive during PvP fights, or boss battles, and the increased healing can reduced down time for soloing players. The increased damage against beasts can be useful, since beasts are located almost everywhere in the world. [[Da Voodoo Shuffle]] reduces the duration of movement impairing effects by 15% as well, and the less time you spend walking to something then the more time you spend hitting it. |
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| − | *Undead: The increased shadow resistance is always useful, as is [[Cannibalize]], which can reduce down time while soloing, and save your healer's mana. The increased Underwater Breathing is also useful, especially when soloing, where a warrior might not have access to an [[alchemist]] or [[warlock]]. [[Will of the Forsaken]] is one of the best racials in game, and can be the difference between life and death in both PvP and PvE settings. |
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| + | * [[Dragonspawn]] (<s>[[Green dragonspawn|Green]] - [[Red dragonspawn|Red]] - [[Blue dragonspawn|Blue]] - [[Black dragonspawn|Black]] - [[Bronze dragonspawn|Bronze]]</s> - [[Infinite dragonspawn|Infinite]] - [[Twilight dragonspawn|Twilight]] - [[Chromatic dragonspawn|Chromatic]]) |
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| + | * [[Drakonid]] ([[Green drakonid|Green]] - [[Red drakonid|Red]] - [[Blue drakonid|Blue]] - [[Black drakonid|Black]] - [[Bronze drakonid|Bronze]] - [[Nether drakonid|Nether]] - [[Infinite drakonid|Infinite]] - [[Twilight drakonid|Twilight]] - [[Chromatic drakonid|Chromatic]]) |
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| + | * [[Whelp]] (<s>[[Green whelp|Green]] - [[Red whelp|Red]] - [[Blue whelp|Blue]] - [[Black whelp|Black]] - [[Bronze whelp|Bronze]]</s> - [[Nether whelp|Nether]] - [[Infinite whelp|Infinite]] - [[Twilight whelp|Twilight]] - [[Chromatic whelp|Chromatic]] - [[Plagued whelp|Plagued]]) |
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| + | * [[Drake]] (<s>[[Green drake|Green]] - [[Red drake|Red]] - [[Blue drake|Blue]] - [[Black drake|Black]] - [[Bronze drake|Bronze]]</s> - [[Nether drake|Nether]] - [[Infinite drake|Infinite]] - [[Twilight drake|Twilight]] - [[Chromatic drake|Chromatic]]) |
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| + | * [[Dragon]] (<s>[[Green dragon|Green]]</s> - [[Red dragon|Red]] - [[Blue dragon|Blue]] - [[Black dragon|Black]] - <s>[[Bronze dragon|Bronze]]</s> - [[Nether dragon|Nether]] - [[Infinite dragon|Infinite]] - [[Twilight dragon|Twilight]]) |
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| + | * [[Wyrm]] ([[Green wyrm|Green]] - [[Red wyrm|Red]] - [[Blue wyrm|Blue]] - [[Black wyrm|Black]] - [[Bronze wyrm|Bronze]]) |
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| + | Ashbear, what is the point of extending out the individual flight footers like that? And did you even think about what you were doing, or did you just jump on it without really examining what you were linking to? Drake redirects to Dragon in almost all cases, and there are no flight-specific pages for dragonspawn or drakonid, resulting in several footers with redundant links. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 19:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *Tauren: [[War Stomp]] is a useful form of crowd control. Endurance provides tauren with extra health, meaning tauren warriors can have the highest possible HP of any warrior tank. The additional nature resistance is always a plus. |
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| + | :Actually i didn't originally added most of these, i only added a list of types of dragonkin that appear in that dragonflight, because they are not universal(dragonspawn don't appear on nether df but drakonid do), it's to show which types of dragonkin appear in that dragonflight.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::However i agree with you and i'll try to fix all bad links soon.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Add in the following links that you think are bad.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::It's probably best if i create new creature articles all together than make mob articles, i'll do a quick study and see what i can do.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | When [[Cataclysm]] goes live, [[Worgen (playable)|worgen]], [[Goblin (playable)|goblins]], and [[Blood elf (playable)|blood elves]] will be able to be warriors, giving every race in the game access to warriors. The racial abilities of Goblins and Worgen may change between now and Cata's release, so it is presently unclear how their racials will help them as warriors. While the chance to resist spell damage will undoubtedly be useful for both tank and DPS Blood Elf warriors, it is unclear at this point how the [[Arcane Torrent]] ability will work for warriors. |
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| + | :Actually we have to review all Links, most contain only RPG information, and the fact that i can't see he shared model option in wowhead doesn't help...--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Rage == |
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| + | ::The problem with making pages for all of them is that there's really no point. There's very little you can say about, say, green dragonspawn that doesn't also apply to dragonspawn as a whole. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Some already exist as you can see above, i just started with whelps, i'm trying to make it similar to the [[Fire Hawk]], i've asked coobra for help because i can't find the "same model as" tool/button in wowhead which would be really helpful for this.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Also a lot of information is from RPG which we need to separate from the wow info, in some cases add wow info that the article never had.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::That's because there are several mobs and companion pets for most of the whelps. That's not the case with, say, infinite whelps, where there's exactly ONE mob in the entire game. Why make a completely separate page for them that says nothing more than "this thing exists"? And the dragonspawn and drakonids may as well all be the same creature for all the differences between the flights. |
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| + | ::::In fact, taking into consideration your point about the RPG, it might not even be a bad idea to consider MERGING the whelp articles instead of creating new ones. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :So we should merge all the articles of that type into one(all whelp types into the whelp article, all drakes into drake article and all dragonspawn in the dragonspawn article, etc...)? note that the RPG information still need to be there, the types, notable, companions, mounts and transforming items, like the [[Fire hawk]] article. |
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| − | By default, a warrior's rage bar is empty. Warriors can gain rage by being struck in combat, dealing damage, drinking rage potions, or using certain abilities. Most of their abilities require a certain amount of rage in order to be activated - this makes rage the warrior's equivalent of mana. When a warrior exits combat, any left-over rage slowly decays until the bar returns to empty. The rate at which rage decays can be controlled through talents. A warrior's rage bar will drop to 0 immediately if they switch their [[#Stances|stance]]. At level 20, the passive ability [[Stance Mastery]] allows them to retain 10 rage through a stance change, and the [[Tactical Mastery]] talent increases this by 5 rage per rank up to a maximum of 25 rage. |
