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Who or what is in the Lich King's head? The lore seems inconsistent, and it is bugging me. This should probably be added to the main Lich King article once this is sorted out... perhaps at Arthas#Lich_King_of_the_Scourge.--SWM2448 03:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


  • In Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, the Lich King is the altered spirit of Ner'zhul.
  • In Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, the Lich King consists of Ner'zhul merged with Arthas Menethil into a single entity.
  • In Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, the Lich King consists of Ner'zhul, a small boy (later revealed to be Matthias Lehner), and Arthas Menethil in Nordic (vrykul?) garb.
  • Arthas kills both Ner'zhul and Matthias Lehner, making him the dominant personality within the Lich King, but without any good in him.
  • Arthas physically removed his heart and what is left of Matthias Lehner along with it, and Arthas' heart is later destroyed.
  • Uther's ghost says that "Arthas" still exists within "the Lich King", and is holding the Lich King back. Why there is still good in him is unexplained.
  • Arthas is killed, and the good part of him is freed. The Lich King still exists inside the helmet.
  • Bolvar merges with the Lich King.

Conclusions and Speculation

  • There seems to be a third entity, "The Lich King" existing inside Arthas' body. It likely came about when Arthas merged with Ner'zhul. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King implied that it was Ner'zhul, Arthas' good side, and Arthas' bad side, and that may still be true.
  • The good part of Arthas died thrice (twice if the first time was symbolic of the removal of the heart).
  • Ner'zhul died in Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, but he might be still around.
  • "The Lich King" still exists, and is now within Bolvar.
  • Conspiracy time: Uther the Lightbringer and Terenas Menethil II were lying, and were actually what was left of Ner'zhul trying to get Arthas out of the way. That would explain the "Jailer of the Damned" thing, but that would not explain what the removal of the heart did.
  • Conspiracy time: The second Matthias Lehner was actually Yogg-Saron. That would explain how the heart was evil and Matthias Lehner was (apparently) good at the same time, but would not explain why the heart needed to be removed.


Ner'zhul may or may not actually be dead, depending on how literally that scene is meant to be taken. It seemed very metaphorical and symbolic to me, and could simply have been Arthas mentally suppressing Ner'zhul, leading to him still being a part of the Lich King even after Bolvar takes control. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:17, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Honestly? I think Blizz just lost track of all these little bits and pieces and just kept trying to rewrite the lore from scratch, as a result we end up with the tangled mess which we have today. Personally, I like the idea that Ner'zhul is still alive (cause he is one of the greatest Orc characters EVER). Realisticly, the Lich King, was always Ner'zhul, just with his body destroyed (slowly and painfully) and his shamanistic powers, backed by deominc taint, refocused on necromancy. A powerful being trapped within ice from the nether, sitting atop the roof of the world, how could anyone just take that role? It's not a role, it is the soul of Ner'zhul and all his power. So yeah, my vote is for Arthas wasn't the champion Ner'zhul thought he would be, so he sat back and let Arthas get himself killed so a new champion could be taken. I'm also betting Bolvar wasn't his first choice either, pretty sure he would have loved to be able to dual-wield Froustmourne AND The Ashbringer, but Bolvar discovered the plan, he saved Tirion and Azeroth with his sacrafice and shall always be remembered for it. :) Ok, i'ma shut up now :P Pokeball Max Krist (talk contribs) 09:29, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Best I can tell is that the "evil" in the Lich King was always Ner'zhul and never Arthas, him being the part of the entity preventing the Scourge from overrunning Azeroth. Remember that Kil'jaedan ripped his physical being asunder leaving only his spirit in the armor. Thus Ner'zhul had no true "life" left and you can't kill that which has no life. HA!AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 20:43, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Oh and one more thing, Bolvar may very well have lost all his righteousness after the whole dragonfire and torture stuff and thus MORE vulnerable to the corruption of the vengeful Ner'zhul than Arthas ever was. Let's not forget the whole time he was a pawn to a certain dragon so what does that say about his willpower? In other words, Arthas may turn out to have been a "nicer" Lich King than what Bolvar is going to be.AhotahThunderhorn (talk) 20:50, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Cannot Chris Metzen give us a brief summary of what the hell actually happened. So we can move on with life! xD amagawd... --Mirdamor (talk) 15:43, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

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