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| name = Nerubians
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| capital = [[Azjol-Nerub]]
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| leader = [[Nerubian king|King]] (formerly [[Anub'arak]]),<ref><ref>{{ref book |author= Kiley, Ellen P. |authorlink= Ellen P. Kiley |title=[[Lands of Mystery]] |isbn=9781588467843 |pages=}}</ref></ref> "[[Yogg-Saron|unseen emperor]]",<ref name="worldofwarcraft.com">http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/bestiary/index.xml</ref> [[Nerubian queen|Queen]]s, [[Spiderlord]]s,
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| language = [[Nerubian (language)|Nerubian]], [[Common (language)|Common]]
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| slang = [[Draconic]], [[Dwarven]], [[Low Common]], [[Thalassian]] and [[Zandali]].
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| faction = [[Neutral]]
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| character = [[Worker]], [[Nerubian warrior|Warrior]], [[Seer]], [[Webspinner]], [[Nerubian vizier|Vizier]] (nerubian survivors); [[Crypt lord]], [[Crypt fiend]] (Scourge)
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| mount = Not applicable
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| homeworld = [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]]
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| height = Varies by caste.
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| alignment = [[Lawful evil]] (usually or often, depending on caste)<ref><ref>{{ref book |author=Johnson, Luke |authorlink=Luke Johnson |title=[[Dark Factions]] |isbn=9781588464460 |pages=202}}</ref></ref>
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'''Nerubians''' are an ancient [[race]] of intelligent arachnoids native to [[Northrend]] within the [[kingdom]] of [[Azjol-Nerub]].
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==Major Overhaul==
  
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Honestly the entire article should now be cleaned up. Both the biography and the comic synopses should be merged into a single biography to remove the repetition in the content. There is no need to have two biographies. There is also no reason to have sections based on individual issues now that everything has been released. It can all be set up chronologically. Also there is no reason to discuss the flashbacks as flashbacks they could be inserted into where they take place chronologically, with only a nod that he a flash back to that point in time in later sections.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 02:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I think the article is starting to shape up fairly well. It looks a lot nicer than all of the other city leader's imo. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 11:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Note that as of April 29th, I am removing the "cleanup" tag. As said in my edits, I think that the article is leaps and bounds better than it was when the tag was put there. While I'm sure there are small things that could be fixed up, I don't think it warrants the tag any longer. Especially with how the [[Thrall]] and other racial leaders have been as of late (for example). We have sources cited, we have accurate information, we have things in chronological order, no red links, most of it is concise, and there are good images (and not too few or too many). [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 20:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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== Archived ==
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== History ==
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=== Early history ===
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The discussion page was getting very bloated, especially with dead forum-like postings that had nothing to do with the article. I have archived the page. I'm sure that in the coming months there will be plenty new updates with King Varian Wrynn to discuss. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 00:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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At the ancient continent [[Kalimdor]]'s center was a mysterious lake of incandescent energies, the [[Well of Eternity]]. It was the true heart of the world's magic and natural power. From this magical ether the [[silithid]] were born. As the fallen [[Old God]] [[C'Thun]] recognized their appearance, he attempted to sunder the world that it once held in its unmerciful grasp. The [[Old God]] created avatars from the [[silithid]] in its own image. These avatars were to be known as the [[qiraji]].
   
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The [[aqir]] ruled the lands of the far west. These clever insectoids were greatly expansionistic and incredibly evil. The [[aqir]] were obsessed with eradicating all non-{{wplink|Arthropod}} life from the fields of [[Kalimdor]]. So the two big [[troll]] empires of [[Gurubashi]] and [[Amani Empire|Amani]] found their common enemy in the third [[empire]] — the [[nation]]<ref>{{ref book |author=Johnson, Luke |authorlink=Luke Johnson |title=[[Dark Factions]] |isbn=9781588464460 |pages=43}}</ref> of [[Azj'Aqir]].
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I updated the NPCBox a bit. "Lo'Gosh the Ghost Wolf" isn't really his title per say, it's an alias. It's mentioned a few times later in the article, so I removed it for now, but perhaps there's a way to add "Aliases" in the box? Or, the intro to the article could read: "'''Varian Wrynn''', also known as '''Lo'Gosh''' the Ghost Wolf, is the son of the late...." I prefer a simple box-fix though. I also threw in his aggro (hostile to Horde, friendly to Alliance) -- I'm fairly certain all other racial leaders have that. And, I added a few of his known friends: [[Bolvar Fordragon]] (deceased), [[Valeera Sanguinar]], [[Tirion Fordring]], and [[Broll Bearmantle]]. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 17:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:In addition, I'd like to hear what else people think this article needs to lose that "cleanup" tag. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 02:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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The trolls fought them for many thousands of years, but never succeeded in winning a true victory over the [[Aqir]]. Eventually, due to the troll's persistence, [[Azj'Aqir]] split in half as its citizens fled to separate colonies in the far northern and southern regions of the continent.
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Bolvar is presumed to be deceased actually, due to what Alexstraza said at the Wrathgate. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 02:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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Two [[aqir]] city-states emerged — [[Azjol-Nerub]] in the northern wastes and [[Ahn'Qiraj]] in the southern desert. So the new [[Nerubian Empire|empire]] of Azjol-Nerub that stretched like a great web beneath the desolate glaciers of the land later known as [[Northrend]] was founded.<ref>[[The Twin Empires]]</ref>
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:I think the evidence shows that Highlord Bolvar is not dead, however, I don't think we can really get too much into that with this page. Where it says "deceased" next to Bolvar's name in npcbox, I'll link this section of the Bolvar article for people wanting to know more: http://www.wowwiki.com/Bolvar_Fordragon#Fate_of_Bolvar. We can update the article to say "Undead" if an when the time comes. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 18:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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== Varian is Right ==
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=== War of the Spider ===
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Thousands of years later when the [[Lich King]] extended his influence over Northrend, the shadowy empire stood against his power. The ancient subterranean kingdom of Azjol-Nerub sent their elite warrior-guard to attack [[Icecrown]] and end the Lich King's mad bid for dominance. Much to his frustration, [[Ner'zhul]] found that the evil nerubians were immune not only to the [[undead]] [[plague]], but to his telepathic domination as well.
   