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| + | :In the case of the Nether whelp there's also the Pet.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::I said '''CONSIDER'''. As in, look at it and talk about it. Not just blindly rush into it, like you seem wont to do, just because the idea occurs to you. As you say, there is a lot to take into account with such a change; it's not something to do lightly. However, just because pages exist for the commonly-used whelp types, doesn't mean pages should exist for the other whelp types. I turned most of the pages you made into redirects because there's no point to their existence; all they do is state that it exists and then links to the sole representative of that type of whelp. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::It also had infoboxes depicting their affiliations and leaders, categories and this here template.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :Maybe it's better if we start with smaller section, the wyrm section, we turn all current 6 wyrm articles into one [[Wyrm]], and move the current [[Wyrm]] article into [[Wyrm (disambiguation)]], what do you think?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Warriors need to be in combat or use a rage-generating ability to generate rage. The longer the battle, the more rage a warrior can accumulate. This often leads the warrior to the strategy of "filling up" their rage bar on a weaker foe before moving on to a more powerful enemy. A warrior with a full rage bar can quickly unload a large amount of damage. |
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| + | ::I think if you want to have a merger of all those different types of articles into a collection of just a few, you should do a proper vote. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Before we do that we must at least agree on something most of these divided articles contain RPG only information but they still exist in WOW so we have two alternatives. make a creature lore articles similar to the [[Fire Hawk]] article for each individual being or fuse all articles of that type into one, with all the notable, types, companions, mounts, transforming item and RPG information, leaving as it is, isn't a good solution.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Stances == |
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| + | ::::Ashbear, you have this attitude that everything absolutely HAS to be either one way or the other, and it's just not right. Just because there are individual articles for some whelps - namely, those with a lot of information and representation - doesn't mean there have to be individual articles for those that don't. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | {{main|Stance|l1=Stances}} |
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| + | ::::I also wanted to correct you on another point: I never said that I wanted to merge all the whelp articles, or that we're going to, or even that it's necessarily a good idea. I merely pointed out that it's a possible option. I mention this only because the note you left on Coobra's page implied that this IS what we're doing, which is patently false. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :I like common standards, once they are applied they become significantly easier to read for everyone and generate less confusion, however most of these articles have to be reviewed, and i'll agree your opinion those that only have one example should be removed, the problem is that the tool that showed that on wowhead disappeared... |
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| − | [[File:ArtTaurenWarrior.jpg|thumb|right||A tauren warrior in art.]] |
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| + | :I must have misunderstand what you said... sorry.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::With the whelp section what's missing is a full list of types and notable, and probably some pictures.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | The warrior has different stances for different situations. Which stance to use will also be determined by the warrior's [[#Talents|talents]]. |
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| + | ::I'll try drakes now--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Did the five drakes of the main dragonflight and the chromatic, the netherwing drake page needs to be remade, there is no infinite and twilight drake.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Please refrain from creating new articles for now, though. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Yes, I'm only redoing the ones that already exist, still need to add types to whelps, drakes and dragonspawn, from the 5 main dragonflights, i'm using the information i find in wowpedia--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :I think Green drake, whelp, dragonspawn and black whelp are done, maybe it misses infoboxes.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:12, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *[[Battle Stance]]: The standard starting stance for all warriors. A balance of offensive and defensive abilities (-20% [[Threat]] Generated) and also increases [[Armor Penetration]] by 10%. |
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| + | ::Not everything necessarily needs an infobox, you know. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 00:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *[[Defensive Stance]]: As it suggests, more defensive oriented and fewer offensive damaging moves. Best used when playing in the main tank role (-10% Damage Received, -5% Damage Inflicted, +45% [[Threat]] Generated). |
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| + | :::Hence the may.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *[[Berserker Stance]]: All out attack with little regard to the warrior's own health. Best used when somebody else is tanking and you need full-on DPS (+3% Crit, +5% Damage Received, -20% threat Generated). |
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| + | ::::Finished the 5 main whelp pages, i only found one mob for bronze so yeah, if anybody has any problems with the whelp pages tell me, going now to dragonspawn.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Some warrior abilities are not available based on which stance you are in, so choose wisely! Remember that your rage is reduced to 10 whenever switching stances unless you have Tactical Mastery. |
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| + | :::::finished the 5 main dragonspawn once again the bronze only has one known example, but the list of blue and black dragonspawn types got rather extensive so i'm gonna add collums, i hope nobody has problems with that.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Abilities == |
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| − | {{main|Warrior abilities}} |
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| + | :Removed [[Netherwyrm]] the info on it was entirely from RPG.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | The warrior has various abilities, which are typically limited to certain stances. |
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| + | ::Finished Drakes all that remains is dragons, and wyrms of the 5 main DF, if you see any problems tell me?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 15:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | *In Defensive Stance, the warrior can use abilities such as [[Revenge]] and [[Taunt]]. These abilities are useful for keeping aggro. |
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| − | *In Battle Stance, the warrior can use a balanced array of abilities. [[Mocking Blow]] temporarily redirects threat to the warrior, while [[Overpower]] and [[Retaliation]] are useful for dealing damage. Some abilities usable in Defensive and Berserker Stances are also usable in Battle Stance. |
