Changes: Chill of the Throne

The Dark Side of the Light
Start	Joseph the Awakened
End	Joseph the Awakened
Level	30
Type	Dungeon
Category	Scarlet Monastery
Rewards	1 7

Revision as of 16:39, 2 October 2010

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Objectives

Kill Interrogator Vishas and Bloodmage Thalnos.

Interrogator Vishas slain
Bloodmage Thalnos slain

Description

I joined the Scarlet Crusade as a young paladin, eager to cleanse the world of evil. Little did I know of the dark truth to these fanatics.

Interrogator Vishas and Bloodmage Thalnos oversee this graveyard. They take great pleasure in torturing new recruits endlessly to ensure that they are 'pure'. It is an affront to the Light, <class>!

No longer can I be a part of this corrupt organization. You're going to have to kill them both, so that others will never endure the same pain I did.

Rewards

You will receive: 1 7

Progress

I cannot help you with your task - if we are to cleanse this place then I must maintain my cover.

Completion

What do you mean Thalnos was an undead? That's impossible. The entire mission of the Scarlet Crusade is to destroy the undead! There's just no way...

You have muddled my thoughts. Please take this reward for your achievement and leave me to rest.

Notes

This is the post-Cataclysm quest of the graveyard wing of the Scarlet Monastery. The questgiver stands just inside.

Vishas is in the first room, the Chamber of Atonement standing over Vorrel Sengutz. Thalnos, a skeletal mage, is at the bottom of Honor's Tomb on the far side of the Forlorn Cloister.

Quest progression

Graveyard
- Breadcrumbs (optional):
  - [30D] The Scarlet Monastery / [30D] Into the Scarlet Monastery
- [30D] The Dark Side of the Light
Library
- Breadcrumbs (optional):
  - [33D] Just Close Enough / [33D] The Right Way
- [33D] The Only True Path / [33D] Stripping Their Defenses
- [33D] Compendium of the Fallen
Armory
- Breadcrumbs (optional):
  - [35D] An Old, Crazed Friend / [35D] Moving Things Along
- [36D] The False Champion / [36D] Stripping Their Offense
- [36D] Without Rhyme or Reason
Cathedral
- Breadcrumbs (optional):
  - [38D] Pitting Madness Against Madness / [38D] Enemies Abroad
- [39D] Battle for the Scarlet Monastery
- [39D] Right Under Their Noses

