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So as of the time of this writing, Category:Trial of the Crusader mobs and Category:Trial of the Grand Crusader mobs have exactly the same mobs.

I remember hearing rumors that the raid's normal/heroic modes were going to be a bit more different than they turned out... but that doesn't seem to be the case. As far as I can tell there's not going to be a substantive difference between normal/heroic mode (individual boss details aside). So... do we really need the latter category? If not, {{Trial of the Grand Crusader}}, Trial of the Grand Crusader et al can all go away too. --k_d3 05:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I went ahead and changed {{Trial of the Crusader}} to the following:

I point to Money achievement Call of the Crusade (10 player) / Money achievement (25 player) as justification.

I would think that Kill Charts will count each boss of the Beasts of Northrend individualy. And so we should let each boss name in the Template.
Besides isn't there a pause to regen/rez between each Beast?
But that's just my opinion.
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 09:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Moreover: Each boss has his own loot table and Emblems, independant from each other.
Edit2: Following your idea, Anub'arak is not in the achievement why should we let it in the template?
Kill charts are an orthogonal issue. That shouldn't dictate how the navigation templates should work. --k_d3 17:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
It is (imo) easier (much more logical) to find the bosses listed in order of appearence in the template than clicking "Beasts of Northrend" and then schearching for the boss I want.
Are we forced to copy/paste the achievement?
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 17:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've killed the grand category. User:Coobra/Sig4 21:14, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

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