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These are my thoughts after browsing the site.

WoWWiki needs a real forum system. If there's a better product out there filling the encyclopedia niche, make a new niche for yourself. Be community-oriented. A more intuitive interface could really set you apart. These tildes and such are just bothersome.

The effort to keep people from knowing about the existence of must end. (Edit: I was trying to be ironic, but I realize that could get ME banned for spam. I don't think there was any harm done though.) WoWWiki needs to survive on its own merits, not because of censorship and ignorance.

Stop doing things like Forum_talk:Tightening_Penalties:_Proposal. Seriously, it's embarrassing.

Engage users. This includes directing them to the forums. There will never be a community here if you don't get people involved in the project.

Hope that helps.

--Alaine S (talk) 22:22, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

It only helps sort of. You haven't really said anything that hasn't been said before. Also, you would have more credibility if you had actually had more involvement than just basically this forum post. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:14 PM PST 12 Dec 2010
Credibility? Those of us long time users of the wiki that decided to make posts after following this issue are the people wikia is trying to desperately keep. What did Alaine say that has the possibility to not be "credible". An opinion was posted that is all. There is no need to add in little attacks like that. If you agree with their opinion state it, if you disagree state why not.
I totally agree that the only way for Wowwiki to survive is to not actively attempt to keep editors uninformed about the alternative. Wikia needs to see themselves as being in competition over editors with wowpedia. They should be doing everything in their power to attempt to generate new editors and get back some that left. They should be concentrating on making changes that benefit the editors not their bottom line. The old saying If you build it they will come applies here. Give people a reason to stay not a reason to leave. SeraphimXI (talk) 00:46, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't disagree with what was said, just that it wasn't adding anything really new to the conversation. I also agree with your points, but we need more constructive and specific suggestions. Saying WoWWiki needs a new forum system without a specific suggestion isn't very helpful either. Also, I doubt a new forum system is going to be a significant competitive advantage over Wowpedia. It isn't hindering them and it's never been a real hindrance to to WoWWiki. Pretty much everyone outside Wikia staff agrees that censoring Wowpedia links is not helpful. I said it, I voted against it.
Alaine S has not contributed to a single article outside the one Forum post edited a few times and moved. The situation is similar to single-issue voters on all kinds of wikis. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:43 PM PST 12 Dec 2010

I thought my post was more constructive than harping about Wikia's motives in keeping the site open.

Fine. If you want something completely original, how about making it into a professionally written guide? Drop the pretenses of having a community. Make it more like --Alaine S (talk) 01:22, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

That is an original suggestion and more what I was looking for. Doubtful Wikia will pursue anything like that, but you have the right idea. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:43 PM PST 12 Dec 2010
How do you think it would work though? From a technical point of view I mean. --Alaine S (talk) 04:58, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
Also, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of reconciling the differences between the two sites. If Wikia gives them more autonomy... Well, I can't speak for the folks at Wowpedia. It's just a thought. --Alaine S (talk) 06:44, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure you'd want a wiki for something professionally written, but Wikia could pay people to write detailed boss fight strategy pages. That's the kind of thing that might be worth paying for, but I'm not sure how much since there is alot of competition in that space.
WoWWiki needs constructive suggestions that don't assume a radically different business model. Otherwise it really isn't a WoW Wiki, is it? Suggestions need to be for things that Wowpedia would have difficulty matching. I don't know how big Curse is, but they are probably big enough that monetary and server resources could probably match or exceed Wikia's. WoWWiki needs probably a PHP savvy person and a willingness by Wikia to allow that person to add useful extensions. Of course, it's already obvious WoWWiki needs a good JS person like Pcj, since they can't figure out how to re-implement tooltips (which is pretty sad).
These are not insurmountable needs.
I don't think reconciliation is likely. The current crew at Wowpedia are getting almost anything they want from Curse and more compared to Wikia. Wikia seems to be under the reins of some psycho process person who is using Wikia as some kind of web development experiment. Change features and functionality without giving users the heads up and then implementing based on user feedback after you've thoroughly pissed them off with giving almost no help documentation to admins. I've been in the software industry for over 20 years and I've never seen such pathological practices.
Ultimately WoWWiki needs Wikia to care enough to compete aggressively with Wowpedia. Wikia has shown no big-picture awareness of the situation WoWWiki's in. Either that or they are holding alot back (which is possible). Regardless, Wikia hasn't given me confidence. I'm giving them roughly until the beginning of next year to prove they have a decent plan. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:54 PM PST 12 Dec 2010
I guess the problem is more systemic than I realized. =\ Wikia's "experiment" appears to have gone over as well as New Coke, at least within the WoW community. --Alaine S (talk) 09:32, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
Well.. basically what Curse is doing is... nothing. Which is what the community wanted. Keep the servers running, update the wiki software when asked, leave everything else to the community. One would think that doing "nothing" is an easy thing to do. Ohwell, I ramble. --Mikk (T) 08:56, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

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