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| leader = [[Kalecgos]] {{Cata-inline}} <br/> [[Malygos|Malygos the Spell-Weaver]] (Formerly)
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''The '''blue dragonflight''', ruled by [[Malygos]], the lord of magic, was all but devastated by the evil [[Deathwing]] and his [[black dragonflight]]. Though there are few great blue dragons left in the world, their magical powers are awesome to behold. Native to Northrend, the few blues stay relatively close to the great [[Dragonblight]], where they commune with the ancient dragon spirits who died in ages past. Their freezing breath and gargantuan claws have been the death of many hapless travelers in Northrend.''<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, 82.</ref>
   
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== On Tirisfal Glades==
  
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[[File:blue dragon.jpg|thumb|Blue drake]]
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You know, I just noticed something rather interesting. In the Wrath of the Lich King trailer, we hear the words of King Terenas, telling Arthas that the day he was born, the very forests of Lordaeron whispered, "Arthas". The wording of this is kind of interesting, as "whispering" is the main way that the Old Gods seem to communicate with the mortal races. It's also notable that the high elves who settled in the area were "driven mad by whispers", and that the "very land was corrupt". It could be that the Old Gods may have had some small role in Arthas' eventual insanity. I know it's not very likely, and that trailers aren't really considered a source of lore, but it's some food for thought. :p
 
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[[File:Drakeart.png|thumb|right|Blue drake concept art]]
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[[User:Vandaeni|Vandaeni]] 6:27 PM EST 5 Dec 2008
  
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[[File:BluedragonWCA.jpg|thumb|right|A blue dragon from ''[[Warcraft Adventures]]''.]]
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The blue dragonflight includes the blue dragons themselves as well as all other blue dragonkin such as dragonspawn and drakonids.
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*{{RaceIconExt|DragonBlue}} [[Blue wyrm]]{{RPG-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|DragonBlue}} [[Blue dragon]] (mature)
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*{{RaceIconExt|DrakeBlue}} [[Blue drake]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|WhelpBlue}} [[Blue whelp]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|SpawnBlue}} [[Blue dragonspawn]]
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**{{RaceIconExt|SpawnBlue}} [[Blue scalebane]]
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**{{RaceIconExt|SpawnBlue}} [[Blue wyrmkin]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|DrakonidBlue}} [[drakonid|Blue drakonid]]
   
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==Culture==
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Well there is some truth to that, because after all Arthas faced one down in the lower kingdom (we believe). But the whispering could also be a word of speech.[[User:Gorvar|Gorvar]] ([[User talk:Gorvar|talk]]) 09:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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The Blue Dragonflight encompasses both the literal descendants of Malygos — the blue dragons — and their loyal servants and companions, the blue dragonspawn. Historically, blue dragons have had a reputation for spending their days in solitary contemplation of the secrets of the world, but in recent times blue dragons have proved to be more social due to the growing threats to all living creatures. Their traditional home is [[Northrend]], where they remain close to the great Dragonblight.
   
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Adult blue dragons most often have names ending in "gos", or "gosa" for females. Sometimes synonyms of the word "blue", or terms relating to spellcasting find their way into a blue dragon's name as well. When taking humanoid form blue dragons most often choose [[gnome|gnomish]] or [[high elf|high elven]] forms.
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== Naga and the Old Gods ==
  
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"Many of the Highborne were transformed into the [[Naga]], who serve the Old Gods still." Where does this connection come from? The Naga were created from the Highborne elves by the destruction of the Well of Eternity according to the official lore. Where is the connection to the Old Gods mentioned? --[[User:Fandyllic|Fandyllic]] 5:34 PM PST 29 Mar 2006
  
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:Okay I did some research and it looks like [[Blizz]]ard left out some of the [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html Naga lore] on the [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ worldofwarcraft.com] site and it was filled in by the books.
  
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:From [http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/434/ Richard A. Knaak Q&A Interview Part 2 - War of the Ancients Trilogy] on [http://www.blizzplanet.com/ BlizzPlanet.com]:
  
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::''' ''2. There seems to be some confusion among fans. In the Lore forums, the discussion is whether Azshara struck a bargain with the Old gods or not. Whether the Old gods turned Azshara and her highborne into Naga, as their new servants.'' '''
  
   
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==History==
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::''Knaak: Yes, it was decided by Blizzard that the Old Gods were the reason for Azshara and her ilk becoming Naga. They wanted to tie the Old Gods in, better to the world.''
  
