User talk:WoWWiki-Mikaka

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NPC Height

Wow, I'm glad someone beside me, had courage to mention that fact :).Baggins 14:57, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks. Scale has always been an issue in WoW. I'm just surprised someone wrote it on the Taelen Fordring article of all the possibilities. --Mikaka 15:03, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Tenx Navigation!

Hey, thanks for continuing the bar boy project. Making regions and subregions sexalacious, one page at a time... --Hobinheim 04:15, 12 December 2006 (EST)

AND NOW MULGORE TOO?!?! CAN HE BE STOPPED????

Actually.... yes he can. SLEEP. --Mikaka 04:28, 12 December 2006 (EST)

You are a sub-naving champ. /cheer ! --Hobinheim 23:04, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Alright, got all of Kalimdor done. Now for the majority of Eastern Kingdoms. /hipthrust --Mikaka 00:20, 16 December 2006 (EST)

You are a super trooper. I can't say enough. --Hobinheim 19:46, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Go Go Anti Vandal Team!

freakin losers... =( --Hobinheim 01:21, 13 December 2006 (EST)

I don't really get what's so fun about deleting a bunch of easily repaired internet words. But then, some people like mustard, and I can't understand that either. --Mikaka 01:25, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Good work

I like your work, although your oddball summary style confuses and amazes me (particularly the singing). --Beep 20:40, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks. Yeah, sometimes I get bored copy/pasting quest descriptions, and when I get bored, I start talking to myself. Sometimes I sing. And then I just write down whatever I happen to be singing. And then I relize what I just typed, and go back and edit it out. But when I type it in the summary, it's TOO DAMN LATE!!! AGH THE EMBARRASSMENT. --Mikaka 20:47, 14 December 2006 (EST)

WoW Template

You are free to start using the {{WoW}} template for quest summeries if you like. As you find them, especially for quest lines that have questionable nature, and no confirmation in other sources.Baggins 11:43, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Summaries

Just a random note, but I love your random summaries, especially the latest one about Santa. :D --Flyspeck 02:09, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Nav box fun!

And we come to the end of a short era, let the era of TBC nav boxes begin? =) -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Yeah, finally got all those outta the way. I was going to wait til the expansion is released and we can make sure we have a complete list of all the subregions before working on those, but I may get bored in the next couple days and do those too. Maybe I'll go back and do some more quest pages. One of my goals is to make at least one region of WoWWiki as complete as possible, with pages for every quest, NPC, mob, etc. etc. --Mikaka 17:29, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Cross Island

Actually there is a refrence or more in the RPG to Dalaran being built or rebuilt on an island. So there is nothing contradicting. But I'll wait to add that back in once, either I finish the cross island article or have the quote from the RPG. Otherwise it Bookkeeper's current stance not to assume something as being retonned out unless something states later on that it never happened, especially for something so minor or obscure. Being built on cross island for example would not undermine lore or the history of Dalaran as we know it, in the slighest.Baggins 05:12, 30 December 2006 (EST)

I assumed his thoughts on it being retconned was more based on the fact that Dalaran is not on an island in WoW. If an RPG book later than WoW stats otherwise, then sure, no retcon. --Zeal (talk - contr - web) 05:38, 30 December 2006 (EST)

My main concern wasn't whether it was a retcon or not (I admit, I use the term a bit too liberally), but the placement of the info in the article. As it stands, Dalaran hasn't been on Cross Island since Warcraft II. It is firmly placed on the mainland now. If the article states it is on an island and doesn't explain how it got up and moved, it's just a poorly written article. --Mikaka 05:40, 30 December 2006 (EST)

I agree if it was on an island at one time it is not on an island now, I believe the implication is that the lake has receded, or land was build up, something along the lines of Mexico City to give a real world example. Perhaps you would like to clarify on that?Baggins 05:46, 30 December 2006 (EST)

