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Comments to Fandyllic Edit

Bag pages Edit

Looks like bags are currently not showing correctly in the infoboxes: Merchant's Satchel. Could you poke it with a stick? Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:22, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. I created the bug previously by over-zealous commenting. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Jul 2013 3:34 PM Pacific
Grin Gracias! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 00:05, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't upload Edit

I DIDN'T upload this icon: IconSmall Mekkatorque Assey Westfall (talk) 20:42, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I was just using that as an example. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Jul 2013 1:46 PM Pacific

Citations Edit

Hey Fandyllic, I'm just wondering how you do citations on subjects where this isn't really a clear source. For example, how I wrote one of the most called for expansions is the return of the Burning Legion. I've seen this in many places, especially WoW Forums. So how do I cite this? Thanks. Tankingmage (talk) 10:21, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

You can cite forums. Just give a link to a long thread with several mentions. Sources don't always have to be super clear, but claims with no sources are generally bad. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 31 Jul 2013 5:38 AM Pacific

Cataclysm update Edit

Hey Fandyllic, should we remove the Cataclysm/update notice for some articles, for example, the Blasted Lands is pretty complete Cataclysm wise. Tankingmage (talk) 01:48, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Use your judgement. If you think there is some updates needed, just replace it with one of the stub templates. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Aug 2013 7:50 PM Pacific

Guild page notice Edit

Thank you so much for the note. No idea why anyone would mark it for deletion. Weird. —This unsigned comment is by Bardgal (talkcontribs) 11:59, August 7, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Hey - thanks for the heads up, and for the detail of (I need to update once a year.)

I'll do my best to remember that. I am grateful for the nudge, and if I get überblonde again, I'd love another a year from now if I'm still an idiot. :) THANK YOU!!!! - Bardgal (Sereníty.) 11:02, August 11, 2013

Bad Ref Edit

Ok thanks Fandyllic Tankingmage (talk) 15:06, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm I think I did remove that, and I must have control z'd it, or done something like that anyway Tankingmage (talk) 15:10, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Editing rights Edit

Tankingmage brought it up that anons aren't able to edit here. I double checked, and it seems it has been this way for a very long time; it seems counter-intuitive, though, if we're trying to attract new editors. I'd like to lift that if it's all right with you, as we should be able to handle any unwelcome activity between the four of us - plus, I can let VSTF know to keep an eye on things for a bit. Worst case scenario we can always just flip the switch back. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:17, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm okay with it if you and Tankingmage are willing to take the extra burden of handling anons. On the other wikis I've admin'd I can't say allowing anons is a great way to attract new editors. Most anons are users who are not motivated enough to register, so tend not to be good editors. I don't have great confidence in VSTF, but maybe we won't run into the problems they aren't good at helping with.
We should do a trial for like 3 months maybe and if we don't get alot of extra good editors, we can poll the community about turning it off. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Aug 2013 10:06 AM Pacific
That sounds good to me. A short trial run should be sufficient to determine if it does more harm than good. I'll tweak it later today and let TM know. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Darwin Edit

Hi Fandyllic, it's been a while :)

I just wanted to check that you have seen the post on Central about Darwin and the introduction of w:c:community:Thread:562302 fluid layout. I wanted to check with you in particular, because it will affect WoWWiki slightly differently from other wikis. In your case, those on lower resolutions may see the content area reduce to a minimum of 700px (from the current static 880px). However those affected should be those who currently see a scrollbar on the current layout - they will be losing width in return for the gain of no side-scrolling issues. Those with higher resolutions will have a wider content area, up to 1270px. People on tablets will have a slightly different layout to maximize the article width.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks -- sannse @Wikia (help forum | blog) 17:48, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I will read about it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Aug 2013 3:46 PM Pacific

Map template Edit

Hello there.

Just wanted to ask if I may copy and use Template:Map on another wiki?

IWantCoffee (talk) 15:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Getting the Map template to work actually requires a series of templates and is pretty complicated. Ask Pecoes for help, as he is the expert. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Sep 2013 7:36 AM Pacific

Anonymous Users Edit

So far the change seems positive, sure there are quite a few trolls, but from my point of view it's better to rollback 5 vandalisms than create a whole new article, like some anons do. The spelling and grammar fix is nice too. I know you said anons are often people who aren't motivated enough to make an account, but I think once people see how simple it is to edit it will encourage them to make a wikia account. The new Visual editor should help too. These are just some thoughts Tankingmage (talk) 00:03, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

The impact of anons hasn't been too bad so far, but the positive contributions haven't been significantly positive either. The jury is still out, but it may tilt more toward the positive over time. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Sep 2013 7:26 PM Pacific

Advice Edit

Whenever you've got a moment or two, I'd love to grab your ear on Skype for some advice Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:35, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

XML properties vs XML attributes, and other stuff Edit

So what I did to resolve this was an obvious punt for now, with two 'list pages' (XML attributes and XML properties), but is consistant and fucntional. I re-made XML properties (page and category) to list the complex element properties, and changed 'XML attributes' (page and category) to list the simple single value types, which are always written here in WoW as attribuites, rather than elements. Fun to talk about I know. The pages for now should have clear markings now to disambiguate, and none of the attributes have their own pages, but if did would typicaly link to the base element or type that defines them, for a in-depth definition or context, anyway. Celess (talk) 22:04, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with Gregity acct Edit

Hi Fandyllic,  I (Gregity) logged in yesterday and made a change to an old page - some minor updates.  When I tried to login today, it said my password is invalid and when I had it send me one I never got it.  I checked the spam - still no luck.  I made some more changes to the page today but because I couldn't sign in they were anony.  The page is AddOn_programming_tutorial/Introduction.  Can you give me a hand? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 14:13, September 21, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Your best bet is to use Special:Contact/account-issue to get Wikia to reset your account password. I don't have access to any of the account stuff. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Sep 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
Also try to use the little login at the upper right, the popup shadow box one. Seems to work when the big full page one doesnt. Also if you look there are ton of anonymous edits now, like this started happening last week, and you arn't the only one. :) I think something is seriously wrong. When it burped, I couldnt login then tried the small login box. Celess (talk) 07:48, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Quote of the week Edit

  • Is that soon, soon, or "soon"? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:48 PM PST 17 Dec 2010

Templates and Extensions Edit

Possible to get the newish MediaWiki extension Scribunto? I think this would help greatly in many many ways. Celess (talk) 20:03, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Account recovery Edit

Dude, it's me, Kirochi, I can't seem to recover my account. How do I do this? The normal procedure doesn't seem to work (Also, how may I demonstrate that I'm me?)