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:So the implication is that the Naga owe the Old Gods for helping them survive the [[Great Sundering]] and the [[Maelstrom]]. --[[User:Fandyllic|Fandyllic]] 5:48 PM PST 29 Mar 2006
  
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[[File:BlueDragon1.jpg|thumb|right|The Blue Dragon in Warcraft III.]]
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===Charge of the Dragonflights===
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Before the [[Titans]] departed Azeroth, they charged the greatest species of the world with the task of watching over it. In that age, there were many [[dragonflight]]s, yet five flights, one of which was the blue, held dominion over their brethren, and were chosen to shepherd the budding world. The greatest members of the [[Pantheon]] imbued a portion of their power upon each of the flights' leaders.
   
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[[Norgannon]], the Titan lore keeper and master-magician, granted the blue dragon, Malygos, a portion of his vast power. From then on, Malygos would be known as the Spell-Weaver, the guardian of magic and hidden arcanum.<ref>{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html#4 |title="Charge of the Dragonflights" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Official World of Warcraft Community Site, History, Chapter 1}}</ref>
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:::Personally, I'm expecting some Dagon-type[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon_%28short_story%29][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon#Fish-god_tradition] of Old God to appear in reference to this. Possibly as a post-Cataclysm patch just like [[Ulduar]] was sometime after WOTLK's initial release. [[User:Metalmunki|Metalmunki]] ([[User talk:Metalmunki|talk]]) 00:03, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  
   
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The time following this came to be known as the age of dragons, when the civilization of dragonkind was at it's peak.<ref>''[[The Well of Eternity]]'', 193.</ref>
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== Sulfuron ==
  
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Sulfuron is not an Old God. It's Ragnaros personal fortress in fire part of the elemental plan as said by Sainterre (blizzard french localisation).
  
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http://forums-fr.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-localisation-fr&t=14492 --[[User:Atanor|Atanor]] 04:40, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
  
   
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===War of the Ancients===
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He's right: "Sulfuron is not a being, but a place. It's the personnal stronghold of Ragnaros in the fire elemental plan" --[[User:Veher18|Veher18]] 21:28, 03 Feb 2006 (EST)
  
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When the [[night elf|night elves]] inadvertently called the [[Burning Legion]] to the world, the blue dragons were among the first to realize the potential threat; and when the Aspect of the Earth, Neltharion, suggested creating a magical artifact to aid in the destruction of the demons, the blues were some of the first to agree to the plan. Malygos himself was one of Neltharion's closest friends, and he gave much of his own essence toward the creation of this object, called the Dragon Soul.
   
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When each dragon had contributed a portion of his or her essence to the artifact, Neltharion deemed it complete, and brought it to bear against the demons — but only for a precious few moments. Soon, he turned the artifact against the terrified night elves as well, and finally his own brethren. The shocked dragons were helpless to resist the power of the Dragon Soul, for it contained a fraction of the essence of each — with the exception of Neltharion himself. All the dragonflights, save Neltharion's own, were paralyzed in the air until the timely intervention of [[Korialstrasz]], one of the mates of the red dragonqueen, who had been absent from the initial use of the artifact. While Korialstrasz was no match for the might of the Aspect of Earth, he was powerful enough to interrupt Neltharion's concentration for a moment, which freed the other dragons from their paralysis and allowed them to act. Malygos, infuriated at the betrayal by one of his closest companions, struck first, but at a great price. As the blue dragonflight flew into formation to attack Neltharion, the mighty black wyrm unleashed the full fury of the Dragon Soul against them, and the power instantly slew nearly every one of them. As the other dragons turned to act, Neltharion retreated, leaving the blue dragonflight broken in his wake.
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== The Misplaced One ==
  
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I always thought, that there were originally five. Three were imprisoned, one felt in Darkshore and one, C'Thun, was thought to be fallen, but still lives. So there is no "Misplaced One"
  