We could sit here all day and come up with reasons why it's not on an island any more, but none of them would have any backing in any Warcraft lore. The simple fact of the matter is, in Warcraft II, it WAS on an island, and in Warcraft III, it wasn't. As such, I suggest the page have a note, similar to what I put in earlier, stating simply that. As we have no official explanation for the relocation(to my knowledge), we have no right to state why this is. Whether it was the lake receding, the city being rebuilt after the sacking in Warcraft II (btw, has this been mentioned at all outside of Warcraft II?), mass teleporting, or Murlocs stealing the city brick by brick, we simply don't know. --Mikaka 05:58, 30 December 2006 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the refrence to the city being rebuilt, the fact it had once been on an island, etc has been mentioned. I'm not clear if there is an explanation as to why it is no longer an island.Baggins 06:02, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Also here is a question, are was talking about a literal island? I'd have to open up warcraft 3 and TFT again, but I"m pretty sure Violet Citadel in that was surrounded by aquaducts, if that was what they meant by "island", it works easily. Remember the violet citadel is located on the island, it was never intended to be the whole city on the island. So we may not be able to see the "island" it from side view in the warcraft movies, or what exists under the dome. Also you must remember its ascale issue in wow. Dalaran is a few miles across, not the dinky bit we see in game.Baggins 06:18, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Though not strictly related, here is a brief chronicle of Dalaran's turpid relationship with Cross Island (from my understanding):

• Warcraft II: Dalaran is introduced to the rejoicing of fans everywhere. The entire city is rooted on a large, cross shaped island. Unfortunately, it is razed by orcs during one of the final missions.
• Warcraft II:Beyond the Dark Portal: Again, the friendly green maruaders stop by to visit the reconstucted city, only to find that Cross Island has shrunk considerably, now housing only the violet citadel. Unflustered by this change, they steal the Eye of Dalaran and head back to Draenor to blow shit up.
• Warcraft III: Dalaran again features prodimantly. However, though ample amounts of water are present, not a single cross shaped island is to be found. Archimonde lays down the law and Dalaran is once again destroyed.
• WoW: The wizards place a huge blue bubble over their city because they apparently suck at not being destroyed by invading armies. Again, no cross shaped island is present.

But I digress. What originally brought up the issue was that you stated that Dalaran was on Cross Island. This simply wasn't true. Now you have changed it to state that only the Violet Citadel, the stronghold of the Kiran Tor, is on the island, it is much easier to accept. If you could make this explicit in the article, I would be satisfied. --Mikaka 06:58, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Question

Hey Mikaka, I was wondering how I should set up The Ashenvale hunt quest line. Since 3 of the quest can be taken at the same time is there a specific way I need to organize it? Thanks in advance. --Yelmurc 14:00, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Hmmm... I've never quite seen a questline like this.... this is what I might do. Under quest progression, put:

1(a): [24] Ursangous's Paw

1(b): [27] Shadumbra's Head

1(c): [30] Sharptalon's Claw

2: [30] The Hunt Completed

Note: You must have completed Ursangous's Paw, Shadumbra's Head, and Sharptalon's Claw before you can get The Hunt Completed

That's the best I could come up with, anyways. Feel free to find something else that works. --Mikaka 16:48, 4 January 2007 (EST)

you could try this..

1:

•  [24] Ursangous's Paw
•  [27] Shadumbra's Head
•  [30] Sharptalon's Claw

2:  [30] The Hunt Completed

--Zeal (talk - contr - web) 17:22, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Hey I have another question... how would I add Image's to the website. I was going to add the image of hydrospawn but have no idea how to. --Yelmurc 20:19, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Just below the Google search bar, there's a little box labled toolbox. Click on Upload File from this list. It's pretty self explanatory from there. To put the image on the page, put [[image:name_of_image.jpg|thumb|The text you want to put under the picture]] on the page. If it looks better on the left side of the page, just put a |left| after |thumb|. --Mikaka 14:53, 8 January 2007 (EST)

NPC Boxes

Wow, did you correct all the npc boxes... I'm currently going over them now. You're the best! I've added a width parameter that feeds directly into the Image call, so it's in the form of 193px. Great work. Really, really awesome. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 21:35, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Nah, I started to correct them, but didn't get past more then the first couple, just enough to notice a few problems. Thanks for fixing it, though. I'll get around to fixing the rest a little later, or maybe you could coerce your little robot friend to do it....? --Mikaka 21:45, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Haha, yeah I was about to bust out the bot, but it's so few articles. Hobinbot is busy playing the Burning Crusade. --Hobinheim (talk · contr) 22:13, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Request to make other nice templates

I really liked your {{soul bag}} template. Do you think you could make others for the other types of bags (general, enchanting, herb, engineering, gem and mining)? --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:08 PM PST 22 Jan 2007

I was going too, yes, but I've been playing BC way too much recently, so haven't had much time on WoWWiki :) . I was going to make a general bag template, but it become ridiculously huge, so I just put what I had on the bag page. It's way too big to put on every bag page, I think, but maybe smaller ones for each bag size? I don't know. --Mikaka 19:21, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Talk:Blizzard

Lol. nice catch.--Sky (t · c · w) 17:16, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Delete?