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The nerubian [[spiderlord]]s commanded vast forces, and had an underground network that stretched nearly half the breadth of Northrend. Their hit-and-run tactics on the Lich King's strongholds stymied his efforts to root them out time after time. Ultimately, Ner'zhul's war against the nerubians was won by attrition. With the aid of the sinister [[Nathrezim|dreadlords]] and innumerable [[undead]] warriors, the Lich King invaded Azjol-Nerub and brought its subterranean temples crashing down upon the spider lords' heads. The nerubian empire had now fallen for a second time.<ref>{{ref book |author=Blizzard Entertainment |authorlink=Blizzard Entertainment |title=[[Monster Guide]] |isbn=9781588469366 |pages=22}}</ref>
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does anyone else wanna add the facts that were found in the Wowinsider Article "Varian is Right"? I already added the three people he has lost because of the Horde.--[[Image:{{#switch:{{lc:DrakonidBlue}}|unknown=INV_Misc_QuestionMark.png{{!}}18px|<!--felguard=Spell_Shadow_SummonFelGuard.png{{!}}18px|-->|infernal=Spell_Shadow_SummonInfernal.png{{!}}18px|rocket=Ability_Mount_RocketMount.png{{!}}18px|#default=Icon{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{#ifeq:{{lc:Small}}|large|large|small}}}}|large|Large|Small}} DrakonidBlue{{#switch:{{lc:Small}}|f|female=_Female|m|male=_Male|small=|large=|Small}}.gif}}]][[User:Maelstrong|Maelstrong]] 21:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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Though the nerubians were immune to his plague, Ner'zhul's growing necromantic powers allowed him to raise the spider-warriors' corpses and bend them to his will. As a testament to their tenacity and fearlessness, Ner'zhul adopted the nerubians' distinctive architectural style for his own fortresses and structures. Though there are few pockets of nerubian warriors left, they still seek to gain vengeance upon Ner’zhul and reclaim their subterranean kingdom.<ref name="ReferenceA">[[War of the Spider (History of Warcraft)]]</ref>
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:If you want to, you do it. They will be removed if they become too fan opinion based.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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=== Recent history ===
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:All facts relevant to King Varian and his distaste for the Horde's faction are currently in the article (the orcs murdering of [[Llane Wrynn]], the Forsaken and the [[Wrathgate]], the Forsaken and Lordaeron, the orcs and [[Broken Front]], the orcs and [[Warsong]] and so on and so forth). All the information in the opinion article is correct, but not needed - we don't need to restate what's already been said. Also, I think the sentence is a bit unnecessary. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 00:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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Now, the nerubians are a depleted and embittered people. Most live in Northrend and shun all contact with outsiders — indeed, they attack intruders on sight, viewing all creatures not of their kind with suspicion. Understandably, they possess a vitriolic hatred of undead, especially crypt fiends and crypt lords. They realize that they are too weak to overthrow the Lich King, and must content themselves with their pathetic guerrilla war.<ref>{{ref book |author=Johnson, Luke |authorlink=Luke Johnson |title=[[Dark Factions]] |isbn=9781588464460 |pages=44}}</ref>
   