   
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Following the betrayal, the surviving red, green, and bronze dragons secluded themselves, hoping to recover from the Dragon Soul's powers. Korialstrasz teleported himself to the icy caverns of the blue flight to search for any remaining life. He found none, save a few nearly frozen, but still intact, eggs. Knowing these eggs were the only hope of a future the blue flight had, he placed them in a pocket universe, where time ran ever so slowly, until he could pass them on to someone he could trust.<ref>''[[The Sundering]]'', 25.</ref> The Kaldorei and their allies managed to defeat the legion, but at great cost. Azeroth was sundered.
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--[[User:LemonBaby|LemonBaby]] 17:08, 3 Feb 2006 (MEZ)
  
   
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===After the Sundering===
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:It is possible that only five is originally known of, and it is planned that more unknown Old Gods will show up. It's unlikely, but possible.
  
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The loss of most of his children and mates drove Malygos out of his mind. Malygos continued for some time in the war against Neltharion, who now called himself Deathwing, but Malygos's presence in the world diminished over time. Perhaps Malygos's last sane act was placing many of his surviving dragons in the caverns of [[Mazthoril]] to hold eternal vigil over the sacred site of [[Mt. Hyjal]], location of the world tree [[Nordrassil]] and the second [[Well of Eternity]].
   
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Malygos, in his rage and grief, split his home from the rest of the land, creating the gap later known as the [[Westrift]] that separates [[Coldarra]] from what had become mainland Northrend. The few survivors settled on Coldarra, carving their own caverns out of [[the Nexus]]. For 10,000 years the [[Dragon Aspect|Aspect]] Malygos fell deeper and deeper into his madness. He isolated himself in his lair and refused all visitors.
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==The Origin of the Silithid and Qiraji==
  
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This section needs to be updated with new info from [[Lands of Mystery]]-[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 08:06, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
  
   
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The drawn out war between the [[black dragonflight]] and the other flights decimated the species, with all flights losing members, the blues losing many of what few they had left. The dragonflights hunted the blacks to the brink of extinction,<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, 142.</ref> but were greatly weakened by their sacrifice to the Demon Soul. Ultimately the blacks were nearly wiped out,<ref>''The Well of Eternity'', 245.</ref> though the other flights never truly recovered from those dark times and were never again seen in the same numbers as before. The Age of Dragons had passed.
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== Deathwing and the Black Dragonflight ==
  
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Are the black dragons still under the influence of the old gods? Or was their influence broken when the Demon Soul was destroyed?
  
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If so, then the dragons should have regained their sanity...
  
   
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===Guardians of Magic===
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The Black dragons weren't under the spell of the old Gods per se, it was mostly Deathwing who was 'corrupted'. During the events of the War of the Ancients those voices 'betrayed' Deathwing by telling him not to grab the Demon soul since it was vital to summon the old Gods into the world.[[User:Gorvar|Gorvar]] ([[User talk:Gorvar|talk]]) 09:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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A few remaining members of his flight continued their mad masters job of studying magic throughout the millennia in attempts to keep the mortal race's abuse of it in check. The [[Arcanomicon]], a map of the world's [[ley lines]] gifted to Malygos ages ago by the titan Norgannon, has been continuously updated and revised by the blue dragons over the long years of Malygos's seclusion.<ref name="The Nexus" >{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/dungeons/nexus.xml |title="The Nexus" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Wrath Of The Lich King Official Site }}</ref> Other blues, such as [[Sapphiron]] and [[Azuregos]], continued to search for and hoard artifacts of great magical power, keeping them from inexperienced hands.<ref name="War3xUD4">{{ref game|title=Warcraft III|expansion=[[Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne|The Frozen Throne]]|campaign=[[Legacy of the Damned]]|mission=[[The Return to Northrend]]}}</ref><ref name="WoW.com">{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/raidarea.html#outdoor |title="Raid Encounters" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Official World of Warcraft Community Site }}</ref> When the legion was planning its second invasion of Azeroth, another agent, [[Arcanagos]], attempted to sway the [[Guardian]] [[Medivh]] away from the path he was taking under the control of the Dark Titan, [[Sargeras]].
   