What is with all the speedy deletes?--SWM2448 20:23, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Sorry for spamming the Recent changes, but I mentioned this in the Village Pump. A while ago it was the fad to spread item information across several transcludable pages, as this would theoritcally make it easier to bring information in to other pages. However, a policy was made and this practice was put down. Now, there are a lot of these pages floating around that don't link to anything or do anything, so I'm marking them for speedydelete. If there was a problem with this, I'll stop. --Mikaka 20:27, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

OK, sorry for doubting you. As long as no info is being lost please continue!--SWM2448 20:28, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Teabingh

You have my sincerest apology from the bottom of my heart. It was not my intent to infringe your regulations on editing articles; – I thought the debate was ended, and that I had the liberty to incorporate my own stances and suggestions in the mage article. I have recently been informed that you sanctioned a ban against me because of this, a ruling which I oppose. It is my conviction to favour dialogue over conflict; – you should have notified me and we could have talked this over (I guess you debated what to do with me?). Putting me on your 'most wanted list' was not a very nice thing to do, especially for a minor misunderstanding; I must admit that I was knocked for six when I got your message. I feel that you have poisoned my name by nailing me to your ‘most wanted list’. For this reason, I am making an allowance for leaving Wowwiki. The only thing I shall ask for in return is that I am allowed to delete my messages and have my name cleaned. Yours Sincerely,

Teabingh :(

On the contrary, I did nothing of the sort! I am not an admin at all, and therefore have no say in who gets banned and who doesn't. You can check the vandal page history to see who reported and banned you, but I assure you, it wasn't me! I left that note on your talk page because it seemed no one else was going to tell you why you got the short ban, and because I too felt the ban wasn't necassary. It was also kind of damage control, as I didn't want you to take it personally, but it seems I failed in that regard. Perhaps I was a little vague.

I think this occured because we're used to dealing with people who are either blatent vandals or people who resort to edit wars to get their way, and this generally is a no brainer ban. However, I am surprised by the unusual swiftness and severity of this decision. Usually, if there is a problem with someone's edits, a note is left on their talk page, and if they continue to make the edits, only then is the user given a short ban. As it seemed no official explanation was forthcoming, I offered my own insight.

I think you shouldn't feel guilty for misinterpreting the results of our discussion. I think what most people will agree with is that, while both mages and magi are correct, there is no need to go through the pages changing everything to magi. Don't fix what ain't broken, after all. However, in your own edits, feel absolutely free to use "magi" to your heart's content.

I am very sorry you feel that your name is poisoned. If you feel strongly about this, you could make a new account. I assure you, with the rate at which we get vandals, your name will be in the archives in less then a month, and few enough people will care. It may be possible to remove your name from the list with an admin's permission (removing it without asking won't be appreciated, obviously), though I'm not sure if there is a precedent for this.

Again, I'm sorry for this whole experiance for you. --Mikaka 06:48, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

Modest Mouse

I can't help but notice you used a Modest Mouse lyric in an edit.

I had to hit you up. I'm in love with Modest Mouse. <3 Yaki 21:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been listening to We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank way too much recently. Basically just have it on repeat. Good, good stuff. --Mikaka 21:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I dont like this one bit.

GO to thottbot and look up disgusting oozeling and it will show how it's found. So before you complain to me please check your sources. By the way did you even read the talk pages? It said if you are going to edit something please use the talk pages first. I spent 3 days making so please don't get fussy with me. Aka Paradox 19:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Responded to this on Talk:Rare pet. And who's being fussy? --Mikaka 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Quest List

Yay someone else is making beautimus quest lists! Hats off to the Hillsbrad Foothills/Quest List, thank you! --Jiyambi t || c 20:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah shucks. A guy uses copy pastes someone else's work, and gets praised by the very person he borrowed it from.