Never mind, I'm back! By the way, how's the relationship with WoWpedia? I can't seem to get an accurate idea of it.K ) (talk) 01:30, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
We don't really have a relationship with Wowpedia. I haven't logged in for ages. I do know they aren't identifying content stolen from WoWWiki. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Sep 2013 6:32 PM Pacific

Main Page Revamp Edit

Heya Winky I was wondering what you thought of this main page - the slider and/or the layout. I've been looking at our site for some time and thought we might benefit from an overhaul of the main page. I think the above wiki comes closest to what we might need.

I would be working on it, and it would take a couple of days at least to implement and troubleshoot. I think you're familiar with JoePlay; he'd be assisting, since he knows the creator and has done it before. Maintenance of the slider portion would then fall to me with subsequent expansions - unless you want to poke around to get a feel for it, of course.

Let me know what you think - I'm leaving a message on Macrophager's and Servian's pages, as well as Tankingmage (since he's up-and-coming). Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:37, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just a thought. The font to background contrast on that site is very low in a bad way, if you were implementing the colors and transparency with a background like that, and the black borders amplify the readability issues. Here it's consistant across the span of the page with a light border to match the text.  While we are at it, there is some JS here that absolutely kills long pages that could be addressed. Speed needs to go up to make google happy, and the users. Celess (talk) 19:46, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to see a WoW Icon 16x16 version first. Dragon Age only has two games and they are largely separate, not expansions. I like some of the elements of the Dragon Age main page, but it may not work with WoW. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Oct 2013 1:26 PM Pacific
Don't worry about the color/font schemes, as those would be tweaked to reflect what currently exists here. The slider they've got is my main focus, but if there's other elements that might work well, those are actually very easy to incorporate. Due to how long it takes to set up, implement, and then troubleshoot, I could do a non-functional mock up to give an idea of how things would flow. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:51, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't comment on the slider because I didn't even notice it! Now that I've used it, it is kind of cool, but we would have to to do a much better job of making the controls discoverable. A non-functional mockup would be great. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 10:27 AM Pacific
Winky I'm hoping to get a rough drawn up this week, work load permitting. One thing I know we'll definitely add to our potential version is a "home" button that would take users back to the beginning of the slides. Another thing I have to consider is that the original dev is thinking of rewriting the code, but we could implement those changes down the line. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:46, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
Got a rough going today, which you can find here. Be sure to read through the notes first Winky I set aside a section for discussing everything. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:45, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
Very ambitious. I will comment in the discussion section. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Oct 2013 6:10 AM Pacific

WoWWiki Revamp Edit

Slightly related but I think needed for a while, one step closer to faster portals: vs Is on main portal now, updating the others. There are a few comments in the inner template. Celess (talk) 03:12, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Good to see that someone who actually knows what they're doing is fixing some of the inefficient code I hacked together. I did a little work to make Portal:Main-lite look like current Portal:Main. Is there anything left to do before a switch? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 10:27 AM Pacific
Oops, had marked for delete... Your changes are now on Portal:Main/Dev, and are now integrated with the newer infrastructure. Yes the main page baked now. You can copy your changes over. Celess (talk) 20:14, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
A major reshuffle involving almost all the portal tempaltes has been done. You can see the current state here Portal_talk:World_of_Warcraft. If wasn't clear, the 'lite' news is gone, 'Main/News' is 'Community/News', and 'Main/User News' is 'Main/News', which is what they sort of were anyway, and with a lengthy cleanup of templates that can now go away. Celess (talk) 20:21, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know, I swapped two sections of the CSS, near the end. It should be fine. But just wanted to give heads up. Anything looks odd let me know. Most of this ongoing effort is for performance, and to assist maintainability while I'm going though all this already. :) Celess (talk) 18:41, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
There was a css comment issue been fixed that will clear up in next 10 mins. Can ignore. Celess (talk) 18:51, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
FYI for everyone... Should be somewhat of a boost in performance, mostly client side, as digging through CSS and JS now. Please be aware and look a little more critically than normal for anything amiss. I don't think there should be, but please let me know. :) Made it though the first pass more to follow. Celess (talk) 08:08, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing the Community-corner Edit

Respectfully request rights to edit 'MediaWiki:Community-corner' so that can fix the bad table closure issues so that the community portal renders correctly :) Think its been link this for a long time. Celess (talk) 05:16, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Done, and thanks very much for tweaking all this. It is an immense help. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:15, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


Thank Fandyllic!--Spenpiano (talk) 17:08, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

The Black Temple Transcript Edit

Hi Fandyllic, I added the transcript for a few patches, and when I tried to do the Black Temple the video disappeared, I tried to change the video file itself, but that didn't work, it would be good if you could look at it and tell me what was wrong, thanks. Tankingmage (talk) 23:50, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

If you meant the video here: Patch_2.1.0#Patch_trailer
I fixed it. The wikicode had extraneous stuff in it that was preventing it from appearing. The whole Wikia support for videos via the File: mechanism is a little sketchy, but maybe it's not their fault. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Oct 2013 5:41 PM Pacific
Fandyllic, I did WoW Icon 16x16 Patch 1.11.0 (20-Jun-2006):
and the same thing happened, I tried removing the 'thumb/left' bit but it didn't work, could you tell me how to fix it please? Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 16:40, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
The patch trailer shows up for me. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
hmmm, perhaps it was just a preview bug. Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 17:09, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Videos Edit

Ok, thanks Fandyllic. Thanks for fixing the Black Temple patch. Tankingmage (talk) 10:58, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Ok will do, it seems much neater and tidier looking. Thanks Tankingmage (talk) 16:07, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving Edit

Happy thanksgiving Fandyllic! PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 16:24, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Why thanks. What do Canadians do for thanksgiving? I'm guessing play hockey. Winky --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Oct 2013 6:27 PM Pacific
Nah mostly stuff our face with turkey and pumpkin pie. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 02:37, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Quote of the week Edit

-- ImportArticles sounds pretty generic for something that really only supports CSS and JS. Why use that name? Wouldn't something like ImportCSSorJS have been better? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Aug 2012 6:53 AM Pacific (talk · contr) 24 Aug 2012 6:53 AM Pacific
right on... :) After a lot of looking, Wikia implementation is doing everything on the client, as opposed to just emitting in the head the first time. Wikipedia looks like it uses the same load.php mechanism, but gets a significant number of imports in head on the original doc. Can observe by turning off JS, like in safari dev menu, and hit Rush (Band), in honor of Canadian Thanksgiving, and look at the head. If you look at ours, all of JS is added to the doc by client side inline JS code, in the body at the bottom, which gives horrible locked page effects on load. Celess (talk) 07:42, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Something happened on Wikia side Edit