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[[Mael Shelub]], a living nerubian [[necromancer]] traveled south and worked with (but hated) the [[Forsaken]] [[Blarus Whitrick]] to defeat the Scourge in [[Silverpine Forest]].<ref>{{ref book |author=Arthaus |title=[[Lands of Conflict]] |isbn=9781588469601 |pages=143}}</ref>
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It would be more convincing if an admin removed it.--[[Image:{{#switch:{{lc:DrakonidBlue}}|unknown=INV_Misc_QuestionMark.png{{!}}18px|<!--felguard=Spell_Shadow_SummonFelGuard.png{{!}}18px|-->|infernal=Spell_Shadow_SummonInfernal.png{{!}}18px|rocket=Ability_Mount_RocketMount.png{{!}}18px|#default=Icon{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{#ifeq:{{lc:Small}}|large|large|small}}}}|large|Large|Small}} DrakonidBlue{{#switch:{{lc:Small}}|f|female=_Female|m|male=_Male|small=|large=|Small}}.gif}}]][[User:Maelstrong|Maelstrong]] 01:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I wasn't trying to convince anyone, I was simply stating my opinion -- and I think it's a correct one. It isn't really a note or a piece of trivia either; Llane's death is very early in the biography, Highlord Bolvar's is in the NPCBox...the information added again just seems superfluous to me. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 04:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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=== Wrath of the Lich King ===
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::That article explains his mindset perfectly, to my mind. However, wowinsider isn't Blizzard, and psychoanalysis is not part of what we do here. Yes, Varian's opinions are rarely justified, and it's good to see someone actually explaining his mindset for once- as the audience, we have the gift of clarity: we know that Jaina and Rhonin are right and that people like Varian and Garrosh need to move on, and we often forget that in the world itself, things aren't that simple.
  
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::Anyway, back to the actual topic. I don't think that we need a "trivia" note about how many people he's lost to the Horde, it's all elsewhere in the article. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 04:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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With the death of their former leaders, the [[nerubian vizier]]s have risen to power. They serve an "unseen emperor", one who is destined to lead the ancient spider-people to a final victory over the Scourge.<ref name="worldofwarcraft.com"/> ''This does not seem to be touched upon in WotLK.''
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:::I do disagree on the point of King Varian's distrust for the Horde; I don't think that 'moving on' is realistic after all that's happened. There is point when blind peace isn't the answer. The Horde (orcs and Forsaken specifically) have easily caused the deaths of more Alliance members than the Scourge and Yogg-Saron combined. It seems to work out that as far as the average Alliance person is concerned, they both are very dangerous, with leaders just as dangerous as the Lich King (i.e. Sylvanas, who wants to wipe out all life on Azeroth), not to mention the Horde actively occupying a human capital. Meh, but this isn't a forum. Bottom line, we shouldn't let the page devolve into an analysis of his beliefs. Well, there's the Admin if you really needed it Maelstrong. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 06:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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In the quests {{quest|The Faceless Ones|The Faceless Ones}} and {{quest|Proof of Demise: Herald Volazj|Proof of Demise: Herald Volaz}}, [[Kilix the Unraveler]] and [[Archmage Lan'dalock]] say that as the nerubians fought the [[Scourge]], they dug deeper underground as they lost ground to the undead. "We inadvertently exposed a tendril of the Old God's will, which was made manifest in the creatures known only as the Faceless." He then goes on to say that they lost the war because "In the end, we could not fight on two fronts against such powerful enemies. Our misfortune cost us the war against the undead, and ultimately, our home." implying that the nerubians discovered the faceless ones by accident.<ref>{{quest|The Faceless Ones}}</ref>
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Geez, we dont want no "Hitler was right" articles to wowwiki. Just forget it. [[User:Noobi666|Noobi666]] ([[User talk:Noobi666|talk]]) 07:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Honestly, that was completly out of line. You must be mistaking him for one of the [[Horde]] leaders like [[Sylvanas]], who is actively trying to wipe out all life on Azeroth. (Confirmed by the new Arthas novel, not to mention every RPG about her, and in-game quests). [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 17:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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::And <i>that</i>, sir, is what is called "laying down the law". [[User:DacianWarlord|DacianWarlord]] ([[User talk:DacianWarlord|talk]]) 23:44, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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== Varian's Brother? ==
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== Culture ==
   
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Azjol-Nerub contained huge libraries of literature, philosophy, and arcane lore. Occasionally, the kingdom would kidnap [[human]]s and [[elf|elves]] for experimentation.<ref name="ReferenceC">{{ref book |author=Borgstrom, Rebecca |coauthors=Eric Brennan, Genevieve Cogman, and Michael Goodwin |title=[[Manual of Monsters]] |isbn=978-1588-4607-07 |pages=69}}</ref>
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I may be wrong or it may have been talked about before but on wikipedia I found an interesting note about the Movie:
  
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"at Blizzcon 2007, on the panel with executives from Legendary Pictures, Chris Metzen also noted that Varian Wrynn, "Might have a brother"."
  
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Don't know what you'll make of this :) --[[User:Senoj|Senoj]] ([[User talk:Senoj|talk]]) 19:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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[[Kel'Thuzad]] claims that they were fiercely intelligent, and their will dedicated to wiping out any who were not like themselves.<ref>''[[Arthas: Rise of the Lich King]]'', page 216</ref> Much like the [[aqir]].
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:Well, more or less, but the actual quote is different. When he was asked if the bad-ass human was the, that time unknown, same guy of the comic he answered this: "Nope, but they could be twins".
  