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| − | *In Berserker Stance, the warrior is focused on maximizing damage potential with abilities such as [[Berserker Rage]] and [[Recklessness]]. |
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| − | == How stats affect the warrior == |
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| − | (Original can be seen at [http://worldofwarriorsblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-stats-affect-warrior.html WoW: World of Warriors]) |
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| − | === Normal stats === |
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| − | {| class="darktable" |
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| − | ! [[Strength]] |
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| − | | Increases the warrior's Attack Power, thereby increasing the warrior's damage. Strength also increases the damage that a warrior can block with his shield. |
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| − | 1 Strength = 2 [[Attack Power]] |
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| − | 2 Strength = 1 [[Block Value]] |
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| − | The protection talent [[Vitality_(warrior_talent)|Vitality]], when maxed, increases strength by 6%. |
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| − | The arms talent [[Strength of Arms]], when maxed, increases strength by 4%. |
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| − | The fury talent [[Improved Berserker Stance]], when maxed, increases strength by 20% while in [[Berserker Stance]]. |
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| − | |- class="alt" |
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| − | ! [[Stamina]] |
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| − | | Increases health points. This is critical for warriors due to their melee range restriction and inability to significantly heal themselves while dealing damage, as well as to absorb the large amounts of damage mobs will try and cause against a party while tanking. |
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| − | 1 stamina = 10 health |
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| − | The protection talent [[Vitality_(warrior_talent)|Vitality]], when maxed, increases stamina by 6%. |
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| − | The arms talent [[Strength of Arms]], when maxed, increases stamina by 4%. |
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| − | === Mitigation and avoidance stats === |
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| − | {| class="darktable" |
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| − | ! Stat !! Effect |
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| − | ! [[Armor]] |
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| − | | Armor augments a character's health to a higher number (if the armor is positive), which represents the amount of physical damage a player can withstand. For instance, a character with 5000 health and 50% armor would be able to absorb 10000 damage before dying. |
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| − | |- class="alt" |
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| − | ! [[Defense]] |
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| − | | Defense rating reduces the chance to be critically hit by attacks from PvE mobs. At the lvl 80 defense cap, you will effectively reduce this chance to 0%. Defense Rating also increases your chance to Dodge, Parry or Block. |
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| − | ! [[Dodge]] |
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| − | | The warrior moves out of the way of the enemy's attack, and takes <u>no</u> damage from it. It is extremely useful to have a trinket which increases dodge rating for a short time to help healers keep up with healing. (If you're not getting hit, you don't need heals.) A warrior can only dodge frontal attacks. Attacks from behind cannot be dodged. |
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| − | ! [[Parry]] |
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| − | | The warrior parries the enemy's attack and takes <u>no</u> damage from it. Parrying attacks increases the warrior's melee haste rating, causing him to hit faster than normal. A warrior can only parry frontal attacks. Attacks from behind cannot be parried. |
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| − | ! [[Block Rating]] |
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| − | | The warrior raises his shield and blocks the enemy's attack. Block rating increases a warrior's % chance to block. Unlike dodge and parry, blocking an attack only <u>reduces</u> the amount of damage done to the warrior. A warrior can only block frontal attacks. Attacks from behind cannot be blocked. |
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| − | ! [[Block Value]] |
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| − | | The amount of damage a Block reduces depends on the block value of your shield, any enchantments, talents and strength. Damage reduced by blocking is calculated after other damage reducing factors, such as armor, which increases the effectiveness of blocking. In addition, block value increases the damage dealt by shield slam. |
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| − | ! [[Hit Rating]] |
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| − | | Increases the chance for the warrior to hit his enemy. Hit rating requires 32.79 per 1% of hit for physical damage. Raid bosses require an additional 8% chance to hit for you to never miss. |
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| − | ! [[Expertise]] |
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| − | | At level 80, every 8.2 points of expertise rating grants one point of expertise. One point of expertise decreases the chance that melee attacks made by the warrior will be dodged or parried by 0.25%. This stat is useful for tank and DPS warriors. When a warrior tank is parried, it may trigger a boss to begin to swing faster, causing [[burst damage]]. Raid bosses have a 6.5% chance to dodge your attacks, and approximately 15% chance to parry (varies). |
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| − | ! [[Crit Rating]] |
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| − | | Increases the chance for the warrior to critically strike his enemy, dealing double damage. At level 80, 45.91 Critical Strike Rating is required to gain 1% melee crit chance. |
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| − | ! [[Armor Penetration]] |
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| − | | Reduces the effective armor of the warrior's target, increasing all direct physical damage (excluding [[Bleed]] damage) done by the warrior to his target. At level 80, 12.31 points of Armor Penetration Rating are required to reduce the target's armor by approximately 1%, subject to a normalizing formula. |
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| − | ! [[Haste]] |
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| − | | Increases the autoattack speed of the warrior. More commonly used by fury warriors to improve their rage generation. This stat is largely panned by arms warriors as very little of their damage comes from their auto-attack. At level 80, a warrior requires 32.79 Haste Rating to gain a 1% increase in attack speed. |
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| − | [[Warrior talents]] are split into three trees: arms, fury, and protection. |
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| − | === Arms === |
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| − | *Specialties: Strong bleeding skills, high burst damage with a two handed weapon. Able to execute at any time with {{ability|Sudden Death}}. Can reduce healing on enemies with {{ability|Mortal Strike}}. |