I think its them not us. Both 'chat' and 'wikia' sprite images not loading anymore. The oasis links look like: .skin-oasis .sprite { background-color: transparent; background-image: url(; background-repeat: no-repeat; } But they are 404. If you remove the modifier __cb62369/ they load. There was some kind of disturbance in the force over an hour ago. Dun think i can fix this. The google cache version shows same code we have here [1]. None of our CSS touches the buttons. Celess (talk) 23:25, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

now is a 403. Celess (talk) 23:35, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
See your talk page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Oct 2013 4:54 PM Pacific

Picture Edit

How do i upload a picture? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 18:14, October 21, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Click or go to Special:Upload or look for the + Add a Photo button on the right sidebar. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Oct 2013 10:15 AM Pacific
How do you do in on wowpedia?aswell,I go on both? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 12:19, October 22, 2013‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
The only way I know on Wowpedia is Special:Upload, but it requires you to be logged in as a registered user. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Oct 2013 4:12 PM Pacific

Change Status Edit

FYI: There may be a bump for a min with the maps, though probably not. :) Celess (talk) 05:00, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

There was, I missed a word. Have to wait for next JS/CSS cycle. Should be good now. Celess (talk) 05:04, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

FYI: About to degradation test Tabber tabs, like what they look like when plugin fails or page not loaded yet. Will be about 20 min or so. Just won't be tabs, content will be there. Celess (talk) 22:30, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so tabber now works correctly, like intended. :) If the JS doesn't load, it looks like regular wiki with tab background. Also the tab extents now properly include all tab content and the extra { {clr} } is no longer necessary, and a bunch of other stuff....  Authors can just make tabs and and will just 'do the right thing'. ;) Also, the TOC (due to the old pop-out) will no longer split headings or do other funky things as far as breaking the rest of the layout. I think this was an issue forever, and if a page that before could not tolerate the wrath of the TOC, maybe now could. The WM 'over three headings' default thing may be now OK again. Any questions concerns or otherwise, please let me know. Going to finish integrating the Tabber CSS now, the then back to the rest of wherever else I left off. Celess (talk) 17:08, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Also, its important to note that the actual Tabber styling, is as I found it. However you are now afforded more opportunities to bend the CSS as you see fit, and directly here in our own CSS files. In an hour or so will be done integrating. Celess (talk) 17:13, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Disabling TOC pop-out for a while for testing. :) Celess (talk) 23:58, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Done using Death Knight as guinea pig :). Rounded corners were reconciled site wide as target of opportunity and because it was old and crusty, which mostly means that IE gets rounded corners and support was shifted to support modern browsers and sets of older phones target, i.e. Webkit: Safari 3-4, iOS 1-3.2, Android ≤1.6 and CSS3: Opera 10.5+, IE9+, Safari 5+, Chrome, FF4+, iOS 4+, Android 2.1+. :) Also sub-portal menu was rearranged to make Mists first to match the main portal and has consistant lightly roundy corners on tabs, though still needs love. Other stuff. Celess (talk) 05:11, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

--> After this last pass, should there should be another good sized bump in speed across all browsers. Check Portal:Main, which is a good litmus test. Client speed is good enough now that you should be able to easily tell which phase the load process is in 1) blank waiting as page un-cached on server and building, 2) client is loading body, 3) free to scroll / 'roam about the cabin'. Generally 1) cant be helped, except maybe 20% due to template and MW costs, and only by loweirng page size and template complexity. Is also a one time thing, for usually one single person, until next cache clear which may be months apart. The 2) is the most important, and is where someone can finally scroll down, as what's on top is almost never what they are after, this part should be much better. 3) the smoothness of the 'post-load' load should be far more reasonable. I'm not done, but the irritation level should be much lower and far more consummate with the 700K level and beyond. Celess (talk) 21:10, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anon welcome message Edit

Just in case, is revisit MediaWiki:Welcome-message-anon time? Celess (talk) 06:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

If you want to fancy it up, please do. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Nov 2013 10:25 PM Pacific

World of Warcraft's subscribers Edit

Do we have a page anywhere about World of Warcraft's subscription numbers? The latest report suggests that the subscription numbers may be stabilising now. Tankingmage (talk) 23:02, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

We don't have a specific page for subscriber numbers. I just add links to stories to the World of Warcraft External links section under News. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Nov 2013 4:09 PM Pacific

Sister Sites Edit

Did intend to remove original one? :) Celess (talk) 18:49, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

nvm :) Celess (talk) 18:58, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Karabor Edit

I called it Karabor city because Karabor redirected to the Black Temple, and I didn't know how to overcome that Tankingmage (talk) 03:35, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 7:47 PM Pacific

Bladespire Fortress Edit

That is Bladefire Citadels correct name! (Btw this is Kal,just really lazy to log in ,_,) Ref:

Umm, no. Bladespire Fortress is the correct name. Did you even look at Warlords of Draenor: Adventuring from 90 to 100? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 8:27 PM Pacific
Eh,Can you make sure to fix all the names?(The ones that have not been fixed of course!) --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 11 Nov 2013 5:02 AM UTC 05:02, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
I think I fixed most of them. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Nov 2013 9:05 PM Pacific

Spearate orcs page Edit

Could we have a seprate Page for the Orcs(Brown) from Warlords-Logo-Small?Thanks Kal --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 11 Nov 2013 4:38 PM UTC 16:38, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'll have to think about that. Technically the brown orcs are called Mag'har and Blizzard has given no info that they'll call the new Draenor versions anything different. Let's wait for more info before we make a separate page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Nov 2013 8:44 AM Pacific
Okay, it looks like the current Mag'har page is for the faction so I will move it to Mag'har (faction). --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Nov 2013 8:45 AM Pacific

Q & A Edit

Hey Fandyllic, you may have noticed, but I went through the Q & A from Blizzcon and have most of them on my profile page. Raylan and I are working on a plan for the Q and A. Also I wanted to nomimate User:RaceLord for becoming a patroller. I saw on his talk page that you guys were considering making him a moderator/admin, I'd just like to rejuvenate that topic. Tankingmage (talk) 04:51, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Is the Q&A on your page from the WoW Q + A About Almost Everything?, if so that's awesome. You could put it at BlizzCon 2013/WoW Q & A About Almost Everything and work on it there. It needs mostly only a little formatting and a legend for the various Blizz people name abbreviations (TC = Tom Chilton, etc.).
I was going to transcribe our John Lagrave interview, but I was too tired, so I'll do it this morning some time. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Nov 2013 7:24 AM Pacific
It is done! Also, I think the closest thing we have to the WoW head development team is. It would be nice to have a 'normal page' for them I think. I'll add in some of the developers to the new page or the category page, depending on what we decide. It's pretty out of date. I also want to know, where do we have a page for running blizzard jokes. For example 'on the yacht!' Tankingmage (talk) 16:24, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Iron Horde Edit