Patch history

Patch 4.0.3 (2010-11-16): Added

External links

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+{{stub/Cataclysm}}{{questbox
-<onlyinclude>{{effecttip
-|name=Chill of the Throne
+|name=The Dark Side of the Light
+|id=
-|type=Physical
+|level=30
-|etype=Buff
+|levelreq=
-|icon=Achievement Zone IceCrown 01.png
+|type=Dungeon
-|description=The chilling presence of the Frozen Throne reduces the chance of an enemy to dodge melee attacks by 20%.
+|faction=Alliance
-|float=right
+|start=[[Joseph the Awakened]]
-}}</onlyinclude>
+|category=Scarlet Monastery
+|money={{cost|1|7}}
+}}
+==Objectives==
-'''Chill of the Throne''' is a zone-wide aura in [[Icecrown Citadel (instance)|Icecrown Citadel]] that allows enemy creatures to ignore 20% of all players' dodge rating in an effort to smooth out incoming damage.
+Kill Interrogator Vishas and Bloodmage Thalnos.
+*{{Mob|James Vishas||Interrogator Vishas}} slain
+*{{Mob|Bloodmage Thalnos}} slain
+==Description==
-{{bluepost
+I joined the [[Scarlet Crusade]] as a young [[paladin]], eager to cleanse the world of evil. Little did I know of the dark truth to these fanatics.
-|poster=Daelo
-|title=Chill of the Throne, Tanking, and You!
-|date=10/29/2009 11:02:42 AM PDT
-|link=http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677352541&sid=1
-|body=For Icecrown Citadel, we are implementing a spell that will affect every enemy creature in the raid. The spell, called Chill of the Throne, will allow creatures to ignore 20% of the [[dodge]] chance of their melee targets. So if a raid's main tank had 30% dodge normally, in Icecrown Citadel they will effectively have 10%.
+Interrogator Vishas and Bloodmage Thalnos oversee this graveyard. They take great pleasure in torturing new recruits endlessly to ensure that they are 'pure'. It is an affront to the Light, <class>!
-Why are we doing this?
+No longer can I be a part of this corrupt organization. You're going to have to kill them both, so that others will never endure the same pain I did.
-The high levels of tank [[Avoidance (attack table)|avoidance]] players have obtained is making the incoming damage a tank DOES take more "spiky" than is healthy for raiding. Ideally, tanks would be receiving a relatively constant stream of damage over time. This allows healers to better plan their healing strategy, broaden their spell options, and simply give more time to react. Tanks could use their cooldowns more reactively. Instead, the current situation is that if we make a hard hitting melee boss and a tank doesn't avoid two successive swings then the tank could very well be dead in that 1-2 second window. The use of reactive defensive abilities instead becomes a methodically planned affair, healers have to spam their largest heals just in case the huge damage spike happens.
+==Rewards==
-We've been trying to do a fair amount to mitigate the effect of high tank avoidance on the encounter side of things during this expansion with faster melee swings, additional melee strikes, dual wielding, narrowing the normal variance of melee swing damage, and various other tricks. There's a limit to what we can do, however. So to give us a bit of breathing room we've implemented Chill of the Throne. Going forward past Icecrown Citadel, we have plans to keep tank avoidance from growing so high again.
+You will receive: {{cost|1|7}}
+==Progress==
-We'll have this on the PTR soon so players can see the effects inside Icecrown Raid.}}
+I cannot help you with your task - if we are to cleanse this place then I must maintain my cover.
+==Completion==
-==Other Blizzard comments==
+What do you mean Thalnos was an [[undead]]? That's impossible. The entire mission of the Scarlet Crusade is to destroy the undead! There's just no way...
-{{bluepost|poster=Ghostcrawler|title=Icewell Radiance is in!|date=10/29/2009 11:19:33 AM PDT|link=http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677632379&pageNo=1&sid=1#9|body=Our original estimations for tank avoidance would have worked fine had we not decided to add extra tiers of gear to reward [[25-player Heroic mode|heroic boss]] kills halfway through the expansion.
+You have muddled my thoughts. Please take this reward for your achievement and leave me to rest.
-The [[World of Warcraft: Cataclysm|Cataclysm]] design will keep tank avoidance at more manageable levels. The loss of defense skill counts for a lot right there. We are also considering giving bosses [[expertise]] or other ways of baking in Icewell Radiance -- basically the concept that bosses scale with gear rather than just hitting harder and taking more hits.
+==Notes==
+This is the post-''Cataclysm'' quest of the graveyard wing of the [[Scarlet Monastery]]. The questgiver stands just inside.
+Vishas is in the first room, the [[Chamber of Atonement]] standing over {{NPC||Vorrel Sengutz}}. Thalnos, a [[skeletal mage]], is at the bottom of [[Honor's Tomb]] on the far side of the [[Forlorn Cloister]].
+==Quest progression==
-{{forumQuote|Also, if you're going to give mobs expertise, can you please make a spell or some kind of method to determine the level of expertise without us having to do parses?}}
+{{Scarlet Monastery storyline}}
+==Patch history==
