Apparently the runecloth hand in is also repeatable, but that's gonna be higher level.
Im 35 (a little more then half way to 36) and im like 2000, 3,000 xp out of 2100 xp, does anyone know any quests that can get me a lot of SW honor?
Mr.X8 03:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Turlyon's Statue
Each statue in the valley shows each warrior in prime condition to fight for the alliance.Each not having a single sign of grief....that is..except for turlyon.If you look closely at his statue he seems to be crying.Can anyone give a remote guess about what he is crying for? Thanks Hammerdin
Bowing his head in reverence to the light?--SWM2448 22:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Probably because he became a commander after Anduin Lothar died. Yaki 22:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Population
I thought that 200,000 was a typo and it really is 20,000 according to a footnote on Lands of Conflict. And it makes sense too, because otherwise there would be more dwarves in Stormwind than Ironforge. --Amro 03:35, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
I think it says there are more dwarves in SW then IF
Mr.X8 22:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
It was speculated that it may be a typo, however, the population has never been updated in any other source. It was actually reprinted in a later book.Baggins 04:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
That also means there would be more dwarves in Stormwind than HUMANS. -- Dark T Zeratul 06:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope, the numbers of humans definitely outnumber the dwarves, 140,000 humans to 28,000 dwarves. Ya the numbers for dwarves in Stormwind does outnumber dwarves in Ironforge, but not the entire Kingdom of Ironforge--Baggins 07:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
200,000 is pretty clearly a mistake, if it were true Stormwind would be more than 10 times larger than any other city in game, which doesn't logically make sense, and as pointed out earlier, it indicates that there are 28,000 Dwarves in Stormwind compared to the total population of Ironforge, which is 20,000. Also, Adam Loyd's website states that the printed population of Stormwind is wrong and should be 25,000. Burzolog (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, but remember that RPG writers aren't considered cannonical if they aren't supported by Blizzard; besides there are 2 sources that state 200,000. Also note that the Alliance has 800,000 members so it's not strange if stormwind has 200,000. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Pig and Whistle?
Can someone site this info? It's not in-game as far as I know. If it's from an outside source, it should have a tag denoting that. --Varghedin (talk · contr) 19:38, 3 January 2007 (EST)
it is--Truckman1 06:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Instance portal
In SW theres what looks to be a gated off instance portal. I know of 3 people who've been in there. All their accounts of whats in there is different. Does anyone know whats in there or how to get in?
Mr.X8 03:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
If you search for it on YouTube you'll see how many people got there. Behind the portal is nothing. You'll appear under Stormwind at a untextured flat area. Hewbie (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Raiding
Anyone here that thinks the level design is unfair when it comes to raiding? Like Ogrimmar for example, players can sneak around the back entrance and bypass the level 72 npc in the front. In Stormwind, players have no choice but to take the front. Me and a group of friends tried to raid it, we eventually made it to the King (dying and rez) and we couldn't even attack the King. How unfair is that?
-extremepain
Unfair or not... "Working as Intended". City designs is probably one of the few places which Lore takes precidence over "raids". Invin Dranoel 17:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Stormwind has three entrances. 1. Main gate. Duh. 2. Harbor. Swim in, but lots of guards and NPCs. 3. Deeprun Tram. No guards, short walk to the exit, and right next to the Royal Hall. That's where all the raids I've seen have come from. Deiena (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Half-Orcs
The Half Orc's article says some live in SW, so shouldn't we add them too?
Mr.X8 23:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
And Gnomes, there's a lot in the dwarven distrectUser:Airiph/sig 02:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Are they in the city?Baggins 02:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont know,Id imagin because of the gryffen mastersUser:Airiph/sig 02:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Not all gryphon masters are Wildhammer. To be sure, look for tattoos. Also most Wildhammer on Azeroth in game are neutral to the players as far as I know.Baggins 17:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Not at Wildhammer Keep or the one in Shadowmoon. I saw those dwarven guards chase a blood elf almost all the way back to the entrance of the Hinterlands.
Mr.X8TalkContribs 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah,and I saw that the SW FP is a human femaleUser:Airiph/sig 18:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Wait, you're lvl 41 and just now you see that the SW Flight master is a human chick!?