So can you guys have a special Iron Horde icon like Neutral 15,since zones like Gorgrond and Nagrand Are whole zones dedicated to them and the Iron Horde.Thanks If you can do that. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 12 Nov 2013 4:10 PM UTC 16:10, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've already been thinking about that and doing some research, but I haven't found a symbol yet from Blizzard for the Iron Horde. When I find it, I will definitely make an icon for them. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Nov 2013 8:48 AM Pacific
I'm pretty sure Wowpedia has one,on their Iron Horde page. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 15 Nov 2013 4:47 PM UTC 16:47, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw theirs. I'm trying to find a better quality version, of that one is legit. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Nov 2013 2:32 PM Pacific

BlizzCon Q & A Edit

All set, BlizzCon 2013/WoW Q & A About Almost Everything and {{Texts}}. Can use now. I'll fix the 'says' 'yells' business and whatnot in the templates later. Gone for few hours. Celess (talk) 01:20, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Tabber Edit

My talk Winky Celess (talk) 00:13, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

And after looking at the Garrison page, ill add a 'tight' option for media or other uses that need 'fitted' content in tight space.

Wanted to point out my admin nomination for Tankingmage. I know we've bantered it about for a bit, but especially in light of BlizzCon and his contributions there that helped things go smoother than expected, thought I'd put it up Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:46, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

WOW Edit

{{Warlords}} ,Mind helping me? Example:Pages need Warlords/Update and Characters need Faction alignment changes.Thanks,and about WoW Fri/Sat/Sun are my most active.--IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 4 Dec 2013 1:03 AM UTC 01:03, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking for help with... --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Dec 2013 6:25 PM Pacific

Mostly everything that needs editing,also what came in thecpress kit lol? --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Tyrande TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 4 Dec 2013 8:22 PM UTC 20:22, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'll point you to some specific stuff to work on... The bios from the press kit are all already in WoWWiki, but I'll make sure everything WoW related is uploaded. The press kit was kind of disappointing. I could mail you the USB drive, if you want. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Dec 2013 2:36 PM Pacific

Anon vandals discussion Edit

It's been a while since I touched bases on this, so wanted to see if anyone has any opinions either way on the proposed tweaks to the vandalism policy. It's a two-fold proposal Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:37, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Based on the discussion, I went ahead and put up the anon penalty changes for a vote, so be sure to pop in there! Be aware that I'm moving the discussion of an additional template to another proposal, so that isn't included. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 22:23, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ryse Wiki logo requestEdit

I know you have a history with making logos for wikis. At a wiki I'm working on, the wiki-wordmark is simply the logo for the game. Could you make a logo for the wiki, which says "Ryse Wiki", if you don't mind (as well as helping with any additional problems you see on the wiki, as you seem like a very competent editor)? Heedful (talk) 23:44, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

New Wiki SlideShow feature Edit

Hey so I asked Celess how difficult it would be to make the Main page promo a slideshow, as he did it. I just wanted to know what you and Raylan thought of it, cause we can change it back if you don't like it. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 01:22, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's not so much a new format with the promo. You now have the option of adding generic rotating 'wiki' banners or slide shows where ever, including any of the the promo, with modern trimmings. I tested additionally with existing Portal:Main promo and let it rotate with the WoD promo and the WoW portal promo. While testing I think Macophager decided he wanted to take it for a spin. He swapped videos for a few regualar WoW promotions. They all seem to work.
For the tool itself, I left it pretty basic because I know there were probably some specific features you and Raylan13 were going for in the earlier effort several months ago, so they could be added. Can find more detail here User talk:Celess22##Slide_Show. And seperately, the map Coords are fixed now for the map hover popup. :) Celess (talk) 02:50, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

OK 'slide' effect was added, as previously only had 'fade', and goes only to the left atm. Can see on MediaWiki:SlideShow/Test with the logos. Just to reiterate, this is a general facility and wiki template. Can have any number of 'SlideShows' on a page, and up to 5 slides at the moment, limited by the template which you guys can change as you wish. I also added back the '75% off wow' promo slide on Main/Promos that go lost while Mac and I were playing with it. I still need to put docs on the template and feel free to ask for features, now is good. Its wide open to do whatever. Celess (talk) 20:49, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Expert Nomination Edit

Hey Fandyllic, it's been a while. How was Blizzcon? Just realized that TheKaldorei signed up to be an expert in RTS for Warcraft 3 I believe WoWWiki Talk:Experts needed/RTS. It's been a while since he applied and I figured i'd give you guys a nudge. PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 23:46, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'll talk to Raylan about it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Dec 2013 6:08 PM Pacific

Master Tiner TriniEdit

Can you fix the Master Tinker Trini page?Thanks. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 18 Dec 2013 5:32 PM UTC 17:32, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Done. It was mostly an item she sells that was the problem. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Dec 2013 9:38 AM Pacific

Vote Edit

Dun forget the vote part at bottom, if you missed it. Winky To me, is just that Macro and some others wanted something as guideline for length, is what the vote is for. I think is what that boils down to. Currently as written infinite on an IP is no good. :) Celess (talk) 23:36, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing Verbatim Edit

FYI. See User talk:Celess22#JS and CSS consolidation Winky. Plus, those verbatim mw codes been talkin bout your mom, so have to put them down now. Celess (talk) 19:43, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Things may be bumpy for a bit :) Celess (talk) 23:46, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Might notice a speed bump and possibly few things start working that haven't for ages. If you notice something amiss, please let em know. Winky Celess (talk) 00:18, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 21 Dec 2013 4:41 PM Pacific

Is done.... that'll teach em. Celess (talk) 02:10, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rename link for WhatLinksHere Edit

Important: User_talk:Celess22#Rename_link_for_WhatLinksHere Celess (talk) 02:10, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Page Edit

just fyi How to roleplay an evil character‎ Celess (talk) 18:32, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Edit

...and Happy Hollidays Winky. Celess (talk) 22:46, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Bot Edit

Needs cleanup the old collapse cruft across many pages. Small targeted changes. Dun want to spam recent changes or affect stats. Has User:Celess22Bot and tested (which can see from spam, lol) Needs bot marker, if ok. ty Winky Celess (talk) 22:02, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

I tried, didn't want to bug you. Well I would have said something so you know. :) I could only give it 'patroller'. The admin, that would help for not having to do the protected pages by hand, sine you mentioned it. Definitly not put on admin list which I sure you wouldn't. :) Celess22 (talk) 03:46, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
MediaWiki or Wikia must have changed how Special:UserRights works. Oh well. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Dec 2013 8:08 PM Pacific
Yeah. its stated on community somewhere. One place says contact wikia staff, other place says bureaucrat. Must have been issues like with css common. Celess22 (talk) 04:35, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
So yes admin, sorry so much text. :) Celess (talk) 04:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sylvanas a Death Knight? Edit