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| − | *Strengths: High rage gain ({{ability|Endless Rage}}) and rage efficiency skills ({{ability|Overpower}}). Access to {{ability|Tactical Mastery}}. |
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| − | *Weaknesses: At a disadvantage on fights that require constant movement due to the cast time on Slam. Must be played with skill and a fast reaction time to successfully compete with other damage dealers. |
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| − | The arms tree consists of abilities which focus on slow two-handed burst coupled with heavy bleeding damage to better effect. The arms talent tree is capped by the {{ability|Bladestorm}} ability, which when activated, whirlwinds every second for 6 seconds and causes the warrior to become unstoppable, unless killed, for the duration. Due to almost every arms skill being based on weapon damage, such as {{ability|Rend}}, Overpower, {{ability|Deep Wounds}} and Mortal Strike, slow two-handed weapons are favored by almost every arms warrior to maximize effect. Bleeding skills are enhanced as well with the talent {{ability|Trauma}} and {{ability|Taste for Blood}} allows Rend to open up opportunities to use Overpower regardless of whether the the target dodged your attacks. |
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| − | === Fury === |
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| − | *Specialties: Powerful sustained damage and can regenerate with {{ability|Bloodthirst}} and {{ability|Blood Craze}}. Can passively reduce healing on enemies with {{ability|Furious Attacks}}. Able to wield two 2 handed-weapons with {{ability|Titan's Grip}}. |
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| − | *Strengths: Powerful sustained damage with dual wielding and capable of high burst damage with {{ability|Bloodsurge}} and Bloodthirst. |
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| − | *Weaknesses: More fragile than the other specs, taking in more damage with {{ability|Berserker Stance}} and relying on two weapons to perform at best, forsaking the use of a shield save for highly situational times. |
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| − | The fury tree bolsters the use of dual wielding (but does not limit the warrior in any way), to dish out the highest damage that the warrior is capable of. Critical strikes allow the fury warrior to {{ability|Flurry (warrior talent)|Flurry}}, while the attacks they use most have a chance of proccing Bloodsurge, throwing in high {{ability|Slam}} burst damage with their already high sustained damage. While the cost to uphold this kind of damage taxes on rage heavily, dual wielding solves the problem. With the final talent, Titan's Grip, the warrior is able to dual wield two 2-hand weapons, greatly increasing rage gain in bursts, allowing the warrior the needed rage. |
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| − | In the past, going too deep in the fury tree was undesired for PvP due to its lack of the {{ability|Mortal Strike}} healing debuff, but as of patch 3.0.0, the fury tree gained Furious Attacks, which applies the needed healing debuff. |
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| − | === Protection === |
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| − | *Specialties: Access to many stuns {{ability|Shield Bash}}/{{ability|Concussion Blow}}/{{ability|Shockwave}}. THE tank spec proficient at both AoE tanking ({{ability|Damage Shield (Warrior)|Damage Shield}}) and singular tanking. |
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| − | *Strengths: All-new powerful damage that was unheard of before Patch 3.0.0, making the shield not just a defensive tool, but a powerful offensive one as well. Able to take very high amounts of damage and dishing high amounts back. |
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| − | *Weaknesses: Technically rage-starved if not being hit, though speccing deep in protection allows you to make your hits crit more often, still allowing you to burst damage without rage ({{ability|Sword and Board}}). No healing debuff. Damage output very limited when not the focus of enemy attacks, due to key abilities dependent fully or partially on blocking (i.e. {{ability|Revenge}}, Sword and Board.) |
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| − | Tanking has been redefined by Blizzard, and so the protection tree likely got the biggest change (for the better) in comparison to the other trees. |
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| − | The protection tree features the traditional one-handed weapon + shield combination with talents to improve its use. It is likely that one would think the overall damage is lower due to not using a "powerful two-hander" or "dual-wielding two weapons". But when facing a protection warrior, they need to consider the shield as well. With it protection warriors could absolutely crush anyone foolish enough to attack him/her in melee, and use it to harass and silence casters. Protection warriors now scale with attack power more so than they did in the past, causing them to do much more damage. The protection tree boosts overall survivability, but also offense with the kind of tools that prot warriors use, namely the one handed weapon and shield. And with that new offense comes higher aggro buildup, making them threat machines. |
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| − | Pre [[Patch 3.0.0]], protection warriors were almost never considered for PvP due to their lack of damage, utility against players, and lack of everything that PvP stood for, but now they return with a new style. Still lacking a healing debuff, protection warriors now focus on stunning, crippling and harassing with their new high mobility talent, {{ability|Warbringer_(talent)|Warbringer}}. |
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| − | Blizzard's talent calculator can be found here.[http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warrior/talents.html] |
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| − | == Wrath of the Lich King changes == |
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| − | === Spells === |
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| − | Battle Shout and Commanding Shout will affect the raid, not just the party. |
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| − | *[[Titan's Grip]] is a new fury talent and allows warriors to wield a two-hand weapon in one hand, thereby allowing two-handed dual wielding. |
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| − | *Protection warriors have a new spell called [[Shockwave]] allowing them to damage and stun all the enemies in front of them. |
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| − | *[[Bladestorm]] is a new arms talent whirlwinding 4 enemies in range every 1 second for 6 seconds. |
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| − | === Protection === |
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| − | Blizzard improved the protection spec so that it is more viable outside of tanking by increasing damage, with improvements to all damaging abilities, including [[Concussion Blow]]. Shield Slam will also be available to all warriors now. |
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| − | ==Cataclysm changes {{Cata-inline}}== |
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| − | ===General preview=== |
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| − | {{Bluepost|poster=Bornakk|title=Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior|date=04/08/2010 09:01:06 AM PDT|link=http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24038612592&sid=1|body= |