Mr.X8TalkContribs 19:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
...maybe I forgotUser:Airiph/sig 19:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
No, all wildhammers attack Horde. I meant neutral to the Alliance, however after I checked in the game, they are now all green to Alliance.Baggins 19:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Harpies
in the article where it lists the groups of people who live in SW, under Gnomes someone put harpies. wtf? does ne1 know if a source says or shows harpies in SW? if not it should be removed from the articleDunnsworth 20:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe the rpg meantioned harpies living in the hills above/behind stormwind. honestly can;t remeber though.WarthokTalkContribs 20:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
seems kinda wierd becuz i havent seen them anywhere outside of kalimdor
Dunnsworth 21:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Harpies are also found in AV.WarthokTalkContribs 21:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
well can ne1 find an official source of lore showing that harpies live within SW, if not i think i should take it out, and i dont think living in the hills around Stormwind counts as living within SW
Was already removed before this conversation. If someone can find the source (im betting on Lands of Conflict). Feel free to place it back up.WarthokTalkContribs 21:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm thats a differnt page. One talk page for two articles? Nvm this whole stormwind divisions is starting to confuse me.WarthokTalkContribs 21:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Found the source. LoC pg 53. In the pass north of stormwind. The Harpy entry was in the region article not in the city so it's alright.WarthokTalkContribs 21:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this discussion is in the wrong section. It should be in the region section.Baggins 21:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Portual City
"Lord Anduin Lothar concedes that the Kingdom of Azeroth has been lost. He rallies his countrymen and leads them in a desperate retreat across the Great Sea, eventually landing upon the shores of Lordaeron." -- from First War
"VanCleef commissioned the construction of a gargantuan leviathan of a vessel armed with enough firepower to shell Stormwind into submission." -- from Edwin VanCleef
"A reasonably large shipyard lies on the northeastern part of the city, and provides the Alliance with naval craft." -- from Stormwind#Geography
So, why don't add some of these infos under the lore-only "Stormwind University" in the page? Stormwind undoubtedly has a Harbor. It needs a page too :P <imagelink>IconSmall_Gnome_Male.gif|Gnome</imagelink><imagelink>IconSmall_Mage.gif|Mage</imagelink> EraclitoRunetotem-EU 03:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
In the current Wotlk alpha, Stormind has an harbour added on the western edge of the map, and according to the rumors the boat to Theramore will start from there making room in Menethil for the Northrend boat. On the 2.4.3 PTR there are some construction efforts on the way to the "new harbour". --Hurax (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Suggest merge of Stormwind City and Guide To Stormwind City
This two articles is almost identical. I think they should be merged. One excellent article is better than two good articles, at least when they cover the same topic. Hewbie (talk) 13:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Stormwind - renaming of the article
Every faction in the game has the same name as its capital (for example - Ironforge, Silvermoon City, Orgrimmar,...). There is no faction called "Stormwind City", there is only faction called "Stormwind". Thats the reason why this article should be renamed to the "Stormwind", and current Stormwind renamed to "Kingdom of Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
It is confusing because in the game they say the faction is Stormwind and not Stormwind City. I am not sure if they mean Stormwind City when they say just Stormwind or if they are counting the whole Stormwind Kingdom as a faction. Rolandius (talk - contr) 17:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
In all other factions they are counting with the city, which is also the faction (see Faction and Reputation). Kingdoms are not important for the game. --Novis-M (talk) 17:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I know, but Stormwind I guess is huge. It would have been nice if they just made the faction Stormwind City instead of Stormwind then. Rolandius (talk - contr) 17:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Kingdom of Stormwind is huge, not the city itself, and every faction and player belong to their capital. So I think we both are for the renaming this article to the "Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The official name of the "kingdom of Stormwind" is actually just "Stormwind" in published lore. Yes, a second definition of "Stormwind" is for the faction. Stormwind City is not a faction, but the capital of "Stormwind". This really shouldn't be that difficult to understand. Yes, to make things more confusing, Stormwind City is often abbreviated to simply "Stormwind" itself in many of those published sources, making a third usage for the term.Baggins (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it is the faction, but under the name of "Stormwind". --Novis-M (talk) 21:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The Stormwind humans page is more of the factions page, or should be in this instance. The city page is more about info about the "city". All these things can all be called "stormwind". I could suggest making Stormwind a disambig, and have it go to Stormwind (kingdom) (or kingdom of Stormwind, if preferred), Stormwind City, and Stormwind human like we have done with the Lordaeron and Azeroth disambig pages. It might also be possible to create a specific Stormwind (faction) page devoted to just faction rep information. It should be noted that "kingdom of" is more of a description rather than a proper title for the countries in question, and thus kingdom is usually lower case rather than upper case.Baggins (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