I address you by this present to ask them the following, Sylvanas Windrunner is possibly a Death Knight as she is capable of using two characteristics of these same skills, skills like "Army of the Dead" and "Death Grip" that by the way used in the raid End Time in addition, their skills are a derivative of the skills of a Death Knight profane but adding the use of a bow, I propose to put Sylvanas Windrunner as a possible Death Knight and other users to deemed, shall we? Clow864 (talk) 01:05, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

In short, no. Just because Sylvanas appears to share some death knight abilities does not make her a death knight. We know she is supposed to be a dark ranger, but we don't know what that means as far as abilities. Dark rangers could easily share abilities with a death knight, so that doesn't make them death knights also.
All that said, thanks for asking. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Jan 2014 7:38 AM Pacific
as well is said that a Ranger has magic skills and warrior, that does not make a warrior or mage and yet there is listed as one then you if a Ranger is a Magician and Warrior a 'Dark Ranger "is a" Necromancer "and" Warrior "with a bow, it as well makes it one Death Knight as well is said that a Ranger has magic skills and warrior, that does not make a warrior or mage and yet there is listed as one then you if a Ranger is a Magician and Warrior a 'Dark Ranger "is a" Necromancer "and" Warrior "with a bow, it as well makes it one Death Knight Clow864 (talk) 23:36, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
The other classes listed there are no more correct than death knight, unless they have a lore or in-game source. Also, the combinations of classes you state don't make one the other. A ranger IS NOT a magician and a warrior. So your whole argument starts on shaky ground. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 17 Jan 2014 8:54 AM Pacific
First read the part where it talks about the Elven Rangers in the following link: Ranger#Elven_ranger clearly says that elite warriors are capable of doing amazing things with their bows then read this link : Elven ranger third paragraph clearly speaks from magic used by the Elven ranger, also read: Dark ranger point that named "Background" speaks clearly Sylvanas change traditional magic of elven rangers by necromancy (that's becomes a necromancer which does not appear in the tags) and finally: Death_knight notes on notes clearly states that the death knight must be warriors or paladins and gives the coincidence that in the tags Sylvanas figure as a warrior, then Sylvanas Windrunner qualify to be tagged as a Death Knight in the same way that qualifies to be tagged as a Warrior Clow864 (talk) 02:27, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
Sources can't be vague like the ones you're mentioning. That makes it too easily changed by interpretation. However, you're thinking in the right direction, but those sources just aren't specific or good enough. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Jan 2014 11:30 AM Pacific
I present arguments that are in its own page, and you want to see what is ahead of your eyes is up to you, and that way qualify as necromarcer Sylvanas, do not you think? Clow864 (talk) 00:32, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
You can put it on the Sylvanas Windrunner's talk page. No need for a separate page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Jan 2014 9:40 PM Pacific
Alredy put it on the discussion page and another administrator (Raylan13) told me to convince you and 2 other (Tankingmage) (Celess22) also, the discussion page is inactive, it could last up to 2 years without reaching there consensus, in fact, I put this in October 2013 and no one gave me a good answer neither presented good argument against. In view of all this, you think Sylvanas Windrunner should be tagged as a Death Knight? (at least as likely to side) and as a Necromancer (Necromancy what it says in the article Dark Ranger) Clow864 (talk) 15:19, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

User question Edit

FYI stumbled upon Template_talk:Orc_clans#Organization. Celess (talk) 02:04, January 22, 2014 (UTC)


Could you make the infoboxes for this wiki? Thanks -- 23:55, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

No, because I have no idea which ones to make and you should be able to copy them yourself. Also please don't post as anonymous, if you want to ask me to do something. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Jan 2014 5:04 PM Pacific

Oh god,did I really post as a anon? ,-, Anyways,I'm all confused on this template stuff.... --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 30 Jan 2014 1:08 AM UTC 01:08, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You should at least make a list of the infoboxes you want. There is no way I'm going to help copy all the ones from WoWWiki. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Jan 2014 5:19 PM Pacific

Okay I'm pretty sure I need...

  • Race Infobox
  • Zone Infobox
  • City Infobox
  • Npc box
  • char box(Is that a thing?)

Mainly the basic ones. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 30 Jan 2014 3:49 PM UTC 15:49, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Okay here's what I copied:
You'll have copy over the /doc pages and upload faction images and such to make them look nice. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Jan 2014 4:29 PM Pacific

Cenarion Circle Edit

Cenarion Circle. Maybe check me on this. Edit before was a bit messed. Is part at the top before first section. Celess (talk) 00:59, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Looks okay. I will do a minor edits, but they're aren't crucial. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Feb 2014 9:55 AM Pacific

Promo Edit

lol, on the edit note on the background color :) sorry. later, just so you know, you can place the text verbatim inline in its own slide right on the page. so whenever later you can put it in rotation liek the others without having to create a separate page. later ill look at the css and special business to make nicer, especially testing on FF if I know thats what you use ;) Celess (talk) 06:15, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't want it to be part of the slideshow, so that's why I did it that way. I created the separate page to mock it up, not as the source. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Feb 2014 10:18 PM Pacific

I know was for separate and not for rotation, special thing. :) just helpful note if needed for later. :) Celess (talk) 06:21, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Garrosh edits Edit

mind fact checking my Garrosh Hellscream edits? —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 09:40, February 12, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Experts Edit

Maybe see WoWWiki_talk:Experts_needed/Roleplaying-Warcraft. Celess (talk) 17:57, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Saw it and commented. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Mar 2014 4:41 PM Pacific

User Tags Edit

Currently can use the new MediaWiki:UserTags‎‎/code.js, just the same as the old js file for now, for editing roles or names.  :) MediaWiki:UserTags‎‎ is the main page for the module, as noted on WoWWiki:Development. I'll post something later on if changes. Celess (talk) 01:19, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone is about to temporarily look inactive :) Celess (talk) 02:25, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Dread Raven Edit

Could you add the Dread Raven Mount. Icon?Same with the pet icon Thanks. --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 28 Mar 2014 7:34 PM UTC 19:34, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 28 Mar 2014 3:41 PM Pacific


Should you ask if he'd like to be a patroller? --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 2 Apr 2014 3:15 PM UTC 15:15, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Eventually. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 Apr 2014 1:57 PM Pacific

CSS Edit

Sorry, Wikia was having issues and when I saved the CSS it lagged and must have borked and cropped code. I just now noticed. Should go back to normal in a few minutes. Celess (talk) 01:24, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

No big deal. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Apr 2014 10:03 AM Pacific