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== Old Gods before the Titans ==
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===War of the Shifting Sands===
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A thousand years before modern times, the almost-extinct blue dragons still managed to lend their aid to the [[night elf|night elves]] and the [[bronze dragonflight]] during the [[War of the Shifting Sands]]. Led by [[Arygos]], child of Malygos, the blues fought the [[Silithid]] and their [[Qiraji]] masters furiously and ultimately helped push them back to their city where they were sealed away from the world. The dragons suffered few casualties but the progeny of Malygos, Arygos, was until recently believed lost, having charged deep into [[Ahn'Qiraj]] during the final push. After the war a shard of the [[Scepter of the Shifting Sands]] was entrusted to the blue wyrm [[Azuregos]] by [[Anachronos]] the bronze.<ref>{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/shiftingsands.html |title="War of the Shifting Sands" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Official World of Warcraft Community Site }}</ref>
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Supposedly, the Old Gods were not always old. Were they called anything different while they were still running the world?
  
   
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===Battle of Grim Batol===
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yes, they were called the Gods--Truckman1 15:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  
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In the events leading up to the Second War, Deathwing led a powerful orc warlock named Nekros to the Dragon Soul — now renamed the [[Demon Soul]] — and instructed him how to use it. Nekros used the Demon Soul to force the red Dragon Aspect, [[Alexstrasza]], into submission, and forced the rest of the red dragonflight to serve him or risk the death of their queen. Korialstrasz, who escaped by faking his death and taking the identity of an archmage of the Kirin Tor, sought the other Aspects for help. Malygos had seemed almost indifferent to the news at first. When Korialstrasz asked for Malygos' assistance in his queen's rescue he hinted to the lord of the blues that as the aspect of life, there could be something Alexstrasza could do for him and his nearly-extinct flight. After heavy consideration and some coaxing from [[Ysera]], he agreed. Though each Aspect was difficult to convince, he eventually succeeded, and the dragons battled Deathwing in the sky near Grim Batol. Korialstrasz's human apprentice, Rhonin, defeated Nekros and used one of Deathwing's scales to destroy the Demon Soul. The destruction of the artifact released the ancient power that had been sealed inside for millennia, and allowed the Aspects to defeat Deathwing and force him to retreat. This final battle was known as [[the Battle of Grim Batol]].<ref>''[[Day of the Dragon]]'', "19-21".</ref>
   
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After having his powers restored to him, Malygos regained his sanity and his agents became more active in the world. The blue dragonflight, still recovering from the events that occurred ten thousand years ago, nevertheless continued to safeguard the world from corrupting magic and those who would wield it.
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== ...what? ==
  
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Ok, the Old Gods did NOT create the Burning Legion. Maybe they took advantage of the First Invasion, but that's very different. Also, the Forgotten One that Arthas and Anub'Arak fought hasn't been confirmed as an Old God yet. Most likely it's related in some way to C'thun or one of the other Old Gods, but I doubt it's actually an Old God. Finally, what's all this mishmash about invading Nozdormu's realm? I assume that comes from the alternate timeline in one of those book type things, which I haven't read, and thus can't assurt any amount of authority over. So I'm leaving that in. But I'm taking out the other stuff I mentioned. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 13:50, 16 December 2006 (EST)
  
   
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===The Sunwell===
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The Forgotten one was implied to be an Old God in Lands of Mystery, IIRC.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 13:59, 16 December 2006 (EST)
  
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During the war the fabled [[Sunwell]] had been lost to the [[Elves]] of [[Quel'Thalas]]. Malygos and the blues felt a great flaring of power, coming from [[Lordaeron]]. The Spell-Weaver, with no elders at his disposal, sent the young [[Kalecgos]] to investigate. [[Tyrygosa]], Kalecgos's intended mate, followed soon after, arriving just in time to save Kalecgos from the Scourge. In their company was a strange young woman by the name of [[Anveena Teague]]. On a visit to [[Tarren Mill]] they were joined by the paladin [[Jorad Mace]].<ref>''[[Dragon Hunt]]'', "1".</ref> The four journeyed together, their exploits eventually leading them to Quel'Thalas where after being assaulted by [[Dar'Khan Drathir]] and an enslaved [[Korialstrasz]] they discovered Anveena was the new avatar of the Sunwell. Dar'Khan was defeated and Anveena was left in the care of [[Lor'themar Theron]] and [[Halduron Brightwing]]. Kalecgos, having sworn to look after her, remained in Quel'Thalas as Anveena's guardian.<ref>''[[Ghostlands]]'', "6".</ref>
   