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:So I would say that the wikipedia quote is wrong, that was just said to not spoil who the guy of the comic was (who resulted to be Varian) and don't give too much detail to the movie; but answering the question that they weren't the same guy. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 20:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Oh I forgot, here is the source: [http://www.wow.com/2007/08/04/liveblogging-the-blizzcon-movie-panel/]. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 20:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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Nerubians are cruel and xenophobic.<ref name="ReferenceB">{{ref book |author= Kiley, Ellen P. |authorlink= Ellen P. Kiley |title=[[Lands of Mystery]] |isbn=9781588467843 |pages=146}}</ref> Like their [[silithid]] relatives are hostile to all races.<ref>{{ref book |author=Johnson, Luke |authorlink=Luke Johnson |title=[[Dark Factions]] |isbn=9781588464460 |pages=44}}</ref>
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Oh that is accurate, that was Metzen's quote, "he might have a twin."
  
   
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Nerubian culture may place great store in longevity; Nerubians encountered at the [[Sundered Monolith]] told [[Brann Bronzebeard|Brann]] their ages, and they seemed impressed by his.<ref name="ReferenceB"/>
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== Exaggerated ==
  
   
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Legends tell of the nerubians' using the [[jormungar]] as creatures of labor, forcing them to carve massive tunnels through Northrend's subterranean ice and lay the groundwork for the nerubians' ancient civilization.<ref name="worldofwarcraft.com"/>
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The article is too puffed up! For example, almost every sentence made by Varian is eagerly copied into the 'Quotes' heading. Every picture available is shoved into the article, thinking that every fart must be accompanied by a screenshot. It makes the article less clarifying. I think it's too much. - [[User:Unireal|Unireal]] 16:24, 17 September 2009 (CET)
  
   
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''Nerubian culture resembles the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian culture in terms of their architecture, though the ziggurats are of a completely different design.''
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:Trim the quotes section at your leisure, then. Demote most of the pics to a gallery, like the one at [[Sylvanas Windrunner]].--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:37, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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== Figure ==
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As attested by many traps and contraptions in [[Azjol-Nerub]] dungeons, they were once good engineers.<ref>{{ref game|title=Warcraft III|expansion=[[The Frozen Throne]]|campaign=[[Legacy of the Damned]]|mission=[[Into the Shadow Web Caverns]]}}</ref>
   
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The Nerubian architectural style was adopted by the [[Lich King]] after the [[War of the Spider]]<ref name="ReferenceA"/> and so [[Ziggurat]]s, the big [[Necropolis]]es [[Naxxramas]] and [[Acherus: The Ebon Hold|Acherus]] refer to their building style. Of course most of the architecture can be seen in [[Azjol-Nerub]] itself. Another good example for their style is the statue in the [[Pit of Fiends]].
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That figure's a bit odd. It looks like Conan the Barbarian or something. [[User:BobNamataki|BobNamataki]] ([[User talk:BobNamataki|talk]]) 10:03, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  
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:It's from when he was a Horde gladiator. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:31, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
  
   
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== Incredibly confusing ==
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=== Society ===
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Different types of nerubian are referred to as castes with a life-long occupation and responsibility in society. Seers, for example, are relatively high-level nerubians who act as priests and mages. Spider lords are the rulers of the society in the same mold as the aristocracy of humanoid races.<ref name="ReferenceC"/>
   
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The spider is the most common motif of the nerubians, and they have appeared to have evolved at least partially into an arachnid race (eight limbs) from an insectoid race (six limbs). Despite the nerubian cultural association with spiders (who reproduce through any male and any female), they reproduce as social insects do, through queens.
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I can't help but notice that from the Revelations section to the end of the Corruption Ends section, the article is incredibly confusing. This is a bit of a plea for a rewrite - I'd do so myself, but I have no access to the material I'd need to do so. If someone does, making it a little more coherent would be helpful. [[User:Ellethwen|Ellethwen]] ([[User talk:Ellethwen|talk]]) 13:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
  
   
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[[Undead]] nerubians are usually under control of the [[Scourge]] and are known as [[crypt fiend]]s (in the case of most nerubians) and [[crypt lord]]s (undead [[spiderlord]]s). Too few crypt fiends appear in Azeroth, so nobody knows yet what nerubian females look like or are called.
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== Last Name Pronunciation ==
  
   
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Nerubians tend toward evil; they have always been ruthless and aggressive, and since the fall of the Spider Kingdom these traits are more pronounced. Still, nerubians are intelligent, and not all fall into dark ways. They may join a group of adventurers in the hopes of striking against the Lich King, or of gaining the power to do so. Other nerubians, often young ones, leave their homes because they want no part of their people's hopeless conflict and desire to become more than embittered survivors — perhaps they want to attain, at an individual level at least, the heights their people once possessed. The remote possibility exists that a handful of nerubians are not evil and could get along with other races better than their brethren.<ref>{{ref book |author=Johnson, Luke |authorlink=Luke Johnson |title=[[Dark Factions]] |isbn=9781588464460 |pages=44}}</ref>
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I've been wondering how you pronounce his last name. I've heard many different variations, include (Rinn) and (Rine). Now I have been calling him (Vare-ee-in Rine) since the beginning, but I'm just wondering if there is an official pronunciation for him. [[Image:BigstackstwoSignature.gif]]&nbsp;[[User:Bigstackstwo|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Bigstackstwo">Bigstackstwo</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Bigstackstwo|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Bigstackstwo|contr]])</small><!-- {{subst:#time:g":"i A "PST" j M Y|+0800}}--> 04:05, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
  