I changed a few things around from what you'd been doing, if you didn't notice. Not sure if it's better this way. The first heading is "Quests that take place in Hillsbrad Foothills" and contains all the quests that involve killing, collecting, running about, or otherwise acting like a fool in the zone. The other section, "Other Hillsbrad Foothills Quests", is basically all the quests that start in or lead to Hillsbrad Foothills. The thing was, there are a lot of Horde questst that take place in Alterac Mountains that are under the section Hillsbrad Foothills even though they don't actually do much in that zone. But it's not a perfect system. I'm trying to think of better ways to divide the quests then just "Takes place here" and "Other quests". --Mikaka 02:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, yeah I was facing the same conundrum. BTW imitation is a form of flattery, sorta made me feel like someone actually appreciated my work :) Anyways, the way I did it with Thousand Needles/Quest List is to have one section for quests that begin in Thousand Needles (the player can use this as a resource while running around Thousand Needles to make sure they get all the quests) and a separate section for other Thousand Needles quests (quests that take place in Thousand Needles but don't necessarily start there. *However*, this category also includes quests that are listed as the category Thousand Needles but start and take place in completely different places (EX: the Test of Lore chain) - and that doesn't really make sense. Perhaps there should then be three categories: "Quests that start in <zone>"; "Quests that take place in <zone>" (Should this include the quests that start there and take place there as well?); and "Other <zone> quests". Those are my ideas so far, any thoughts? --Jiyambi t || c 03:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to create too many categories, as that can confuse navigation more then it aides, but 3 is a reasonable number for most zones. How about "Quests that take place in <zone>" (quests that start and take place here are here), "Other quests that start in <zone>" (for quests that start there, but go elsewhere) and "Other <zone> quests" (catch all for other quests). There might be some confusion between the latter two, but I'm hoping for the most part, the "Other <zone> quests" should be a smaller category then the others. --Mikaka 04:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That sounds excellent. I will get busy implementing it as soon as my life is a little less hectic. And I am assuming for zones with very few quests we can just lump them all together (example: Moonglade/Quest List (though now that I think of it, the druid quests should probably be included in that one, maybe in a subsection?).

EDIT: I will include quests that start in other areas but mostly take place in the zone in "Quests that take place in <zone>" section. Just to be clear.

--Jiyambi t || c 17:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I messed around with Thousand Needles/Quest List, I'm not sure it's actually better this way though. Maybe we should dispense with the categories altogether and base it purely on level? Let me know what you think. --Jiyambi t || c 18:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I think we can safely blame Blizzard for this. If they just would put their own quests under the right heading, we wouldn't have this problem. I agree, it becomes less coherent with three categories. I understand that it's useful to have a list of all quests that start in a zone, but I think "Quests that take place in <zone>" and "Other <zone> quests" is the most comprehensible. If we despense with the categories entirely, we could use a * to mark quests that don't take place in the zone but are under the heading anyways, or something, or for quests that start elsewhere. I don't know, there's no real obvious solution. --Mikaka 23:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I completely re-vamped Thousand Needles/Quest List, I think it is my favorite version so far. Please let me know what you think. --Jiyambi t || c 00:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellant. I noticed you're making a set of templates to make implementing the quest table easier. Should I implement that on Hillsbrad Foothills/Quest List, or just copy paste what you've done with Thousand Needles/Quest List? --Mikaka 04:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think those templates make it *harder* to use, so I think I am going to scrap them. Copying and pasting seems to be the simplest way to do it. The old version is actually very easy to modify to the new one, which you will see if you mess with it. Anyways you can change it if you like, if not I probably will eventually. Thanks again for all the advice, its nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of :) --Jiyambi t || c 06:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

So, I created Alterac Mountains/Quest List. I put a lot of those funky Hillsbrad quests that take place in Alterac in the Alterac list. I think they should be in both places, as they are categorized as Hillsbrad quests but occur in Alterac. Just wanted your thoughts on this. --Jiyambi t || c 18:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Autocategorization