Ga'nar Edit

Not sure if you wanted to check the Ga'nar and Drek'thar (WoD) Pages. —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 12:32, April 3, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Stuff not released yet should use the {{NYR}} tag. Otherwise, they're a good start. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Apr 2014 3:18 PM Pacific

Npcbox issue Edit

Would you be able to help with an npc box issue? I can't seem to get the image to resize as it does with the mobs Ive been adding - Senior Historian Evelyna is looking rather tall! Jonrae (talk) 19:20, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5 Apr 2014 4:43 PM Pacific

Site name rename issues Edit

In case didn't notice yet. See Raylan talk. As you know there's a lot of infrastructure tied to wiki namespace. External links broken right now. Celess (talk) 15:33, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Main Page Edit

I've since corrected it Winky. I was solely looking at SEO tweaks and renamed the site "identifier" (wiki info) as "World of Warcraft Community" or something similar. Celess caught that it had the unintended effect of making those pages he linked to essentially nonexistent, so I've since swapped back to the WoWWiki identifier. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:06, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look over the changes, just to see what happened. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Apr 2014 10:42 AM Pacific

All pages WoWWiki: namespace go bonk. Or more like: 'poof'. By the time you looked must have been gone, or saw you coming and rund off. Celess (talk) 20:32, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Heh okay. Seems fixed now, but I will yell, scream and jump up and down, if it happens again. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Apr 2014 2:24 PM Pacific

Battle pet ability table templates Edit

Thanks for making the battle pet ability table templates! It's so much easier now! Smiley RBoy (talk) 01:42, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Glad you like them. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 15 Apr 2014 8:32 PM Pacific

Key Moments of MMO History Video Narration Edit

Hey there Fandyllic, my name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! Wikia is creating an exciting Key Moments of MMO History video that will showcase several amazing games of the genre. We're looking for admins of MMO wikis who would be interested in submitting a short vocal narration about their game of choice.

We want to ask you the question What is the most important moment in World of Warcraft's History?

If you're interested, please record an MP3 voice narration of your answer, a few sentences  to a small paragraph is fine. If you have no recording software and are still interested, we can schedule a Skype call to record! Please send the finished recording to and you'll be featured in the video to represent your community! Thank you and have a good one! TheBlueRogue @Wikia •(profile)•(talk)•( 19:31, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Continued at User_talk:TheBlueRogue#Key_Moments_of_MMO_History_Video_Narration. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 21 Apr 2014 3:04 PM Pacific

Tooltip Edit

Sure. Of course. :) I'll let know Winky Celess (talk) 22:37, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

On it now Celess (talk) 19:49, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Done :) Celess (talk) 19:56, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Apr 2014 12:34 PM Pacific
Is NP. Is welcome. Is late reply... :) Celess (talk) 21:29, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Last edit issues Edit

Just a fyi regarding In5Daysthen2010. See: Celess (talk) 16:13, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning this up. Changed block to infinite. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 May 2014 9:50 AM Pacific

Another Blizzcon?Edit

Trying to get tickets! :D tommorrow --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 6 May 2014 4:35 PM UTC 16:35, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Good luck! I'm still deciding, but I'll probably break down and go... Winky --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 May 2014 8:45 AM Pacific

I got tickets -- 23:23, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Email Edit

Be sure to check your email today! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:54, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Question Edit

Chat? Winky Celess (talk) 20:05, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Made a user page Edit

Hi Fandyllic, I have made my user page, so u can see and other could see it and to better know me :3 —This unsigned comment is by Cecijo (talkcontribs) 09:11, June 5, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Very nice. Your avatar pic could be clearer (or sillier), but you made a good user page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5 Jun 2014 10:12 AM Pacific

June 6, 2014 Edit

I don't have an account, so I was having difficulty reporting a user.

User Links Note contribs (if bot), logs talk block user – Changed Heroes' Dreamwalker Garb page to profanity 22:11, May 26, 2014.

—This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 18:51, June 6, 2014‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

User Links Note
1 month
contribs (if bot), logblock log talk anon user; intense vandalism.
--Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Jun 2014 8:57 AM Pacific

Lua templates Edit

Yep :) #Templates and Extensions Winky For the record, if its stable it probably wouldn't hurt. Is been around for good while now it think. Celess (talk) 04:08, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the Scribunto stuff and forgot it was Lua-based. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 17 Jun 2014 6:12 AM Pacific

I think it would be fun to try. Could save a lot of template maintenance cost on some and edit-save wait time in a few places for sure, especially for templates that repeat 1000s times a page, and for some of the pages that are forced to not cache like portals, and so on. :) Some places the complexity would evaporate as well. Celess (talk) 22:42, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Ok I'm looking at it now, finally got caught up on other things. I think I tried it before and wasn't 'turned on' yet. Maybe that's what the new notice is about, like turning it on by default or is an officially request-able feature now. I'll find out :) Celess (talk) 23:02, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

No need to go crazy. But anything you can find out is good. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 19 Jun 2014 10:29 AM Pacific


Got tickets to Blizzcon Again! Are you going? --IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 20 Jun 2014 3:12 AM UTC

I should be, but with a press pass again. Hopefully the Wikia overlords come through. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 19 Jun 2014 8:16 PM Pacific

How to begin Edit

Greetings! I am thinking about joining the Wiki- my boyfriend got me into WoW. I was wondering, however: where is a good place to begin editing? --Storm_Serenity 16:47, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

I leave some info on your talk page. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Jun 2014 9:51 AM Pacific

Long time, no see! Edit

WoW.Answers is still going strong!  I'm actually adding more features by way of PyWikiBot to help automate some tasks.  I'm also configuring some filters so we'll hopefully not get any more questions regarding networking lol.

Haven't heard from you in a while, so I hope everything is good!  Darkpsy (talk) 17:30, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Off topic image Edit

Hi :), picture haven't got any sense, so it's just a joke, u can delete it and fell free to see my user page, i have ideas for wow expansions :) —This unsigned comment is by Cecijo (talkcontribs) 12:03, July 17, 2014. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Creature icons Edit

Hi all creature icons have been takeing much more place on the pages. I just wounder why and if it is temporary or if it is permanent? Will it be restored? Assey Westfall (talk) 21:34, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Requesting Delete Edit

Would it be possible to get this page deleted? :) If you can, I will be forever grateful.User:DudeIAmSoHigh/Fluffys_the_Legendary_Owlkin

Best Regards


Sure. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Aug 2014 8:29 PM Pacific

Race icon Edit

Hi I'm making ideas for new WoW expansion can u plaease make me raceicon for new Hostile race, for male Flame Troll please. Cecijo 18:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

PS I have already uploaded it.Cecijo (talk) 18:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. It's not one of my strengths. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 15 Aug 2014 7:22 AM Pacific

THX very much :)17:40, August 16, 2014 (UTC)Cecijo

I'm back! Edit

Tankingmage (talk) 10:50, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


I've been going back through the templates I created and tweaking them a bit, adding docs and categories as I go. I would like your input on two templates I am testing right now. I posted on Raylan13's talk page about them for her (his?) input as well. Check here for the post, and please let me know what you think.
AlexSUCF (talk) 15:28, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Shadow of Mordor versus tournamentEdit

Hi Fandyllic! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Community Development Team.