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===Battle at the Dark Portal===
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:Don't be so hasty, Blizzard can still make "the Forgotten One" the sixth Old God, unknown before, or one of the three left alive. Or sixth, unknown before, now dead, Old God. :) Anything is possible until the release of the official lore. --[[User:Sul'jin|Sul&#39;jin]] 06:23, 4 January 2007 (EST)
  
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The Burning Legion survivors of the third war, led by [[Lord Kazzak]] were ultimely able to reopen the [[Dark Portal]]. Once the initial demonic onslaught was subdued, a number of nether dragons attempted to cross into Azeroth, only to be met by a force of blue dragons whom quickly destroyed and prevented all but one in entering. The lone survivor, [[Zzeraku]], was however quickly captured by [[Sintharia]]. Since that time the blue dragons monitor the portal from their sanctum, and nothing crosses in or out without their knowing.<ref>''[[Night of the Dragon]]'', 98.</ref>
   
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::There's also the possibility that it was a "piece" of an Old God - this is a theory I've hard discussed, that the Old Gods were able to leak out pieces of themselves into the mortal realm, physical manifestations of themselves, as it were, but not the Old God himself.
  
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[[File:Bluedragonkin.JPG|thumb|Blue dragonkin in Mazthoril.]]
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The icy caverns of Mazthoril in [[Winterspring]] teem with blue dragonkin under the Matron Protectorate, [[Haleh]], and General [[Colbatann]]. These dragonkin are fierce enemies of the black flight and desire to strike out against its new leaders; [[Nefarian]] and [[Onyxia]]. Recently they have come under attack by Nefarian's dragonriders, coming in the darkness of night, and kidnapping whelps to be used in experiments to create a new chromatic flight.
   
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[[Azuregos]] and his brood of dragonspawn guard the ruins of the ancient night elven city of [[Eldarath]]. The city is rumored to hold many powerful highborne artifacts scattered throughout the ruins. Azuregos will stop at nothing to safeguard these artifacts from falling into mortal hands.<ref name="WoW.com"/>
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::Wait... but that could mean C'Thun was never actually defeated in the first place... *gasp*
  
   
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[[Arygos]], thought to have been lost during the War of the Shifting Sands, was recently found to be alive inside Ahn'Qiraj, as a slave of [[C'Thun]], along with [[Caelestrasz]] and [[Merithra]]. The dark master of Ahn'Qiraj used the tortured dragons to power his new creations: [[Moam]] and the other [[Obsidian destroyer]]s. <ref>{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/raiddungeons/ahnqiraj/moam.html |title="Monsters of Ahn'Qiraj: Moam" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Official World of Warcraft Community Site }}</ref> [[Andorgos]] came to Ahn'Qiraj after sensing his trapped brethren within, but dares not travel into the [[Temple of Ahn'Qiraj|temple]] from fear of falling under the old god's control.
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::~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
   
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== Elementals and the Old Gods ==
  
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As we know, the Elementals are controlled by Old Gods. Each 4 Elementals (fire, water, wind, earth) have only 1 leader, but there are (were) 5 Old Gods, and they were unified. So with only 1 Elemental Lord for each Elemental, each Old Gods must have controlled 1 Elementals only, right?(Do you understand?) Means that 4 Old Gods control 4 Elementals (each Old God control 1, as I said), but that leave 1 poor Old Gods didn't control anything! As unified being, they should destroy each other, and the weak one(that didn't control anything) should have been destroyed by other Old Gods, right? Or could it be that there is 5th Elemental that controlled by this Old Gods? Or each Old God control more than 1 Elemental(If it's true then each Elemental will have more than 1 Elemental Lord, its funny to think Ragnaros has a rival)? Or this Old God is the leader of the Old Gods(well, they're unified)? Or what? --[[User:Malygos|Malygos]] 03:56, 4 January 2007 (EST)
  
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[[Tyrygosa]], princess of the blue flight, has traveled to the shattered realm of [[Outland]] to study the mysterious [[Nether Dragon]]s. The nether dragons are the spawn of Deathwing, who as eggs were exposed to the arcane energies of the [[twisting nether]] when [[Draenor]] was shattered by [[Ner'zhul]]'s portals. Tyrygosa seeks to better understand the rogue nether dragons, under the control of [[Veraku]], and ultimately take control of them and keep their temperament, inherited from their sire, under control.
   