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| − | World of Warcraft: Cataclysm will bring with it several changes to class talents and abilities. Here you will get a glimpse into some of the changes we have in store for the warrior. The information you're about to read is not complete, and is only meant to act as a preview for some of the exciting new things to come. |
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| − | ====New Warrior Abilities==== |
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| − | '''{{ability|Inner Rage}} (Level 81)''': Whenever the character reaches a full 100 Rage, he or she will gain a buff that causes attacks to consume 50% more Rage and do 15% more damage for a short amount of time. This is a passive ability so it won't need to be activated by the player. The goal for this ability is to provide a benefit for hitting max Rage instead of it feeling like a penalty. However, we also don't want warriors to feel like they're supposed to pool Rage and do nothing until they hit 100, so we'll be closely monitoring how this plays out during the beta testing, and making adjustments as needed. |
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| − | '''{{ability|Gushing Wound}} (Level 83)''': This ability will apply a bleed effect to the target. If the target moves, the bleed gains an extra stack and refreshes its duration, up to a maximum of three stacks. The ability is currently planned to have no cooldown, cost 10 Rage, and have a 9-second duration. Gushing Wound is designed to be weaker than {{ability|Rend}} with one stack, but better with three stacks, which will be reached when fighting a moving target. |
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| − | '''{{ability|Heroic Leap}} (Level 85)''': This ability makes the character leap at their target and apply the {{ability|Thunder Clap}} ability to all enemies in the area when they land. Heroic Leap will be usable in {{ability|Battle Stance}} and shares a cooldown with {{ability|Charge}}, but the {{ability|Juggernaut (warrior talent)|Juggernaut}} and {{ability|Warbringer (talent)|Warbringer}} talents will allow Heroic Leap to be used in any stance and possibly while in combat. The cooldown for this ability might be longer than the Charge ability, but it will also apply a stun effect so you can make sure the target will still be there when you land. |
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| − | In addition to learning new abilities, you'll see changes to other abilities and mechanics with which you're already familiar. This list and the summary of talent changes below it are by no means comprehensive, but they should give you a good sense of what we intend for each spec. |
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| − | * {{ability|Heroic Strike}} will no longer be an "on next swing" attack, as we are removing this mechanic in Cataclysm. To keep the niche of Heroic Strike as a Rage dump, it will become an instant attack, but will cost between 10 and 30 Rage. This ability will not be usable until you have 10 Rage, but if you have more than 10, it will consume up to 30, adding additional damage for each point of Rage consumed above the base 10. Other abilities, such as {{ability|Cleave}}, {{ability|Execute}}, and {{ability|Maul}} (for druids) will work similarly. The goal is to provide players with an option where if you can't afford the Rage, you don't push the button, but if you have excess Rage, you can push it a lot. |
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| − | * {{ability|Battle Shout}}, {{ability|Commanding Shout}}, and possibly {{ability|Demoralizing Shout}} will work more like the death knight's {{ability|Horn of Winter}} ability. Specifically, these shouts will cost no resources, generate rage in addition to their current effects, and be on a short cooldown. |
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| − | * {{ability|Whirlwind}} will hit an unlimited number of targets, but only for 50% of weapon damage. The intent is for this ability to be used in multi-target scenarios and not on single targets. |
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| − | * Overall, heals cast by players in Cataclysm will be a lower number relative to players' health than the current game. So to make the {{ability|Mortal Strike}} debuff less mandatory but still useful in PvP, Mortal Strike will reduce healing by only 20%. All equivalent debuffs, including the Shadow priest and Frost mage debuffs, will be for 20% less healing. At the moment we aren't considering giving this debuff to anyone else, though we will certainly consider PvP utility for historically under-represented specs that use other mechanics. |
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| − | * {{ability|Sunder Armor}} will be reduced to three stacks instead of five, and still provide only a 4% reduction in armor per stack. We want to make this debuff easier to apply and less of a damage swing when it falls off. |
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| − | * The {{ability|Furious Sundering}} talent in the Fury tree will make the Sunder Armor ability cause 25/50% weapon damage and reduce the threat generated by 50/100%. |
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| − | * The {{ability|Mace Specialization (warrior talent)|Mace}} and {{ability|Poleaxe Specialization}} talents in the Arms tree will be removed. These provided just passive stats, which are not the kinds of talents we want to design in the future. We will keep the {{ability|Sword Specialization (warrior talent)|Sword Specialization}} talent, but it will be changed to a talent that applies to all types of weapons. |
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| − | * As a Fury talent, {{ability|Booming Voice}} will increase the Rage generated by shouts. |
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| − | * While we like how {{ability|Titan's Grip}} plays, we recognize some warriors liked the Fury tree because of the really fast swings that dual-wielding one-handed weapons could provide. Therefore, we're planning to try out a talent called {{ability|Single-Minded Fury}} that is parallel to Titan's Grip and will provide a large boost to the damage of a pair of one-handed weapons. |
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| − | * Several talents that reduce the Rage cost of abilities will be changed to focus on increased damage for those abilities instead. |
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| − | * The new Arms talent called {{ability|Disarming Nature}} will make successful disarms cause the target to cower in fear for 5/10 seconds. |
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| − | * Another new Arms talent called {{ability|Blitz}} will make the {{ability|Charge}} ability hit for extra damage. The amount will possibly vary depending on the distance travelled. |
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| − | * {{ability|Improved Pummel}}, a Fury talent, will cause a successful interrupt to generate 10/20 Rage. |
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| − | #Melee Damage |
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| − | #Bonus Swing: This is similar to the Sword Specialization talent that is currently in the game, but Bonus Swing will work on all attacks and with all weapons. You have a chance to proc a free, instant weapon swing that hits for 50% damage. |
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| − | #Melee Damage |
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| − | #Melee Haste |
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| − | #Enrage Intensity: Every benefit of being enraged is increased. This includes doing more damage/healing/ etc. from abilities like Bloodrage, Death Wish, Enrage, Berserker Rage, and Enraged Regeneration. |