When I started my character I was put in Northshire Abbey and not Stormwind City. So does that still count as a Stormwind human? I think it is getting confusing because on the one hand, I read that Stormwind does not go much beyond the city and that Stormwind Kingdom broke away from the Kingdom of Azeroth. On the other hand, I read that there are Stormwind humans, a Stormwind faction that is not just the city, and also that Stormwind's control stretches to the Redridge Mountains and Duskwood. After reading all these pages, it seems that Stormwind is both just a city but then at the same time a huge kingdom. Also, after reading all these pages, it seems like the Kingdom of Azeroth is the same as the Kingdom of Stormwind, but then at the same time that the Kingdom of Azeroth lost a small piece of land and acted like it had to change its name? I found all this by just reading the pages Stormwind and Stormwind City. Which is the correct story? Rolandius (talk - contr) 02:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Just as their are several uses of Lordaeron there are several uses of Stormwind, and several uses of Azeroth. The stormwind humans bit comes from the WoW manual and website. Yes you start in Northshire Valley, but your character is said to be from Stormwind in the manual. Its similar to how Ironforge dwarves start outside of Ironforge. Draenei of Exodar start outside of Exodar. Orcs of Ogrimarr start outside of Ogrimarr, et cetera, ad nauseum.Baggins (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok what about the rest of the stuff? Does the Azeroth Kingdom no longer exist? Is Stormwind Kingdom just the city and Elwynn Forest? Also, if the Stormwind faction is not the same as Stormwind City or the Kingdom of Stormwind, then what is it exactly? Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Azeroth the kindom more or less is more closely related to the most of the Azeroth continent. Actually in some uses the continent and kingdom may refer the "same" region. While the continent definitely still exists; the original kingdom no longer exists (the original boundaries have more or less been erased, the article for kingdom of Azeroth tries to explain things in more detail). Stormwind faction relates more to the faction of people from Stormwind (who have moved to various places in the world or live in stormwind) than the region itself.
Finally kingdom of Stormwind is considered a region seperate from Elwynn Forest, that is Elwynn Forest is considered its own region, and Stormwind is another region altogether. Although in the MMO the two overlap onto the same map somwwhat (although Stormwind does get its own seperate map ingame). MMO's presentation is a matter of game mechanics though, and not necessarily lore. As mentioned previously the MMO's maps do not represent "real world " scale, and some things get truncated a bit.Baggins (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay so when the Kingdom of Azeroth broke apart, only the Kingdom of Stormwind was significant? All the other groups did not become kingdoms but instead just small regions? The Stormwind Faction is more of a decentralized faction while the other 90% of them are centralized factions? Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Well all the smaller regions are either influenced by Stormwind (though they each have their own governments) or in the case of Westfall "independent". I wouldn't say any of the factions are "centralized" exactly, you'll run into members of each of the factions all over the worlds.Baggins (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but it seems like the faction of Stormwind is the only faction people are getting confused with. Unless I am forgetting a faction, Stormwind is the only faction that is both a city and a kingdom, with land stretching way beyond the city borders. Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it is confusing, Blood Elves have also their faction called "Silvermoon City", and have no kingdom. I agree with Baggins, he wrote exactly what I just want to say: I could suggest making Stormwind a disambig, and have it go to Stormwind (kingdom) (or kingdom of Stormwind, if preferred), Stormwind City, and Stormwind human like we have done with the Lordaeron and Azeroth disambig pages. This is the best solution, let the people choose what they want to read. Everything will point to this disambig page called "Stormwind", and that is much better than what we have now - 50% of pages point to Stormwind, another 50% point to Stormwind City - simply chaos. --Novis-M (talk) 08:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh you guys already made disambig, thats great. Now we should redirect every "Stormwind" and "Stormwind City" link to this disambig page.