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:Rinn. It rhymes with Tin. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
  
   
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=== Languages ===
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Nerubians speak [[Common]] and [[Nerubian (language)|Nerubian]]. Nerubian is both a spoken and a sign language.<ref name="ReferenceC"/> Many nerubians are fluent in Common as well as their own tongue (a clicking rasping language).<ref>{{ref book |author= Kiley, Ellen P. |authorlink= Ellen P. Kiley |title=[[Lands of Mystery]] |isbn=9781588467843 |pages=144}}</ref>
   
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=== Faith ===
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Just saw the interview where Jon St. John himself said so (and I love that they're FRIGGIN' FINALLY releaving DN Forever)...when was this? I thought that was all Metzen. --[[User:Joshmaul|Joshmaul]] ([[User talk:Joshmaul|talk]]) 04:23, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
  
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In ancient Azjol-Nerub, there were five or six schools of religious thought, and theological debates were common. Eventually, however, nerubians have come to a conclusion that worshiping creatures from beyond the world is insane, and, in the words of the seer [[Ul'Tomon]], "makes as much sense as a fly caught in a web worshiping the spider who is about to devour him". To modern nerubians, even the concept of "worship" itself is alien.<ref>{{ref book |author= Kiley, Ellen P. |authorlink= Ellen P. Kiley |title=[[Lands of Mystery]] |isbn=9781588467843 |pages=143}}</ref>
   
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== Film Actors Edit ==
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== Castes ==
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*{{RaceIconExt|NerubianFlyer}} [[Nerubian flyer]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Nerubian king]] (only a single one)
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*[[Nerubian queen]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|NerubianVizier|Small}} [[Nerubian seer]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|NerubianSpiderling|Small}} [[Spiderling|Nerubian Spiderling]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Spiderlord|Nerubian spiderlord]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|NerubianVizier|Small}} [[Nerubian vizier]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Nerubian warrior]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Webspinner|Nerubian webspinner]] {{wotlk-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Nerubian worker]] {{wotlk-inline}}
   
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==Notable==
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Hi, I had one of my edits to Varian Wrynn changed. I put "Warcraft Movie Actors" then put the actor Mark Hildebrandt, and it was taken off. I got an e-mail that said what proof is there he is in the movie, meaning Mark Hildebrandt the actor or Varian Wrynn the character.
  
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Anub'arak]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Anub'Rekhan]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Kilix the Unraveler]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Lord Kryxix]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Mael Shelub]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Nerubian|Small}} [[Nezar'Azret]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Anub'et'kan|Under-King Anub'et'kan]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CryptLord|Small}} [[Underking Talonox]]
   
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I won't post it if you don't want, but Ive been following the Warcraft film for awhile, and there is no doubt Mark Hildebrandt is either playing Varian Wrynn, the "bad ass warrior" I believe is how they describe him, or an original character that is the lead of the film that is the "kick ass warrior."
  
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Image:Nerubian2.jpg|A nerubian as seen in ''Warcraft III''.
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Image:Nerubian3.JPG|Nerubians fighting murlocs.
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Image:Nerubian Ziggurat W3.jpg|Nerubians lived in or drew power from [[Ziggurat]]s in ''Warcraft III''.
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Image:Nerubians2.JPG|Nerubians in their halls.
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Image:NerubianStructure1.jpg|A nerubian building. A hint of [[qiraji]] style can be seen.
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File:NerubianStructure2.jpg|Another nerubian building.
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Image:WWI Nerubian.jpg|Unknown nerubian concept artwork
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Image:WarCraft Raneman009b.jpg|Nerubian elder
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Image:WarCraft Raneman008b.jpg|[[Nerubian flyer]]
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Image:WarCraft Raneman007b.jpg|Nerubian assassin
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The reason being is he has been listed on IMDb as the lead of the Warcraft film, Varian Wrynn, for the better part of two years. Please see below, you might have to ace IMDb Pro.
  
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*At [[Blizzcon 2007]], the nerubians and the Old Gods were described as B.F.F.<ref>http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/04/blizzcon-day-2-wow-lore-and-quests-panel-liveblog/</ref>
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[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2864849/]
  
   
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*''There are still pockets of nerubians down there literally fighting for their lives, and we have any number of plans about how they play into things. What are they about? Are they principled, or even worse in some ways than the Scourge itself?'' -[[Chris Metzen]]<ref>http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=1&cId=3163178</ref>
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It's not like he was on IMDb then off, he has been listed for nearly two years. Also films that large in development or preproduction have the cast confirmed by the production office.
  
   
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*A creature who bears some distant resemblance to the nerubians is described in the ''[[Manual of Monsters]]'' [[Manual of Monsters/Appendix Three|Appendix Three]], the [[Manual of Monsters/Appendix Three#Ankheg|Ankhegs]], however, the validity of the source is disputed.
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Also the guy that trained Christian Bale for Batman Begins, and a lot of other well known actors for stage com at put "Sword Trainer for Mark Hildebrandt playing Varian Wrynn of Warcraft. " This is somebody with Legendary Pictures all over there resume. I just looked it's "Robert Goodwin" of film fighting LA, and Hildebrandt is really being advertised. It has been on Robert Goodwin's website for a long time so he is being trained to look seriously good wield a sword.
  
