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I was reading through the Wiki when this paragraph caught my eye: For years, the heroes of the Alliance and Horde have fought against the evils in Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms, against the demons of the Burning Legion in Outland, and against each other - all the while unaware that a threat more dangerous than any they had yet encountered was preparing to make its move in the icy continent of Northrend. Now the Lich King, Arthas Menethil, has emerged from Icecrown Citadel to claim the world as his own. Heroes of the Alliance and Horde gather in Northrend to make a stand against the malevolent being that dares to declare himself Azeroth's one true king...and seeks to scour all life from the world

This got me thinking. First i thought "wow, thats a quite awesome way to put it", but then i thought "wait a second, has this attempt to claim the world actually happened?" and all i could think was no. The invasion in the beginning of the expansion only served to cause limited dammage to the Alliance and the Horde and really only lead to the two factions taking a greater interest in Northrend. Since then the most evident thing about their comming to Northrend is the sheer sucess of the invasion. They have, within a few years, gained access to almost every quadrant of the Continent. Arthas has been in almost steady retreat since Wrath began, and his only sucesses, the invasion of Zul'Drak and Sholozar, are both incomplete and, if acheived, largely superfluous to the main theater against the Alliance and Horde, and are only a drain of what appear to be very strained resources. Horde and Alliance airships and warriors fly over Icecrown, bombing the very core of the Litch King's wrelm, and hold their tournamentss just over the hill from the glacier. All of these events he seems powerless to stop. Even when he concentraits his strength, such as at Wintergarde Keep, he fails to gain a victory, and is indeed pushed back. His foes knock upon the very gates of the Wrathgate, and though he put up a good showing of being very powerful individually, he can't be everywhere at once. His newfound allies, the Vrykul, though useful, have failed to stop the Howling Fyord from becoming almost utterly overwhelmed, and even before the Horde and Alliance set foot on the continent, he had hardly mastered it. Indeed, now all that remains is for players to enter his keep, the very epicenter of his power, and KILL him. His entire 'campaign' has been one disaster after annother, and now it seems he is hardly capable of defending his most precious holdings, let alone threatening Orgrimmar or Stormwind. The Litch King and the scourge have proved no match at all for the Horde and Alliance, and all his actions only serve to entice them to greater efforts to destroy him. Thus i may only assume one of two things: Either that the Litch King's fabled strength was a myth, and his empire a much more shakey and feeble entity than it first appeared, or Arthas actually means to loose. Means to draw the Alliance and Horde to the North. Indeed, knows of the Cataclysm. And this brings up the question, does the Litch King die? Perhapse this is all an elaberate ruse for players to kill Arthas so that Ner'Zul may be free of a less pleasant union than he had invisioned and join Deathwing's assention. I know there is alot of material here, but i feel that other peoples thoughts might enlighten me on this matter that could be key element of this expansion. --gadget (talk) 11:49, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yes those attempts to claim the world happened, don't you remember Scourge Invasion I and Scourge Invasion II : The return of the badass ?
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 11:53, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Its like i said in the beginning of my long winded statement, yet invasions occured, but they failed to defeat anyone, and only served to direct the attention of the Alliance and the Horde to Northrend, with disasterous results for the Litch King. Could he actually be so short sighted? Was that the whole plan of this supposedly all powerful entity? gadget (talk) 20:28, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ner'zhul wants to join with Deathwing? WTF lol talk about random mixing of lore that really has nothing to do with each other... Max Krist (talk) 23:40, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

That statement was posted just before the zombie infestation iirc, that's why they said that he emerged to claim the world for his own. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:29, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Still, they have said that the events at Icecrown are leasding towards the Cataclysm, they have said that Arthas is 'leading' us into the north (all on the pannels, don't recal which). They have hinted at a deeper plan than we know of. I do not think this is just random lore mixing, but still, so far the sourge have been pushovers and it doesn't make sence. I think there is more to this than we can see. gadget (talk) 01:42, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that has nothing to do with the first statement, but maybe they are planning something for the patch where we fight the Lich King or a world event at the release of the cataclysm, so we don't know until it's released. Also, I would like to see the exact quote of Arthas 'leading' us as I don't recall seeing it. Finally you should know that Blizz always make the story so that the players win, if you don't believe me just check WC3 and tell me a mission where the player is defeated (the player always win, for example: Admiral Proudmoore didn't defeated the Horde, the Burning Legion didn't defeated the night elves at the Battle of Mount Hyjal or the Sea Witch didn't killed all the Horde and the Darkspear tribe. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 02:03, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, i was not even concidering these options when i made this page, i was simply amazed at the ease with which the Litch King's power has disintigrated, but almost as an afterthought i recalled what had been said on the Cataclysm panel(i know for sure that something along those lines was said, context is all that couldd be in doubt, and given time i will check) and that got me thinking. Yes we will kill Arthas. That is made clear in the same pannel, but it is also hinted that this is part of the Old God's plan, and that the Litch King is infact a part of that plan, as is Deathwing and this Cataclysm (all of this has been hinted to in the past, but was brought into greater focus in the latest Blizcon). All i can figure is that Ner'Zul intends to loose, or at least for Arthas to. The website implies that the so called perfect union is not nearly as perfect as we first thought, and that Arthas has betrayed Ner'Zul. Ner'zul is known for his abilityh to get out of things. This could be his master plan to draw humanity to the North, spend their strenght, and finally free Ner'zul from his new prison, all in time for the Cataclysm. There is no evidence that Arthas's death means the death of the 'Litch King' super-entity. Sorry is this forum is going in a weird dirction, but this could be it (probably not though i concede :P). gadget (talk) 03:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we'll just have to wait to see what Blizzard's plans are for the Lich King. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:51, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Please gadget, it's LICH King not LiTch King. Grumble, grumble, grumble... --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:44 PM PST 24 Sep 2009

Goodness, you are quite right, but it is a spelling mistake i make unpleasantly often. Thanks for pointing it out :) gadget (talk) 10:16, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

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