I'm new here on wowwiki, but I can see that it works perfectly - I had a problem, I wrote it down, everybody read it and talked about it and solution came quickly thanks to you. Thanks for help! --Novis-M (talk) 09:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
What are you talking about Novis-M, you were the original person that was confused and started asking about the faction. Yes, Blood Elves have a faction called Silvermoon City and no kingdom, which is what I just said in my last entry. Also, you did not say what Baggins just said. You said we should change the names of the actual pages. Rolandius (talk - contr) 09:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thats not difference if we have Stormwind (disambig) or Stormwind, so I agree with him now, after the discussion. Yes, I was confused and I was not alone. I was just answering this: When I started my character I was put in Northshire Abbey and not Stormwind City. So does that still count as a Stormwind human? - I was trying to say that blood elves also not start in their city, although their faction is called "Silvermoon City". --Novis-M (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok are we all agreed that all mentioning of the Stormwind faction should point to the page Stormwind human? I think Baggins stated, "The Stormwind humans page is more of the factions page, or should be in this instance." It looks like we agreed on this now. Rolandius (talk - contr) 09:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think so, Stormwind faction is now Stormwind Kingdom, because it is huge and important, and as we said, SW city is not the faction. Other factions has no similar big kingdoms, only cities, so Stormwind is exception. I think that links should point to disambig page. --Novis-M (talk) 09:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay everyone just got done saying that the faction was not the kingdom or city. Now your saying it is the kingdom, but you want to point the faction to the disambig page? Rolandius (talk - contr) 09:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I think its better to point to disambig page so people are able to choose. --Novis-M (talk) 10:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
So people are able to choose which page is the faction? The disambig page is there so that when someone searches for "Stormwind" they can pick which "Stormwind" they were looking for. I don't think a faction should point to a disambig page. Rolandius (talk - contr) 10:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
You're right, but theres problem with the faction. Look, every other faction consist only of the city. Stormwind faction is not only SW city nor only SW kingdom, it has something about 75% of the kingdom and 25% of the city. With the disambig page I think it is OK now. --Novis-M (talk) 10:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
If everyone else agrees with that than okay. Rolandius (talk - contr) 10:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Stormwind's other flag
Does this flag represent Stormwind also? Rolandius (talk - contr) 10:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Alliance taxi flag.--SWM2448 00:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but I have had this question for a while. When the survivors of the fall of Stormwind fled the Orc Horde, they fled across the sea to Lordaeron, right? This is shown by the opening cinematic of Warcraft II, as well as in the book "Tides of Darkness" by Aaron Rosenberg where Marcus Redpath, upon hearing that Lothar comes from Stormwind, states "Stormwind? But that is across the sea!" How is it now then that both Lordaeron (now Undercity) AND Stormwind are on the same continent (Eastern Kingdoms)? Stormwind was won back by Alliance forces, not rebuilt somewhere else. Is this just a plot hole, something Blizzard is hoping to ignore so that game mechanics work better? I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or could help me with an answer here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superstition77 (talk · contr).
Plot hole/retcon. It's not "across the sea" anymore, but they still traveled BY sea to reach Lordaeron. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Based on the Warcraft II map, a sea route may have been much faster, and it is between the two cities.--SWM2448 00:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
A combination of all the above? Although both Lordaeron/Undercity and Stormwind are part of the continent of the Eastern Kingdoms, they are also on two different continents because the Eastern Kingdoms was actually made up of 4 continents (3 in WoW) (Azeroth, Khaz Modan, Lordaeron, and Quel'Thalas). Lordaeron/Undercity is part of the continent of Lordaeron, while Stormwind is part of the continent of Azeroth. Back to the "across the sea" question. According to this map File:War2.jpg, they technically did travel "across the sea" because they went across The Great Sea. To us, it looks like they just went across a "gulf" or something. Rolandius (talk - contr) 02:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I like the explanation above this post, as it is the one I have been considering lately. Looking at the maps, the sea route between Lordaeron/Southshore and Stormwind would be large enough to be considered a sea, so I guess that answers that. Thanks for the help settling that one!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superstition77 (talk · contr).
Weather
Why does the weather never change in Stormwind? I spend a lot of time there, and it is constantly sunny. I mean, it rains in Darnassus. It snows at the Gates of Ironforge. Exodar is one big building. It rains in Orgrimmar, and it gets foggy. I've seen it drizzle in Silvermoon. I've never been to Thunder Bluff, but I bet it rains there. Undercity is, well, under a rock. Do the mages have nothing better to do than keep the rain away or something? Come on! I'd be happy with a drizzle, Blizz! Deiena (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The mages at Stormwind know you like rain, they don't like you, and they're keeping it from raining so you don't bug them...and so their gardens don't get flooded. --Super Bhaal (talk) 16:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Nuts to them. Deiena (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
High Elves
High elves. Population says they're there. ... Where? I ain't never seen no high elf in Stormwind. (And that's a triple negative, so it's right.) Deiena (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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