   
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Hildebrandt was also close to being the new "Mad Max," and is rumored to play Mark Antony against Angelina Jolie in Cleopatra. Point being he can act.
  
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I won't post it but it doesn't get much more factual then that. <small>—The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Ariel10}}.</small>
  
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:Doing a quick google search will tell you that he has [http://wow.incgamers.com/blog/comments/warcraft-movie-mark-hildebrandt-joins-the-rumor-mill/ debunked the rumor that he is involved in the Warcraft Movie]. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 06:46, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
  
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That is true, I have seen that, but actors are under gag orders. As you can see by the link/citations he is heavily advertised as Varian Wrynn by a stunt trainer. [http://www.stuntfightingworkout.com/][http://www.stuntfightingworkout.com/]Mark Hildebrandt is heavily advertised as being trained by this swordmaster who has trained Christian Bale for Batman Begins, also a Legendary Pictures film.
  
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:IMDB is probably the worst place you could go for citing in-production movie news. It's like Wikipedia - anyone can friggin' edit it. Take it with a grain of salt. --[[User:Joshmaul|Joshmaul]] ([[User talk:Joshmaul|talk]]) 11:18, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
  
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::That last comment is a little ironic, given that this is also a wiki that anyone could edit. IMO, you should ''reference'' real-world info like that, using a ''reliable'' source. That's something IMDb does not do. [[user: PsiSeveredHead|PSH aka Kimera 757]] ([[user talk: PsiSeveredHead|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/PsiSeveredHead|contribs]]) 11:33, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
  
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:::Okay, let me rephrase that: It's worse than Wikipedia - anyone can friggin' edit it without any evidence to support it. (Seeing how many different things people have put ME in. And yes, I'm on the IMDB for a very minor role in a documentary some years back. *grin*) --[[User:Joshmaul|Joshmaul]] ([[User talk:Joshmaul|talk]]) 19:22, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
  
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I disagree completely, for major roles they go through production offices. Mark Hildebrandt has been on IMDb as Varian Wrynn for nearly two years. Legendary would allow that?
  
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Is this Wiki for real? Anyone can put there picture next to a major motion picture for two years? Mark Hildebrandt [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2864849/] has been listed as Varian Wrynn for two years. He is still up as Varian to this day on IMDb and many other sites. Also, I put up this link many times. Why would the fight trainer of Christian Bale of Batman Begins ,Robert Goodwin a man contracted through Legendary Pictures, be advertising himself as the weapons trainer for Mark Hildebrandt playing Varian Wrynn in Warcraft?[http://www.stuntfightingworkout.com/] Is he just putting that up on his site as well even though he has done a lot of work for Warner Bros including Sherlock Holmes, and Hildebrandt as Lancelot in Excalibur as well Varian in Warcraft. He is a film industry person, is his site a wiki as well? Don't you think he has a reputation? This is a major source and it is does not just come down to IMDb. Also the people who think IMDb like wiki let's see you put yourself on.
  
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This is a unreliable wiki that ignores facts. Not acknowledging that website is like saying Cataclysm is not coming out. Also Mark Hildebrandt is on hundreds of sites as Varian Wrynn. {{unsigned|Ariel10}}
  
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It certainly seems probable that he will be playing Varian. Though, whether this should be included, I'll leave up to someone else. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 23:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
  
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I put in a Personality section because that's how Christie Golden described Varian in the [[The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm]] almost word for word. But [[User:Tevri]] edited it with stuff from his interpretation based on events from his biography.
 
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http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Varian_Wrynn&diff=prev&oldid=2494721
  
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I think that it should be edited back that way it was before he "trimmed" it because it seems interpretive to me. ([[User:Sports72Xtrm|Sports72Xtrm]] ([[User talk:Sports72Xtrm|talk]]) 06:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)).
  
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I disagree. The grammar in the original was very poor, and had to be cleaned up and streamlined. Everything from the original post is there, just shorter. Nothing is interpreted, other than that Varian loves his people and his son--both of which, I doubt anyone would deny, and that sentence is just there as a "lead-in" to the canon elements. Some things can be inferred very accurately, and I believe the paragraph is a completely accurate assessment of the character Blizzard has portrayed. I wont deny that is imperfect, however, I think it is vastly better than the previous one was. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 02:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
  
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As the Headline suggests, I propose the removal or overhaul of the heading "World of Warcraft". It's hardly serving its purpose with Stormrage and The Shattering novel info under it, surely it would be better off just merged as part of the biography? [[User:Lyvefire|Lyvefire]] ([[User talk:Lyvefire|talk]]) 14:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
  
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I went ahead and made the edits since nobody seemed to raise any objetions here.
  
