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The Lich King is not a deity; he is a demi-god. Same with the gronn. Hakkar IS a deity. There is no source calling Xavius a god or demi-god that I know of. Nor Azshara. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Hakkar is a Blood Loa, I'll answer the rest soon--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Lich King, Xavius and azshara are worshipped like demigods, and "word of god" tell us that the only true god that we are aware of is Elune the rest is all demigods, however we can all classify them as deities because "online dictionary"

"Demigod

1. Mythology

a. A male being, often the offspring of a god and a mortal, who has some but not all of the powers of a god.

b. An inferior deity; a minor god.

c. A deified man.

2. A person who is highly honored or revered."

c.Lich king, Xavious, Azshara and the Gronn are deified Characters, since they are worshipped

Xavious and Azshara are claimed to be Demigods in the Demigod Page

Any more problems?--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what the dictionary definition of demigod is. The Warcraft universe has a very specific one, which explicitly states that demigods are not deities, nor are they objects of worship. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

oh ok... but why does it state that these are demigods in the demigod page?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Good question. I'm asking for a source. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Anyway let me search for a solution then--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, I strongly recommend that you get the templates all sorted out first and THEN start applying them to pages. It'll save a lot of people a lot of headache that way. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought i had this one figured out until you argumented, i'm only human.

Anyway i think i found the solution, the encyclopedia states that demigods are not gods, and the only god that blizzard has been stated that is a true god or true deity is elune, since i don't remember blizzard ever using the word deity, he could probably stuff it all under this dictionary, "The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.",

Or we could just call it deities and demigods but i think this is more a thing of what words mean rather than what blizzard says

Anyway tell me your opinion, on a way to put demigods in this template.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Call it deities and demigods. Lumping religions into what's supposed to be a creature template is probably a mistake to begin with. Also, the god article states that Hakkar and the Old Gods are also gods. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not a creature template, it's a religions, beliefs, deity and demigods template, Hakkar is a loa(wherever loas are gods or demigods is another matter) and can be seen in the loa article, and elune is the only true deity according to blizzard whether this is outdated because of the old gods(don't know if the old gods were already in when metzen made the true deity argument)--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

According to http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/encyclopedia/417.xml Hakkar and the Old Gods are gods. As for the template, the important thing is to find a focus. If it's about religions, then all the deities should be removed unless there's concrete proof of a religion based around them. Otherwise, it should just be for the beings themselves and the organizations should be removed. But don't try to combine the two. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

It's about deities and religion, because unless you're a "Philosophical religion" you cannot separate one from the other, if it can be paired into a group or a pantheon of gods they should stay, if not they should be put as individual deities, in this case we know that every major deity in this template is part of a pantheon(yes even elune)that's worshipped and every minor deity is either by himself or their pantheon never stated(the tuskar deities might be loas/ancient guardians but that's only hinted never stated)--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I could change Major Deities to Pantheon and Minor deities to just Deities--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)