I wish I was as smart as you.... --Jiyambi t || c 05:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Heehee, just using a few tricks I've picked hup in my year or so of wiki editing. I originally put those navigation templates into a lot of those subregions, so I've been wondering if I could do something like this for a long time, but only just now got around to testing it out. It doesn't really reduce the workload, since the other categories still have to be removed by hand or by bot, but it'll make changes in the future much easier. --Mikaka 05:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It occurred to me that there is a reason those didn't autocat, but it's not a big issue. Borean Tundra is now catted as Category:Borean Tundra subzones... which, I'm sure you can see isn't quite the truth. No biggie, though. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
And I'm stupid too. ParserFunctions ftw, eh? --Sky (t · c · w) 06:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, where'd that wife quote come from? I recognize it, but what joke or book is it from? --Sky (t · c · w) 05:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

That's from Winston Churchill. He was at a party, quite drunk, when Lady Astor told him, "Sir, you're drunk!", to which he replied, "I am, but in the morning I shall be sober, and you will still be ugly." Then she told him "Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink." "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." Ah, Churchill. --Mikaka 06:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's not the exact quote, but that's the general idea. --Mikaka 06:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll allow you the last edit to clear out {{c|subzones}}, since you inspired me to help. :] --Sky (t · c · w) 05:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, man. But I think you ended up doing more of the work then I did. I just got it moving, is all. Now to kill off the rest of the unnecasary zone categories to further the goal of seamlessly changing all the zone categories names from [[Category:Zone:Zone name]] to just plain old [[Category:Zone name]]. --Mikaka 23:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

:D. Jiyambi is certainly being a help, since she's moving mobs and NPCs into their own subcats of the zone pages. I just killed off Category:Zone:Desolace. :] --Sky (t · c · w) 04:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Come to think of it, could you possiblly help kill off Category:Quests:Alliance, Cat:Quests:Horde, and Cat:Quests:Neutral next? See User_talk:Jiyambi#ew!. I made the switch on those. Any pages with a qbox should have the cats completely removed; those without should have a {{Stub/Quest}} and (odds are) {{User:Laurlybot/Doquests}}. Do not re-add the cats without the infoboxes, por favor. Use caution with the tag; Laurlybot will completely override whatever's on the page, even if most of the info is on there. Come to think of, there should only be three categories on a Quest page (zone, level, faction), and they should be generated by {{questbox}}. If there are 2, add the third, using |category= or |level= as necessary. Again, thank you much. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. I edited out a few in Category:Quests:Alliance, and will keep picking away at it whenever I'm bored. --Mikaka 07:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Cat:Quests:<Alliance, Horde, Neutral> are done! See WW:BR for how I did it. =) --Sky (t | c | w) 07:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Zone category project

Heya, I made a draft project page for the zone category project: WoWWiki:Zone category project. You should add yourself to the project roster (just put Category:Zone category project members on your user page). And edit away at the project page if you see anything that should be changed - I know we may be getting a bot to do some of the work, so if anything becomes definite in that area we may need to change it. --Jiyambi t || c 00:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Zeecy-pee.... you are a silly, silly person :P --Jiyambi t || c 16:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Quest chain link

I created a little quest chain link template for the quest list pages. I am not entirely satisfied with it yet so I thought I would get your opinion. The template is {{Chain}} and you can see it in action at Teldrassil quests. Any suggestions/comments? --Jiyambi t || c 03:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. I might suggest a name change ("Chain" implies a more general use, as in a template used to create a list of quest in a particular quest chain, which really should be made if it doesn't already exist). Maybe "Quest Table Chain" or just "QT Chain". Also, if it's possible, it's be good if the image itself linked to the list further down the page. However, I'm not sure how to do this apparently simple task, and none of the help pages are telling me. I'm sure I've seen it done before, but can't recall where or how. --Mikaka 10:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I just noticed a week ago that you nominated me for crazy a few months ago. Gotta say thanks! Nice to be noticed!

Ha, I really wanted the image to link to the chain. I tried every way anyone on IRC could think of but as far as I can tell it's impossible to do that inside a template in any useful way - we would have to have a seperate template for every chain, and that would just be silly. I will consider changing the name - can you describe in greater detail what you mean by a template to create a list of quests in a chain? That sounds useful... --Jiyambi t || c 23:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)