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I sincerely hope nobody minds me taking the initiative but I feel the article looks a lot better for it. [[User:Lyvefire|Lyvefire]] ([[User talk:Lyvefire|talk]]) 15:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
  
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I just finished reading the whole article, when I noticed a discrepency in "Patch Changes". It is mentioned a few times earlier in the page that Varian Wyrnn was removed from Alcaz Island in patch 1.9. But at the end someone put in as that being the patch he was ''added'' into the game, with patch 1.10 being the date of his removal from said island. I did not start playing WoW until about 6 months before TBC was released, so I am uncertain as to which date he was added/removed.
  
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If no one offers any comments, I will go ahead and edit the section to bring it in line with the rest of the article. [[User:Alayea|Alayea]] ([[User talk:Alayea|talk]]) 08:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  

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Nerubians are an ancient race of intelligent arachnoids native to Northrend within the kingdom of Azjol-Nerub.

History

Early history

At the ancient continent Kalimdor's center was a mysterious lake of incandescent energies, the Well of Eternity. It was the true heart of the world's magic and natural power. From this magical ether the silithid were born. As the fallen Old God C'Thun recognized their appearance, he attempted to sunder the world that it once held in its unmerciful grasp. The Old God created avatars from the silithid in its own image. These avatars were to be known as the qiraji.

The aqir ruled the lands of the far west. These clever insectoids were greatly expansionistic and incredibly evil. The aqir were obsessed with eradicating all non-Arthropod life from the fields of Kalimdor. So the two big troll empires of Gurubashi and Amani found their common enemy in the third empire — the nation[1] of Azj'Aqir.

The trolls fought them for many thousands of years, but never succeeded in winning a true victory over the Aqir. Eventually, due to the troll's persistence, Azj'Aqir split in half as its citizens fled to separate colonies in the far northern and southern regions of the continent.

Two aqir city-states emerged — Azjol-Nerub in the northern wastes and Ahn'Qiraj in the southern desert. So the new empire of Azjol-Nerub that stretched like a great web beneath the desolate glaciers of the land later known as Northrend was founded.[2]

War of the Spider

Thousands of years later when the Lich King extended his influence over Northrend, the shadowy empire stood against his power. The ancient subterranean kingdom of Azjol-Nerub sent their elite warrior-guard to attack Icecrown and end the Lich King's mad bid for dominance. Much to his frustration, Ner'zhul found that the evil nerubians were immune not only to the undead plague, but to his telepathic domination as well.

The nerubian spiderlords commanded vast forces, and had an underground network that stretched nearly half the breadth of Northrend. Their hit-and-run tactics on the Lich King's strongholds stymied his efforts to root them out time after time. Ultimately, Ner'zhul's war against the nerubians was won by attrition. With the aid of the sinister dreadlords and innumerable undead warriors, the Lich King invaded Azjol-Nerub and brought its subterranean temples crashing down upon the spider lords' heads. The nerubian empire had now fallen for a second time.[3]

Though the nerubians were immune to his plague, Ner'zhul's growing necromantic powers allowed him to raise the spider-warriors' corpses and bend them to his will. As a testament to their tenacity and fearlessness, Ner'zhul adopted the nerubians' distinctive architectural style for his own fortresses and structures. Though there are few pockets of nerubian warriors left, they still seek to gain vengeance upon Ner’zhul and reclaim their subterranean kingdom.[4]

Recent history

Now, the nerubians are a depleted and embittered people. Most live in Northrend and shun all contact with outsiders — indeed, they attack intruders on sight, viewing all creatures not of their kind with suspicion. Understandably, they possess a vitriolic hatred of undead, especially crypt fiends and crypt lords. They realize that they are too weak to overthrow the Lich King, and must content themselves with their pathetic guerrilla war.[5]

Mael Shelub, a living nerubian necromancer traveled south and worked with (but hated) the Forsaken Blarus Whitrick to defeat the Scourge in Silverpine Forest.[6]

Wrath of the Lich King

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With the death of their former leaders, the nerubian viziers have risen to power. They serve an "unseen emperor", one who is destined to lead the ancient spider-people to a final victory over the Scourge.[7] This does not seem to be touched upon in WotLK.

In the quests The Faceless Ones and Proof of Demise: Herald Volaz, Kilix the Unraveler and Archmage Lan'dalock say that as the nerubians fought the Scourge, they dug deeper underground as they lost ground to the undead. "We inadvertently exposed a tendril of the Old God's will, which was made manifest in the creatures known only as the Faceless." He then goes on to say that they lost the war because "In the end, we could not fight on two fronts against such powerful enemies. Our misfortune cost us the war against the undead, and ultimately, our home." implying that the nerubians discovered the faceless ones by accident.[8]

Culture

Azjol-Nerub contained huge libraries of literature, philosophy, and arcane lore. Occasionally, the kingdom would kidnap humans and elves for experimentation.[9]

Kel'Thuzad claims that they were fiercely intelligent, and their will dedicated to wiping out any who were not like themselves.[10] Much like the aqir.

Nerubians are cruel and xenophobic.[11] Like their silithid relatives are hostile to all races.[12]

Nerubian culture may place great store in longevity; Nerubians encountered at the Sundered Monolith told Brann their ages, and they seemed impressed by his.[11]

Legends tell of the nerubians' using the jormungar as creatures of labor, forcing them to carve massive tunnels through Northrend's subterranean ice and lay the groundwork for the nerubians' ancient civilization.[7]

Nerubian culture resembles the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian culture in terms of their architecture, though the ziggurats are of a completely different design.