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| − | ;Protection |
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| − | #Damage Reduction |
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| − | #Vengeance |
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| − | #Critical Block Chance: As we mentioned in the stat changes preview, block rating is changing to a chance to block 30% of a melee swing's damage. Protection warriors have a chance that the block will be a critical block and block for 60% of a melee swing's damage instead. There will likely be talents available to push the amount blocked even higher. |
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| − | ;Will the rotation for a Fury Warrior just be Bloodthirst and Slam with Heroic Strike to burn off rage? |
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| − | :We think Fury is going to end up needing another attack in there for single-target fights. Furious Sundering was intended more as having to Sunder being less of a penalty, but at only 3 stacks, it may not end up being a big deal and we don’t want Fury to feel like they have to purchase a talent that they may not always use. We don’t want Whirlwind to be a good button against single targets however. It essentially gets “free” damage against groups of targets when it’s effective at using against single targets. It’s okay if warriors still do more damage in fights where they can use Cleave and similar attacks often, but right now it’s too extreme. |
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| − | ;Are one-handed Fury warriors going to be competing with rogues for one-handed weapons? |
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| − | :This is unlikely. Rogues and shaman will want one-handers with Agility, while warriors and death knights will want them with Strength. I won’t be surprised when one of these classes picks up the other’s weapon as it could be an upgrade simply based on the damage, but it won’t be optimal. |
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| − | ;Why are warriors not getting some kind of AoE tanking tool? |
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| − | :We think the newly buffed Thunder Clap plus Shockwave are sufficient abilities for AoE tanking. The design of Vengeance should make sure that threat generation doesn’t start to slip behind as the dps characters gear up. It’s not our intention that tanks face a constant struggle to generate enough threat, even in group situations, but we also don’t want threat to be totally irrelevant either. The danger for tanking too many creatures should also be tank death not threat management. |
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| − | ;Is only Sunder Armor being changed? |
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| − | :Rogue Expose Armor and other abilities that apply a similar debuff are being changed accordingly. They will all provide the same debuff at 12% armor reduction. |
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| − | :We still want the act of changing stances to require more consideration than just clicking two buttons to use the ability you want. One idea we are going to explore is that you don’t lose rage when you change stances, but you won’t gain additional rage for a short period of time after changing. This lets you say swap to do an Execute without losing your rage bar, but still keeps the idea that shifting constantly comes with inherent efficiency risks. |
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| − | ;Is the intent of Gushing Wound that warriors constantly ask for targets to be kited around? |
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| − | :No, it’s intended to be a bonus when you’re in an encounter where the target either moves around a lot (Ex. BONNNNE STORMMMM-ing Marrowgar) or just has to be moved around a lot (say Lich King). Warriors shouldn’t have the expectation of forcing every PvE opponent to move but it would be entertaining to watch this (from a third party perspective). :) |
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| − | ''{{text|white|You said nothing to address the vastly different ways 1-handers will generate rage compared to 2-handers and how you will close the damage gap between them.}}'' |
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| − | Are you talking about Arms vs. Fury? That's not that hard. Arms can have a talent to let them generate more rage with a two-hander or require less rage for their attacks. |
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| − | Are you talking about 2H Fury vs. 1H Fury? The Single-Minded Fury talent could literally say "Your one-handed weapons do damage as if they were two-handed weapons." The talent gives us a dial and we can tune it up or down for whatever we need. |
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| − | It's much easier to make dual-wielding one-handers and dual-wielding two-handers do equitable damage than it is to make dual-wielding one-handers and using a single two-hander do equitable damage, if that makes sense. |
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| − | ''{{text|white|Why? Both I can understand, but why exclude threat management? Why is tank death more engaging than threat management? The former primarily involves one or maybe two members of the group, the latter is engaging to everyone.}}'' |
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| − | I understand the appeal of threat management from a logical sense, and your point about it being engaging to everyone is compelling, but in application we find that it's one of those things that a lot of players just don't find fun. The UI doesn't do a great job of explaining threat, and even if we could build a UI to portray it in a more exciting way (which to be fair, we probably could) it's still a pretty intangible concept compared to damage and healing so I'm not sure it would feel great even then. |
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| − | Many DPS players don't like the mechanic that there's this higher level of damage they could achieve if only they weren't constantly being throttled by this one dude up in front. It often ends up feeling not like the group is overcoming a challenge together, but that the dude in front needs to get his act together. It just makes tanks feel weak. When the raid dies because the boss hammered the tank, then that feels cooperative because it's the raid vs. the boss. When the raid wipes because the warlock got aggro, then it feels like it's the tank vs. the warlock (or maybe the raid vs. the warlock or the raid vs. the tank). |
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| − | We always see a lot of negative feedback from tanks when they feel like they can't hold aggro. To be sure some of that is relative when the warrior sees the paladin generate more threat, but it's also a pretty constant source of friction for tanks when they feel like they don't have the tools they need for the job. You can write that off as casuals who just want free epics, but I think we see "we can't generate enough threat" feedback more than we see "please nerf this boss; he's too hard" feedback. |
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| − | Really, we're talking about relative degrees though. No warrior tank should be able to Thunder Clap and then go get a beer because they're going to then maintain aggro no matter what. In the situations where that happens today I think it's because of overtuned abilities like Tricks or Misdirect (or sometimes tank abilities themselves). |