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[[Kalecgos]] had until recently remained guarding Anveena on [[Quel'Danas]]. The return of the Sun King, [[Kael'thas Sunstrider]], fresh from his defeat in [[Tempest Keep]], has brought the Burning Legion to Azeroth, and Kalecgos has been taken as their slave. Malygos has sent [[Madrigosa]] to assist Kalecgos in combating the demonic horde.
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:::They had greater issues to deal with than "who is going to control the elementals now". It didn't matter, they were unified, they had the same purpose, so it didn't really matter. --[[User:Sul'jin|Sul&#39;jin]] 07:34, 4 January 2007 (EST)
  
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[[File:Nexus Dragonspawn.jpg|thumb||[[The Nexus]] dragonkin]]
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Having awoken from the madness that engulfed him, Malygos quickly assessed the state of magical affairs on [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]] and concluded that magic was running amok throughout the world, blaming the mortal races and their reckless pursuit of magical power. Determined to forestall a catastrophe, the blue aspect decreed that the world's unbridled magic must be reined in by any means necessary. Determined to manipulate all existing magic to serve his own purposes, he now seeks to divert Azeroth's ley lines to his own home, the Nexus by the use of giant constructs known as [[Surge needle]]s. The blue dragonflight has been ordered to maneuver the colossal machines into key positions over magical ley line clusters, their work has already begun in [[the Dragonblight]]. Malygos' actions however carry disastrous consequences, splintering the world's crust and opening unstable rifts in the twisting nether. If successful, his tampering could result in an ecological and magical catastrophe that would threaten not only the stability of Northrend, but ultimately the equilibrium of the entire world. The red dragonflight and the Kirin Tor now fight against Malygos in this [[Nexus War]].<ref name="The Nexus"/><ref>{{ref web |url=http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/northrend/dragonblight.xml |title="The Dragonblight" |accessdate=2008-05-14 |format=HTML |work=Wrath Of The Lich King Official Site }}</ref>
   
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In their campaign to rein in the world's unbridled magic, the blue dragonflight has diverted much of the ley lines' magical energy to the [[Azure Dragonshrine]], empowering the flight and altering their appearance. With this power the blue flight has boldly began to launch attacks against [[Wyrmrest Temple]], what was once considered neutral ground. The other flights have formed the [[Wyrmrest Accord]], and fight back to defend the temple against their misguided brethren.
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As the Nexus War has ended, an ambassador of the Blue Dragonflight, [[Kalecgos]], can now be found at the top of the Wyrmrest Temple. He assists players during the [[Quel'Delar]] chain quest.
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::::I feel your basing your statments on asumtions on the WoW univers. First of there has never been stated what can and can not been seen as a Element. Maybe the Light and Shadow powers of the univers are just as much a element of the world.
  
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Ever since the death of the Dragon Aspect Malygos, the blue dragonflight has struggled with appointing a new leader. Its members are torn between [[Kalecgos]] and [[Arygos]], the two likeliest successors. Arygos, a scion of Malygos, believes that his kind should withdraw from the world and forge a new path while Kalecgos champions reconciliation with other races. To end these debates and arguments the flight has agreed to meet during the [[Embrace]], in hopes that one of them will be selected as the new Aspect.<ref>[http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2685003 Patch 4.2 Preview: A Legendary Engagement]</ref>
   
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Meanwhile the black dragonflight has invaded Azshara to hunt down [[Azuregos]]. Azuregos, along with Kalecgos, will help low level Horde players repel the invasion. At the same time, the caverns of Mazthoril has been magically corrupted, creatures from all dimensions have made their way inside and there's no trace of Blue Dragons as a powerful wizard has drawn all of their essences. Matron Haleh has escaped from [[Umbranse the Spiritspeaker|Umbranse]]'s schemes and wants him dead to gain her revenge.
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And life and death most, I think, be seen as magical elements in any case.
  