Architecture

As attested by many traps and contraptions in Azjol-Nerub dungeons, they were once good engineers.[13]

The Nerubian architectural style was adopted by the Lich King after the War of the Spider[4] and so Ziggurats, the big Necropolises Naxxramas and Acherus refer to their building style. Of course most of the architecture can be seen in Azjol-Nerub itself. Another good example for their style is the statue in the Pit of Fiends.

Society

Different types of nerubian are referred to as castes with a life-long occupation and responsibility in society. Seers, for example, are relatively high-level nerubians who act as priests and mages. Spider lords are the rulers of the society in the same mold as the aristocracy of humanoid races.[9]

The spider is the most common motif of the nerubians, and they have appeared to have evolved at least partially into an arachnid race (eight limbs) from an insectoid race (six limbs). Despite the nerubian cultural association with spiders (who reproduce through any male and any female), they reproduce as social insects do, through queens.

Undead nerubians are usually under control of the Scourge and are known as crypt fiends (in the case of most nerubians) and crypt lords (undead spiderlords). Too few crypt fiends appear in Azeroth, so nobody knows yet what nerubian females look like or are called.

Nerubians tend toward evil; they have always been ruthless and aggressive, and since the fall of the Spider Kingdom these traits are more pronounced. Still, nerubians are intelligent, and not all fall into dark ways. They may join a group of adventurers in the hopes of striking against the Lich King, or of gaining the power to do so. Other nerubians, often young ones, leave their homes because they want no part of their people's hopeless conflict and desire to become more than embittered survivors — perhaps they want to attain, at an individual level at least, the heights their people once possessed. The remote possibility exists that a handful of nerubians are not evil and could get along with other races better than their brethren.[14]

Languages

Nerubians speak Common and Nerubian. Nerubian is both a spoken and a sign language.[9] Many nerubians are fluent in Common as well as their own tongue (a clicking rasping language).[15]

Faith

In ancient Azjol-Nerub, there were five or six schools of religious thought, and theological debates were common. Eventually, however, nerubians have come to a conclusion that worshiping creatures from beyond the world is insane, and, in the words of the seer Ul'Tomon, "makes as much sense as a fly caught in a web worshiping the spider who is about to devour him". To modern nerubians, even the concept of "worship" itself is alien.[16]

Castes

Notable

Gallery

  • A nerubian as seen in Warcraft III.

    A nerubian as seen in Warcraft III.

  • Nerubians fighting murlocs.

    Nerubians fighting murlocs.

  • Nerubians lived in or drew power from Ziggurats in Warcraft III.

    Nerubians lived in or drew power from Ziggurats in Warcraft III.

  • Nerubians in their halls.

    Nerubians in their halls.

  • A nerubian building. A hint of qiraji style can be seen.

    A nerubian building. A hint of qiraji style can be seen.

  • Another nerubian building.

    Another nerubian building.

  • Unknown nerubian concept artwork

    Unknown nerubian concept artwork

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    Nerubian elder

  • WarCraft Raneman008b.jpg

    Nerubian flyer

  • WarCraft Raneman007b.jpg

    Nerubian assassin

Notes

  • There are still pockets of nerubians down there literally fighting for their lives, and we have any number of plans about how they play into things. What are they about? Are they principled, or even worse in some ways than the Scourge itself? -Chris Metzen[18]

See also

References

 
  1. ^ Johnson, Luke. Dark Factions, 43. ISBN 9781588464460. 
  2. ^ The Twin Empires
  3. ^ Blizzard Entertainment. Monster Guide, 22. ISBN 9781588469366. 
  4. ^ a b War of the Spider (History of Warcraft)
  5. ^ Johnson, Luke. Dark Factions, 44. ISBN 9781588464460. 
  6. ^ Arthaus. Lands of Conflict, 143. ISBN 9781588469601. 
  7. ^ a b Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named worldofwarcraft.com
  8. ^ The Faceless Ones
  9. ^ a b c Borgstrom, Rebecca; Eric Brennan, Genevieve Cogman, and Michael Goodwin. Manual of Monsters, 69. ISBN 978-1588-4607-07. 
  10. ^ Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, page 216
  11. ^ a b Kiley, Ellen P.. Lands of Mystery, 146. ISBN 9781588467843. 
  12. ^ Johnson, Luke. Dark Factions, 44. ISBN 9781588464460. 
  13. ^ "Legacy of the Damned: Into the Shadow Web Caverns", Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. Blizzard Entertainment.
  14. ^ Johnson, Luke. Dark Factions, 44. ISBN 9781588464460. 
  15. ^ Kiley, Ellen P.. Lands of Mystery, 144. ISBN 9781588467843. 
  16. ^ Kiley, Ellen P.. Lands of Mystery, 143. ISBN 9781588467843. 
  17. ^ http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/04/blizzcon-day-2-wow-lore-and-quests-panel-liveblog/
  18. ^ http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=1&cId=3163178
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