-Yes. We would probably just let you see the numbers directly. I consider it a design flaw that players have to experiment to determine thinks like hit and expertise caps. We're all for experimentation and theorycrafting, but we don't think it's fair to require some players to go out and do a lot of work to generate specific numbers that all players feel like they need to know.
+{{Patch 4.0.3|note=Added}}
-{{forumQuote|Putting so much avoidance on gear isn't a bad idea because other stats are better. It was a bad idea because it causes tank scaling to fail and makes Radiance necessary.}}
-That logic doesn't really work. It's like saying instead of nerfing [[Armor penetration|armor pen]], we should have just put less and less on higher level gear.
-If we had avoided avoidance on tank gear, then every piece of tank gear would have hit and expertise (and maybe [[critical strike|crit]], [[haste]] and armor pen). [[Stamina]] and [[armor]] are static amounts, and if they were not, then those pieces immediately become the only pieces players would pay attention to.
-{{forumQuote|If you want ICC damage to be steadier, why don't you just walk over to the item team and say "Hey, we'd like less avoidance, can you cut out half of the avoidance from the ICC gear and replace it with stamina?"
-Or if you're worried people will get too much stamina, make it Frost Resistance and put in so much Frost damage you couldn't hope to survive long with TotGC gear alone.}}
-We just don't think that works. If you put very unattractive stats on gear then players just go back the previous tier of gear and complain that we don't know how to itemize. If you put bonus stamina on the tier 10 gear, then that means the next tier of gear better have bonus stamina as well. If it has avoidance instead of that bonus stamina, tanks just shrug and go back to the tier 10 gear.
-This is not a tank only problem. Casters won't upgrade to gear that doesn't have more [[spell power]] on it, because spell power tends to trump everything else for purposes of their dps or healing.
-We put a little bonus armor on non-armor items (necks, rings, trinkets and the occasional cloak). We don't put bonus armor on gloves and chests because that gear would be too good.
-It's an item level problem. If we added another raid tier to Lich King, we couldn't just keep avoiding avoidance and avoid it for every tier going forward. We just need a system where you avoid a Naxx boss 30% of the time and an Icecrown boss 30% of the time, the same way the Icecrown bosses have e.g. 30% larger health bars and thus take 30% more damage to kill. Otherwise the stats don't scale and bad thing happen (in this case the boss having to land so much damage to account for the fact that it misses so often).
-{{forumQuote|That can't possibly be accurate. We would have had more avoidance leaving naxx than we will now with this ability and the increased DR we got last patch. Certainly the extra tiers didn't help, but Icecrown Radiance was going to come with the original calculations. }}
-I don't think so. We didn't decide until last night to do the Icecrown Radiance. Without the extra tiers that the Ulduar and ToC hard modes included, then the max gear level might have been more like ToC normal 25 is today, and we didn't add Jormungar Radiance.
-{{forumQuote|This would actually be BAD. If I am in [[Tier 10|T10]] gear and go back to do a [[Tier 7|T7]] Boss, I expect that boss to barely touch me. I expect to dodge more, parry more, block more, etc, etc. If you did this, it would be called: "The [[Hogger]] Effect". Meaning that what killed you at level 10 would kill you at 20 or 50 or 80.}}
-I'm talking about an Icecrown boss being tougher than an [[Ulduar (instance)|Ulduar]] boss, not that the Ulduar bosses look at how much gear you have and scale themselves up accordingly.
-Bosses get more damage and health. If they also got more expertise, defense and maybe armor then as character item level grew their relative strength to boss stats would not increase. As it is they increase enormously, requiring the bosses to have even more health and even more damage. Shifting some of that health and damage to other stats would fix a lot of problems.
-{{forumQuote|So if you're essentially removing 20% dodge from us all does it alter the Diminishing Returns relationship between parry and dodge at all?
-i.e. Is a dodge rating of 30% going to have the DR applied to it as though it were 30% or 10%? Is it now a case of Parry is king period?
-I'd also like to second the notion that you don't do something stupid like put in a boss such as [[Brutallus]] that can 2-shot a tank at the same time as you [[Sunwell Radiance|nerf our avoidance]].}}
-The 20% nerf is applied after diminishing returns. That is why I am saying it won't affect the relative value of dodge and parry. The Icewell Radiance won't get you closer to diminishing returns by itself.
-The whole point of this change is so bosses can hit less hard but more often, for the same damage over time but with fewer deadly spikes. That should feel better to everyone overall. The reason I am reluctant to say that is because some players are going to go into Icecrown, find it hard, and then expect us to buff their class.
-It won't be Brutallus hard, at least most of the bosses and at least on normal mode. We're not going to be particularly sympathetic to players who find heroic mode too hard.
-}}
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