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| − | ''{{text|white|They should've just combined the three specializations into one from the start rather than remove Poleaxe and Mace spec's entirely. I'm sorry, but Blizzard, you screwed us on this one. Both Poleaxe and Mace spec's gave us more DPS than the extra swing proc from Sword spec and you nerfed that by screwing with its proc.}}'' |
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| − | I'm sure we'll end up saying similar things several times this week, but if it helps, imagine that every number in the game either doubles or gets divided by half at random. In other words, you don't know how much damage or even how much crit a (theoretical, since we're curtting it) Poleaxe spec talent would provide you anymore. You don't know whether cutting it is a buff or a nerf. Since you aren't armed with that information, all you can really provide is whether the chance to get an extra swing is more fun than a talent that just increases your damage. |
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| − | I can understand some of the confusion. When we do patches like 3.3 or even 3.3.3 then it makes sense to view everything through the lens of the current status quo. This isn't one of those patches. You are gaining more levels. Stats are changing. Many things are changing. Don't assume that numbers that we don't strictly call out will stay at all the same. In fact, you can probably assume the opposite. :) |
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| − | Mechanics probably will stay the same unless specified otherwise. For example, you don't need to go as far as to say "Who knows if warriors will even use axes in Cataclysm?" They almost certainly will. But speculating on whether axe spec or sword spec would cause more damage in Cataclysm is fraught with risk. |
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| − | ''{{text|white|To clarify, will Inner Rage only affect the rage cost of abilities if we are at 100%? If so I see this only as a plus. I read it as such, meaning it would only affect the one ability used when at 100% rage and would only come up if we were constantly hitting 100% again and again.}}'' |
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| − | Inner Rage isn't supposed to feel kiss / curse. It's supposed to feel like a limit break or similar video game analogy. When I get to 100 rage, I go into overdrive mode and cause even more damage. Rather than hitting max rage being a problem (because I'm wasting resources I could be gaining) it's something fun instead. |
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| − | We put in some of that extra explanation because we don't want warriors to feel like the right way to play is to do nothing until they have 100 rage and then start having fun. It's supposed to feel like getting a string of crits or eating a big hit or something translate into higher damage for a short time. |
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| − | ''{{text|white|So if I'm understanding this correctly. Single-minded fury will basically turn a 1H into a 2H. So a 1H's weapon speed will get slowed down and the damage ranged increased, and maybe the stats on it increased as well. I guess that's the only way it'll work otherwise you'll see a lot of fury complaints saying I have to go 2H cause 1H spec sucks or vice versa.}}'' |
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| − | [[File:dwarfwar.jpg|thumb|right|Dwarven warrior]] |
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| − | * [[Warrior twinking guide]] for details on making a warrior twink. |
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| − | *In the [[Warcraft RPG]], warrior and [[fighter]] were separate classes. Warrior was an [[NPC class]], while fighter was a [[core class]].<ref>''[[Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', 54</ref> In the [[World of Warcraft RPG]], the old warrior class was replaced with the [[soldier]] class, while fighter was replaced with a new warrior class for gameplay purposes. <ref>''World of Warcraft RPG Conversion Document'', 1</ref> |
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| − | *Warriors have the most widely available choices in permanent {{quality|Legendary}} weapons, as most are designed (through use or through [[lore]]) as [[melee]] weapons, which is the warrior's forte. The only one that was never available to warriors was [[Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian]]. |
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| − | *[http://www.tankingtips.com/ Tanking Tips] Tankingtips.com is a great resource for information on warrior tanking. |
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| − | *[http://tankspot.com/ TankSpot] Tankspot.com is pretty much "''the''" website for warrior tanking information and resources. |
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| − | *Prot Warrior Tanking 100: [http://glaivecow.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/prot-warrior-tanking-100-part-1 Part 1] [http://glaivecow.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/prot-warrior-tanking-100-part-2/ Part 2] A basic guide to tanking at early levels. |
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Revision as of 18:30, 15 July 2011
Colours
Simplification
With the new templates for the flights i was thinking of removing a few things from this template to make pages a little less bulky. was wondering what everyone thought of removing 'Dragons Of Nightmare' 'Factions' (since both are already in their resppeciv flight's templates) a few noteable members etc....Warthok 07:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Dragonflights
Do Proto-Dragons and the Frostbrood really count as their own dragonflights? I haven't seen any reference to that being the case (and I know we had this discussion earlier about a theoretical Undead Dragonflight with the frost wyrms), but by all means feel free to prove me wrong if it says this somewhere. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, I suppose they don't really count as their own flight, but if you ask me, not putting them there implies that they're a part of another flight, and I say they most certainly aren't. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 00:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
About the proto-dragons, I mean. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 00:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
They aren't members of any flight. Not putting them under flights does not imply they are members of one os the listed flights. But they are still listed in the table under types.Warthok Talk Contribs 02:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'll settle for that I suppose. Now that I think about it, Dragonflights are like...dragons that were enchanted by the Titans. If the name is anything to go by, proto-dragons aren't really part of any because they aren't enchanted. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, just a lil taste of info further enforcing that proto-dragons are the first dragons, but there are proto-drake mounts for each major Dragonflight color. Bronze = 
[Reins of the Time-Lost Proto-Drake] (even has the word "time" in it!), Blue = [Reins of the Blue Proto-Drake], Red = [Reins of the Red Proto-Drake], Black = Black Proto-Drake, and Green = [Reins of the Green Proto-Drake]. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:27, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- And Violet. Yes the colors exist, i see it as hinting as to how the five colored flights the titans bless originiated from. But i've looked everywhere, quest text, blizzcon transcripts, etc...and i've never heard the word dragonflight or flight assosiated with the proto dragons. A flight is more than just a type of dragon. Think Undead dragonflight.Warthok Talk Contribs 22:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Just found a little thing I'm a little curious about on my DK...