I'm reaching out to see if your community would like to be a part of a versus tournament we're hosting on the Shadow of Mordor wikia. It would go live in September, and we would be pitting The Lich King against Sauron from Shadow of Mordor. The voting would live in a blog on Shadow of Mordor and we would post a button on The Lich King's page here encouraging your community to vote for them. On the voting blog we would link back to your wikia, and we'll be promoting the tournament around Wikia. If your community would like to be a part of the tournament, which would include the button on The Lich King's page as well as a link back to your community from the voting blog, please let me know by 8/29.

Thank you! Mark@Wikia (talk) 21:17, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Quest Log, Paper Doll, & Vendor DisplaysEdit

Hey, not sure if you saw them yet, but I made some fancy imitation displays for the Quest Log (currently not used anywhere except my test page), Paper Doll (fully usable with {{Paperdoll}}, example on my other test page), and Vendor Display (visible on Alyssa Eva's page). The Paper Doll *could* be used on NPC pages if we know what gear they are wearing, but it would mostly be used for personal pages. Also check the message I left on Raylan's talk page for more info. Let me know if you like them and I can start implementing them as I go through and revise old pages.
Edit: Gah! Forgot my signature!
AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 19:11, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Alyssa Eva was messed up because I was working on the template...oops. It's fixed now and looking all spiffy, save for the few items she used to sell that aren't properly coded on their own pages. And regarding the old quests, I am going back and marking all the old ones as obsolete zone-by-zone so that we can add all the ones since Cata in, so I can do the boxes then. And I'll have docs for the templates done soon, wanted to run them by you first before I fully doc'd them.

AlexSUCF (talk · contr) 01:24, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Admin vote Edit

Wanted to point you to this, since you and I have been talking with AlexSUCF. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:15, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Expert vote Edit

Sitb has put in for Guild achievements expert. He's already a patroller and doing a fine job with that and with updating those achievements. Just popping this in here in case you want to give a yea or nay Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 20:18, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Greetings Edit

Hey Fandyllic, it's been a while! Just came by to say hello and that I have returned to WoWWiki after a long period of absence! Anything that I need to be caught up on?  PacmanNomNomNom Macrophager (talk) 19:32, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

About Your WikiEdit

Hey! I'm founder of Yabancı Şarkılar Wiki. I see almost all wikia's URL end with "" but your wikia's URL with ".com" I want to do it, too. How do I?

Ramona.Stewart  MesajKatkılar Düzenlemeler 20:19, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Tooltips Edit

Here's the simplified template I've been using; this is mainly for things that I'm not adding all the extra gems/enchants/etc. to. For the more extensive stuff, since it's really just a case-by-case basis, I've put the more elaborate code here. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:06, October 24, 2014 (UTC)


Couple more days, you Going? IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 3 Nov 2014 3:54 PM UTC 15:54, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going, but I don't have tix yet. Frowney Raylan assures me I'll get a regular ticket, but maybe not a press pass. We'll see. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Nov 2014 7:49 AM Pacific

Well Last day of free time, I'll see you there I guess(Illidan statue again?) IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 6 Nov 2014 9:40 PM UTC 21:40, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Probably will try to meet Saturday… Friday pretty busy. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Nov 2014 1:29 PM Pacific

Oof! let's try and meet at the Grom Statue at 1:29?

Okay, I'll try for Grom statue at around 1:30 pm Sat. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Nov 2014 8:59 AM Pacific
Looking bad. Stuck in Blizz Store line. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Nov 2014 1:11 PM Pacific

You out? maybe we can play some HotS at 3:30? IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 8 Nov 2014 10:03 PM UTC 22:03, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Can't do 3:30 pm... WoW QnA panel. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Nov 2014 2:17 PM Pacific

5:30? IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 8 Nov 2014 10:32 PM UTC 22:32, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Waiting, At Grom Statue IconSmall MalfurionIconSmall Antonidas TheKaldorei (contribstalk) 9 Nov 2014 1:35 AM UTC 01:35, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Admin nom Edit

Wanted to let you know that I officially threw Sitb's name into the list of nominees for admin. You and I briefly touched on his contributions at BlizzCon Winky You can find it here. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:19, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Follower ArticleEdit

Hey there Fandyllic! :)

I left a message on the follower talk page a few days ago regarding the overhaul you recently did, and that all the "source" column's information was lost in the process. I've been sitting on my hands for the past few days, hesitant to re-add this information in case you were planning on further re-structuring the follower page. Is it safe to re-populate the table, following your new format?
-Sitb (talk) 19:42, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Missions! Edit

Hey Fandy! I asked Raylan about it, and he recommended talking to you, so here it goes: would it be possible for you to create a template for follower missions? (somewhat like the quest page layout). I really wanted to get started on creating articles for them but I wanted to wait for an official template. Please let me know one way or the other. Thanks in advance!Zmario 00:40, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll see what I can do. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 Dec 2014 8:07 PM Pacific
Wow man, you put a lot of work into this in such a small amount of time. There's nothing I can think of changing. I've tested various variables (including rewards such as garrison resources). However, is having a "follower" variable necessary? Players can choose their followers so having slots for followers and adding their names seem unnecessary (I'd rather just have 3 blank portraits to show it's a three-follower mission). Zmario 23:15, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the follower slots really aren't necessary, I guess. I'll put blank slots. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Dec 2014 6:00 PM Pacific

Maps Edit

FYI: looks like our maps and coordinate templates are broken as of the end of December. I've filed a ticket, as it doesn't appear to be anything we've done here. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 01:41, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Maps/coordinates should all be working again, thanks to some investigation by Rappy Winky Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:26, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hearthstone quiz Edit

Heya Winky I've been notified that we've got an ask from Blizzard for a Hearthstone-based quiz that seems to center around the classes in the game. They'll probably provide most of the questions, and I'll likely supply a handful myself.

You can see an example of something similar here (if it doesn't open in FF, try Chrome, etc.). One thing to note is that there will be an option to close it out for those that aren't interested in taking it.

