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A standing and open question that has been floating around with no real anwser is 'how do we at Wowpedia classify various titanic things'? This bugs me. At Wowpedia, or any wiki, page need names for the content to go under, but sometimes the name-content relationship gets messed up a bit. I wish to fix this.

• The "Titanmale" model includes entities such Loken, Jotun (which according to his skin name and looks, is made of stone), and (to a lesser extent) Aman.

• The "Titanfemale" model includes entities such as Ironaya and Myzrael.

• The "Stonekeeper" model includes entities such as Archaedas and Creteus.

• Algalon the Observer's "race" is unknown. Currently, he is unique, so this is a non-issue.

• A model called "Uldumwatcher" includes three actual models (differentiated by hat/crown) that includes Anraphet and Akma'hat.

• The four Uldum guys/watchers each have a unique model.

• Freya, Hodir, and Thorim each have a unique model. Mimiron is a mechagnome, but comparable in power to Freya, Hodir, and Thorim.

• The Anubisaths (and the Horusath(s)) are mentioned here for completeness. Their models are based off some of the above, and based on their feet and revelations about the tol'vir, they may actually be a retooled version of one of the above.

Now, the male and female "titan" models may or may not be actual titans, even lesser ones. If not, then what are they? The "Stonekeeper" model seems to represent both stone keepers and stone watchers (artificial non-titan servants of the titans). The "titan" models may be stone keepers and watchers as well. Whatever is decided for the "titanmale" model should be applied to Freya, Hodir, Thorim, and (possibly) Mimiron due to their similarities and their positions within their command structure. I would assume that this would apply to the female version of the "titan" model as well, but they seem to be consistently weaker. The four 'watchers' from Uldum are similar, and yet specifically said to be constructs.

In short: Have we seen an actual 'titan' yet? If so, which of the above are titans? Are titans 'constructed' rather than 'born'? Are "watcher" and "keeper" short for "stone watcher/keeper," or can titans have that title?

Does anyone have any insight? Watcher (titanic) is currently a vague catch-all that is largely uncited anyway. (See also: Talk:Titan)--SWM2448 05:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, there's been no true clear indication or definition as to what Titans are as a race/species. It has been said that not all Titans are as powerful as the Pantheon, so the Titans of legend (Aman'thul, Eonar, Sargeras, etc.) would be of the highest caste, while Thorim, Loken, Freya, etc. are the lesser Titans. Think of Malfurion compared to a novice druid. Big difference, but same race. I think the named bosses of Ulduar might be lesser Titans, while Uldum might lack any. Which would make sense, given the Tol'vir seem in a sense cut off from the Titans as the dwarves, gnomes, and vrykul are. Freya was stated to be the daughter of the Titans, probably the child of Aman'thul and Eonar given her nature persona, but since they're mineral-based beings, there's nothing stating if she was constructed or if she was somehow birthed. So for the time being, the answer in short is: We don't know for certain. Myrlen Midnightstar (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm almost certain that the titans in Uldum and Ulduar are not Titans, but rather Titanic Watchers. Essentially beings empowered by the Titans to guard their facilities. Very similar in nature to how the Dragon Aspects safeguard the various apsects of the world, these watchers were created and imbued with the powers of their masters. Think of them as artificial middle managers. They have their pre-programmed purpose, but have been imbued with sentience to have the decision-making capacity to adapt and pass their purpose into their creations.

Blacktouch (talk) 11:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Is "Titanic Watcher" a type of thing, or is it short for "titanic stone watcher"? What says either option?--SWM2448 21:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Some are outright called a Titanic Watcher, like Ironaya and we don't know enough about them to call them something other than what blizzard give us a watcher of titanic origin, not all of them are implied to be made of stone trough.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Only one, Ironaya, was called a "Titanic Watcher".--SWM2448 01:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Still is the only definition we have "a watcher of titanic origin" is what blizzard has given us--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

So... what? Are you saying she is a "Titanic Watcher" or "a watcher of titanic origin" or what? I suppose that we could say that everything with her model is a "Titanic Watcher" even though that term came about after WoWWiki/Wowpedia misused it (unless I am missing some big pre-cataclysm source).--SWM2448 01:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)