Penumbrius at the Argent Vanguard calls the proto-drakes there "kin - blood from ages past." He could just be referring to the fact that they're dragons, but the "blood" remark kind of strikes me as him aiming at something else. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 01:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Dragonkin Character template
- Since i updated the Creature template to have more complete information on Dragonkins half of this template is obsolete, so i suggest removing that information and turning this into a dragonkin characters pages, what do you think? --Ashbear160 (talk) 14:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm trying to turn this into a footer template
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Red Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Blue Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Green Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Bronze Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Black Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Netherwing Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Chromatic Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Twilight Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Infinite Dragonflight
- Template:Dragonflightfooter/Plagued Dragonflight
- Completed--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Review:
- Dragonspawn (
Green - Red - Blue - Black - Bronze- Infinite - Twilight - Chromatic) - Drakonid (Green - Red - Blue - Black - Bronze - Nether - Infinite - Twilight - Chromatic)
- Whelp (
Green - Red - Blue - Black - Bronze- Nether - Infinite - Twilight - Chromatic - Plagued) - Drake (
Green - Red - Blue - Black - Bronze- Nether - Infinite - Twilight - Chromatic) - Dragon (
Green- Red - Blue - Black -Bronze- Nether - Infinite - Twilight) - Wyrm (Green - Red - Blue - Black - Bronze)
Ashbear, what is the point of extending out the individual flight footers like that? And did you even think about what you were doing, or did you just jump on it without really examining what you were linking to? Drake redirects to Dragon in almost all cases, and there are no flight-specific pages for dragonspawn or drakonid, resulting in several footers with redundant links. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Actually i didn't originally added most of these, i only added a list of types of dragonkin that appear in that dragonflight, because they are not universal(dragonspawn don't appear on nether df but drakonid do), it's to show which types of dragonkin appear in that dragonflight.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- However i agree with you and i'll try to fix all bad links soon.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Add in the following links that you think are bad.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's probably best if i create new creature articles all together than make mob articles, i'll do a quick study and see what i can do.--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Actually we have to review all Links, most contain only RPG information, and the fact that i can't see he shared model option in wowhead doesn't help...--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- The problem with making pages for all of them is that there's really no point. There's very little you can say about, say, green dragonspawn that doesn't also apply to dragonspawn as a whole. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Some already exist as you can see above, i just started with whelps, i'm trying to make it similar to the Fire Hawk, i've asked coobra for help because i can't find the "same model as" tool/button in wowhead which would be really helpful for this.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Also a lot of information is from RPG which we need to separate from the wow info, in some cases add wow info that the article never had.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- That's because there are several mobs and companion pets for most of the whelps. That's not the case with, say, infinite whelps, where there's exactly ONE mob in the entire game. Why make a completely separate page for them that says nothing more than "this thing exists"? And the dragonspawn and drakonids may as well all be the same creature for all the differences between the flights.
- In fact, taking into consideration your point about the RPG, it might not even be a bad idea to consider MERGING the whelp articles instead of creating new ones. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Also a lot of information is from RPG which we need to separate from the wow info, in some cases add wow info that the article never had.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Some already exist as you can see above, i just started with whelps, i'm trying to make it similar to the Fire Hawk, i've asked coobra for help because i can't find the "same model as" tool/button in wowhead which would be really helpful for this.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- So we should merge all the articles of that type into one(all whelp types into the whelp article, all drakes into drake article and all dragonspawn in the dragonspawn article, etc...)? note that the RPG information still need to be there, the types, notable, companions, mounts and transforming items, like the Fire hawk article.
- In the case of the Nether whelp there's also the Pet.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I said CONSIDER. As in, look at it and talk about it. Not just blindly rush into it, like you seem wont to do, just because the idea occurs to you. As you say, there is a lot to take into account with such a change; it's not something to do lightly. However, just because pages exist for the commonly-used whelp types, doesn't mean pages should exist for the other whelp types. I turned most of the pages you made into redirects because there's no point to their existence; all they do is state that it exists and then links to the sole representative of that type of whelp. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- It also had infoboxes depicting their affiliations and leaders, categories and this here template.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I said CONSIDER. As in, look at it and talk about it. Not just blindly rush into it, like you seem wont to do, just because the idea occurs to you. As you say, there is a lot to take into account with such a change; it's not something to do lightly. However, just because pages exist for the commonly-used whelp types, doesn't mean pages should exist for the other whelp types. I turned most of the pages you made into redirects because there's no point to their existence; all they do is state that it exists and then links to the sole representative of that type of whelp. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe it's better if we start with smaller section, the wyrm section, we turn all current 6 wyrm articles into one Wyrm, and move the current Wyrm article into Wyrm (disambiguation), what do you think?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Before we do that we must at least agree on something most of these divided articles contain RPG only information but they still exist in WOW so we have two alternatives. make a creature lore articles similar to the Fire Hawk article for each individual being or fuse all articles of that type into one, with all the notable, types, companions, mounts, transforming item and RPG information, leaving as it is, isn't a good solution.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ashbear, you have this attitude that everything absolutely HAS to be either one way or the other, and it's just not right. Just because there are individual articles for some whelps - namely, those with a lot of information and representation - doesn't mean there have to be individual articles for those that don't. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I also wanted to correct you on another point: I never said that I wanted to merge all the whelp articles, or that we're going to, or even that it's necessarily a good idea. I merely pointed out that it's a possible option. I mention this only because the note you left on Coobra's page implied that this IS what we're doing, which is patently false. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Before we do that we must at least agree on something most of these divided articles contain RPG only information but they still exist in WOW so we have two alternatives. make a creature lore articles similar to the Fire Hawk article for each individual being or fuse all articles of that type into one, with all the notable, types, companions, mounts, transforming item and RPG information, leaving as it is, isn't a good solution.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I like common standards, once they are applied they become significantly easier to read for everyone and generate less confusion, however most of these articles have to be reviewed, and i'll agree your opinion those that only have one example should be removed, the problem is that the tool that showed that on wowhead disappeared...
- I must have misunderstand what you said... sorry.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- With the whelp section what's missing is a full list of types and notable, and probably some pictures.--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try drakes now--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Did the five drakes of the main dragonflight and the chromatic, the netherwing drake page needs to be remade, there is no infinite and twilight drake.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Please refrain from creating new articles for now, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm only redoing the ones that already exist, still need to add types to whelps, drakes and dragonspawn, from the 5 main dragonflights, i'm using the information i find in wowpedia--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Please refrain from creating new articles for now, though. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think Green drake, whelp, dragonspawn and black whelp are done, maybe it misses infoboxes.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:12, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not everything necessarily needs an infobox, you know. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hence the may.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not everything necessarily needs an infobox, you know. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Finished the 5 main whelp pages, i only found one mob for bronze so yeah, if anybody has any problems with the whelp pages tell me, going now to dragonspawn.--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- finished the 5 main dragonspawn once again the bronze only has one known example, but the list of blue and black dragonspawn types got rather extensive so i'm gonna add collums, i hope nobody has problems with that.--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Removed Netherwyrm the info on it was entirely from RPG.--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- Finished Drakes all that remains is dragons, and wyrms of the 5 main DF, if you see any problems tell me?--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)