Would it be all right to include it on WoWWiki as well? (Edit: This would run for approximately two months, but could be talked down to a month.) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:23, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

If it's okay with you, it's okay with me. If it were something based on Heroes of the Storm, I would still be okay with it, but maybe make it last less long. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Feb 2015 10:51 AM Pacific
I'll push for the month-long rather than two month-long duration, then Smiley Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:56, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Links to follower pagesEdit

Hey Fandyllic,

Assey Westfall brought up an issue with the Follower page here. The links in the table point to pages following the naming convention "NPCname (follower)". However, no pages exist following that naming convention. A lot of the existing NPC pages already contain WoD follower-related info where applicable somewhere on their page (this is how I've been integrating new WoD info into existing NPC articles personally). Changing these links to point directly to the NPC pages (without the "(follower)" tag) would activate many links within the follower table which are currently broken. Is this something I can do, or is there a specific reasoning behind having separate "follower" pages for each NPC?
-Sitb (talk) 15:30, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

The main reason I made a distinction between NPC and follower pages is that the tooltips can't show both NPC and follower info at the same time easily. My goal is to make {{follower}} links show follower info and {{NPC}} links show NPC info, since many of the followers have quite a bit of separate and distinct NPC info as they give out quests and such. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Feb 2015 12:43 PM Pacific
Ah, I was wondering if tooltips maybe had something to do with it. Going forward then, would you suggest I keep making pages as I have been and wait until the "follower" template is finalized and working before doing anything differently/creating separate follower pages? For the tooltips, is there a way to extract just the follower-related info from an NPC page? If so, perhaps I can use a standard format for a specific section of an NPC article where all the follower-related info is contained on a page, allowing it to be extracted with ease for the tooltips. I'll keep an eye out for any new follower pages if you create them, and I'll follow whatever format you decide.
-Sitb (talk) 19:49, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
The {{Follower}} template seems to work well enough now. As nice as it would be to put everything on one page, it would probably take a massive addition to the {{npcbox}} template and someone more clever than me to extract the follower specific content. I think it's doable, but I'm sure I'd muck it up, if I tried it.
You can use NPC Official alliance mini-icon Shelly Hamby and follower Official alliance mini-icon Shelly Hamby as a model for now. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Feb 2015 12:16 PM Pacific
Understood. I had noticed what you did with the Shelly Hamby (follower) page. I'll replicate that format in the future when I create pages for NPCs who are also followers and create the "follower" page as well as the "NPC" page. Winky
-Sitb (talk) 20:34, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
I will experiment with the all-in-one concept. The more I look at template stuff, it seems like it should be possible. What scares me is the Javascript stuff that drives the tooltips. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Feb 2015 3:07 PM Pacific

From anonymous user Edit

(hey i want to keep the pages up to date with whats happenning in lore, like most things from cata and mop beign wrote in a past tense) —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 12:56, February 26, 2015. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Most of your work is appreciated. We'd trust you more if you registered an account and made edits that way. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 26 Feb 2015 4:06 PM Pacific


Congrats on the big 100k, you crazy person! Winky
-Sitb (talk) 14:22, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Aww thanks. I didn't even notice! --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 28 Feb 2015 8:48 AM Pacific
Indeed! You are absolutely insane Grin Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:57, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

100k Edit

Glad you liked it Smiley I might do the same sort of thing for the Hearthstone site when I've got the time, but it'd be fun to do here, too. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 20:09, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Google Code shutdown Edit

Bidding farewell to Google Code... Does this affect you? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Mar 2015 12:37 PM Pacific

No it doesn't and there are no indirect dependencies for here as well. But much thanks for the heads up :) Celess22 (talk) 05:32, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Barrens combined map Edit

can someone make a combined map of southren and nothren barrens —This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) 13:11, March 27, 2015. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Like File:WorldMap-Barrens-old.jpg or with the damage from Cataclysm? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Mar 2015 12:47 PM Pacific
Okay I made a new combo map at File:WorldMap-BarrensCombined.jpg. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Mar 2015 3:54 PM Pacific

Survey response rate Edit

Thanks, and not really. Got a few responses through reddit so far but its coming along quite slowly. If you could give it a look or even advertise it that would be brilliant, or if you have any suggestions for how to get any more responses I's really appreciate any advice!

Thanks Again


Kitanderson93 (talk) 11:49, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Domain Edit

Ah, apologies for not making sure to link Bert's forum post across all admins earlier (buried in HotS updates). It explains things in greater depth, but the short of it is that they're moving all domains to end with "" due to technical reasons. Bert approached me earlier (I wasn't permitted to say anything then) about what name we should go by, and I thought it best to continue using something as close to, however redundant the url appears. It can be changed, however, if needed, to something else so long as it still ends in

We still "own" the domain, so people don't have to change their bookmarks and it won't affect rankings or anything like that. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 15:42, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Just a heads up. I can't log into WoWWiki directly and I suspect anyone else who's account has an active server-side session can't either, because the domain that their client cookies are tied to, conflict with the wowwiki domain name change. I had to log in through another wiki and had to clear cookies on my end first. Basically I couldn't make any wiki changes, like edit a page, on the server session I had, and couldn't log-out even. Server sessions persist even after days or however long you are allowed to "stay signed in". Others might be having issues and not be able to figure out how to do anything about it and may think are dead in the water. All cookies, and in-part server side sessions, are based on domain name. Just wanted to let you know. They, Facepalm's Wikia buddies, probably want to flush the server session cache, which probably for modern Wikia wikis are persistent between server boots. Celess22 (talk) 23:47, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Ah good! I'm glad someone finally explained that, thanks Celess22! I was in the same boat for a few days and was unable to determine why. I thought I was going insane and messed up my account settings in some way. A little embarrassing, actually and I'm really surprised that we didn't receive a more evident/visible warning from Wikia before the change. It's not a good thing that several of us Admins were somewhat "locked out" of the Wiki without a real explanation. Considering this issue potentially affects every single user who is constantly logged into the wiki since before the domain change, would it be worth posting something more visible on the main portal, for example?
-Sitb (talk) 21:36, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
I totally take the blame for not notifying each one of you individually and changing our community messages to reflect the change when Bert posted this on the 19th. It would have given us a few more days to gather feedback and throw it back at Bert before the holiday weekend. I was buried under a metric ton of HotS updates and another Wikia-centric project; not an excuse, but just at least letting you know it wasn't something I just shrugged at.
I'm not privy to how the decision was made or even in on whether it should have been made - that being said, if you want to ask questions, technical or otherwise, or even if you have concerns about how this came about - please feel free to throw them at me and I will gather it all together and forward it to Bert. Any response I get I'll pass back, if Bert doesn't show up and do it himself. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 01:22, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Stub templates Edit

Hey there Winky I wanted to pass some new page stubs past you before I potentially implemented them. Basically I condensed the information (and cleaned a couple of them) to give them a lower profile on the page. They also have unique icons so people can tell at a glance what page they've stumbled into. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:25, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Done! Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:14, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

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