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Is it clearly known, who the orcish warchief and the human commander are? These guys to be exact.
I get a feeling that these two characters are and hopefully will stay anonymous
k0ct-ep - the WiSe, WoMaNiZiNg wOnDeEr! 15:57, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
- They are only semi-anonymous, depending on how you interpret the history of the First War. -- (talk · contr) 19 Jul 2011 9:27 AM Pacific
Assuming that these two characters would not be anonymous, who could they have been though? I have doubts that the human commander is even semi-anonymous... I think he is fully anonymous. The orcish warchief could have been Blackhand for an example, but what about the human commander? He couldn't have been King Llane, because in WC1 in the human campaign, in one of the briefings it is told, that King Llane is killed
"Runners have arrived and informed you of grave news. King Llane lies dead this day, assassinated by the treacherous Garona, at Stormwind Keep. His last command was that you should assume the mantle of War Leader, and end this battle that has drained the land of its resources, and now its king. Scouts report that deep within the Black Morass lies one of Blackhand's darkest seats of power --- the Temple of the Damned. No peasants dare approach the vile temple, and only the bravest of your soldiers have agreed to accompany you on this mission. You must strike boldly and without err, for there will be no reinforcements."
Lothar is also mentioned from a third-person perspective, the player rescues him from the mines... I personally have no clue on who could have been the man sitting in the throne during the human victory ending.
k0ct-ep - the WiSe, WoMaNiZiNg wOnDeEr! 15:24, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, "War Leader" may not mean "king" or even ruler. It could mean more like "general" or something like that. I do agree with you though, that the human from the game doesn't look like any of the historical human leaders of Warcraft. The most notable characteristic of this human is his lack of a beard, since most all the historical leaders had beards. The only possible candidate I can think of is Turalyon who is often shown without a beard, although he may have been too young during the First War. -- (talk · contr) 20 Jul 2011 9:46 PM Pacific
What is also quite interesting to note is that on the "Stormwind City" page, the guy in the throne is dubbed as "Defender of The Crown"... I checked this name in wowwiki and there is not much about information about such a status... What's more important, it is said
"The "Defender of the Crown" and new king of Azeroth after winning the First War (WC1 Human Campaign)."
I see it this way. The Defender of the Crown never existed, because canonically, the Orcish Horde won in the First War, King Llane got killed, and Stormwind was razed... So the Human player character is practically a fully anonymous character, which moreover didn't necessarily had to exist at all... Because "The Defender of The Crown" never defended a crown... Of-course canonically he could have been killed or survived but never got known as king, but this is pure speculation. Anyways, i have came to the conclusion that of-course, the Orcish Warchief is semi-anonymous, as you have noted, Fandyllic. But the human commander seems to be fully anonymous and not necessarily canonical to the official lore... The strangest thing is, for me personally, as a fan of Warcraft, the non-existence of The Defender of the Crown seems to be very fitting canon.
k0ct-ep - the WiSe, WoMaNiZiNg wOnDeEr! 12:59, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Yup, sometimes the games and other sources of lore just don't mesh up. I was reading some reviews of Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects on Amazon and people complained that stuff in the book didn't really match what was happening in WoW, but it's hard to make everything sync when the book is being written around the same time as the game is being developed and stuff in the game is often driven by gameplay and not by lore. -- (talk · contr) 21 Jul 2011 8:13 AM Pacific