Forum:Removal of Video pseudo-namespace

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I'd like to propose the removal of the "Video:" pseudo-namespace and the subsequent turning off of the extension which supplies it.

Currently, it is only used on about 30 pages, and is basically a duplicate of the functionality which is also offered by the <youtube> tag. Further, the administrators have had problems with people uploading and re-uploading videos; one of the particular issues is that it isn't always easy to find where the video are used. Technical issues aside, I just don't see a reason for it (I also don't see a reason for <youtube> tags, but am willing to be more lenient, as those don't produce the same issues). --Sky (t · c) 00:03, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Votes

Yes

1. Yes Sky (t · c) 00:03, September 5, 2010 (UTC) - (Originally proposed)
2. Yes PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 00:06, September 5, 2010 (UTC) - (no comment)
3. Yes Resa1983 (talk) 00:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC) - (no comment)
4. Yes Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC) - (see below)
5. Yes Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:33, September 5, 2010 (UTC) - (The video namespace seems to be one of the primary ways that people upload datamined stuff from MMO-Champion, so getting rid of it would help there.)
6. Yes Aliok (talk) 20:16, September 6, 2010 (UTC) - (Appears to be a sensible & reasonable argument for removal.)

No

Comments

I often see users that use the video space never really link it anywhere most times, or they do use it and when they go to link it on the article end up using the youtube tags anyway. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 00:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Followup

I've requested that Wikia turn off the Video extension, pursuant to the above vote. --Sky (t · c) 16:22, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

And the following is what I received in reply:

Hello.
I'm sorry, but we are unable to disable that extension.
--
Regards,
Chris "Uberfuzzy" Stafford, Wikia Community Support Team

I see this as problematic... --Sky (t · c) 22:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh... I guess we'll just delete on sight, and tell the user not to use it. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 22:59, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

We CSSed the link away, so only the experienced users will know where the "upload" link is, and we can bug them not to use it. --Sky (t · c) 23:06, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I might be able to help out here. Before I do make the request - what are the issues faced with the video tag version, so I can get a sense on what we need to do to it to get it up to scratch. I know of a few things of course, but I'd rather hear from you before mentioning any. Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:45, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm? Are you asking for the specific technical things wrong with the extension as of now? --Sky (t · c) 14:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Feature-wise and technically. I know it is missing features that I very much want to sort out, but it's just not had a chance for further development recently (we want to recode it from the ground up, it's just finding the resources). Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I've had some very interesting and useful feedback from pcj and Sky on IRC - thanks to you both. If you've more, let me know. Edit: also, so you know, we're (Wikia) discussing how we can help out. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:26, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

A proposal

Good morning! Kirkburn in his Wikia capacity here. So, we've been discussing how to help out, and we have a proposal:

• We are okay with disabling the video namespace/tool extension here, leaving the youtube tag.
• We suggest the creation of a wow video wiki that we interwiki to in the appropriate places (wowvideos.wikia, wowtactics.wikia or something), where those with videos can upload their tactics videos.

I think the separate wiki is a good idea as it alleviates the admin load here, yet still gives users the ability to upload a wide variety of tactics videos (which, as we see, a lot of people want to do). Of course, the other wiki still has to be maintained by someone, but it should be easier in general.

To remove the video namespace, we need to make sure the namespace is empty, then I can put in the request.

What do you think? Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:18, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. The Video namespace is empty, except for the ghosts that show up in the API. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 13:40, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

"leaving the youtube tag"...? --Sky (t · c) 20:11, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Special:TagsReport?target=youtube. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:13, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

An unhelpful clarification... --Sky (t · c) 20:18, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leave --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:21, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

No, really. Stop being a dumbass and tell me what you want me to know instead of dancing around like a moron. --Sky (t · c) 20:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

They're leaving the youtube tag on, what is your question? --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:29, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

"What does the line quoted even mean?". It's not even a factor in this discussion, and I purposely didn't make it one of this particular discussion because it will almost certainly have some people supporting a different position than how they supported in this discussion. The use of the youtube tag is one to consider in the (likely near) future, not now, and that's reflected in the just the name of the forum page. That he mentioned it (with a Wikia hat on, as his role is in most discussions now) gives me concern that it will be a binding condition of the removal of the namespace, which is not how this wiki, if no others, work. --Sky (t · c) 20:37, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

The youtube extension is just an extension, it's not a big deal to me. I think you're reading too much into it, but we have other problems with Wikia which as a whole may require re-evaluation of what we want to do with Wikia. --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!•C207,729 contributions and counting) 20:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Those other problems are neither here nor now. I am pushing for exactly one thing and one thing alone on this page, is basically what I'm saying, and I don't want that laden down by terms and conditions. Those "other problems", in a nutshell, but without the other problems. Just this specific instance. --Sky (t · c) 20:51, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, so anyway. I'm going to put in the request regarding disabling the video namespace+tool. (The youtube tag can be maintained like any normal piece of wikitext, hence there's no strong technical need to remove it) Kirkburn  talk  contr 23:10, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Why do you keep trying to argue over the youtube tag here? I just said that that is neither here nor now. :P If you want an invitation to the future conversation to be held over it, I will be glad to personally place a notice on your talk page. --Sky (t · c) 23:39, September 15, 2010 (UTC)