   
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During the Embrace, at [[Coldarra]], it is revealed that Arygos has allied with [[Deathwing]] to assassinate Kalecgos in order to secure his position as leader of the Blue dragonflight. However his plan is thwarted and revealed to the rest of the flight when [[Tarecgosa]] sacrifices herself to save Kalecgos. With his actions revealed to the rest of his flight Arygos flees the Coldarra calling the flight fools and that Neltharion will destroy them as Kalecgos is chosen to be the flight's new leader.
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Second of to asume that the Old Gods where united or fighting one another is... Well rather big step if you ask me. I mean if they are unified how can we guess how they think? But then agen what do I know...
  
   
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During the Quests and Lore Q&A at [[BlizzCon 2010]], [[Chris Metzen]] confirmed that Kalecgos will the new Aspect of the blue dragonflight.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUek4R-2baA Blizzcon 2010 Quests & Lore Q&A Panel (p4)] (starting at 8:41)</ref>
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And third, Im not sure the Old God can be dissmissed as just evil. I think there fare more complicated.
  
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--[[User:Burgrsch|Burgrsch]] 10:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  
   
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== Deletion ==
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==Known members==
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Discuss deletions, or tag items with the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag.--[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 03:43, 23 January 2007 (EST)
  
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! Name !! Role !! Type !! Condition
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Kalecgos.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Kalec.gif]] [[Kalecgos]]'''
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| Current leader of the [[blue dragonflight]]. Recently became the new Aspect of magic during the [[Embrace]]. Formerly an agent of Malygos and guardian of [[Anveena Teague]].
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| Aspect
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Malygos.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Malygos2.gif]] [[Malygos]]'''
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| Former leader of the blue dragonflight. Blessed by the Titans as the Aspect of magic, and called the Spell-Weaver. Killed by the red dragonflight, ending the [[Nexus War]].
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| Aspect
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>-<font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Gnome Female.gif]] [[Andorgos]]'''
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| Agent which came to Ahn'Qiraj after sensing his trapped brethren within. Found at the entrance to the temple.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Emberwyrm.gif]] [[Arcanagos]]'''
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| Agent who confronted [[Medivh]] at [[Karazhan]], and was burned from within, remains littering the area. Reincarnation is known as [[Nightbane]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="purple">Undead</font>-<font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Gnome Male.gif]] [[Arygos]]'''
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| Son of Malygos. Fought and captured in the War of the Shifting Sands. Atempts to ally with Deathwing following his father's death, but is betrayed by his new allies.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>-<font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Azuregos.gif]] [[Azuregos]]'''
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| Formerly guardian of the ruins of the ancient [[highborne]] city of [[Eldarath]]. Now resides in the spirit world. [[Blue Scepter Shard]] holder.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Balacgos]]'''
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| Son of Malygos. Slain in ancient times by his own creation, a cerulean cube designed to absorb latent magic now known as [[Balacgos's Bane]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Azuregos.gif]][[Image:IconSmall HighElf Female.gif]] [[Cyanigosa]]'''
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| Sent by Malygos to the [[Violet Hold]] of Dalaran under orders to free all prisoners and launch an a full scale invasion of the city.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Ley-Guardian Eregos|Eregos]]'''
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| The Ley-Guardian. Can be found in upper reaches of the Oculus.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall HighElf Female.gif]] [[Haleh]]'''
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| Consort of Malygos. Matron Protectorate of [[Mazthoril]], currently residing at the [[Beryl Egress]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Jarygos]]'''
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| Kirygosa's Mate. Perished prior to the end of the Nexus War.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Kaldrigos]]'''
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| Known as "The Dread Wyrm". [[Blue Streak|Slain]] ages ago by a group of four mortals, presumably [[dwarves]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Human Female.gif]] [[Kirygosa]]'''
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| Daughter of Malygos. Betrayed by Arygos and made prisoner of the Twilight's Hammer for use in their experiments. Escapes and returns to her flight.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Azuregos.gif]][[Image:IconSmall FelDragon.gif]] [[Madrigosa]]'''
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| Dragon sent to [[Quel'Danas]] along with Kalecgos. Flys over the [[Dead Scar]], taunting [[Brutallus]], who later kills her. Reincarnation is known as [[Felmyst]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="purple">Undead</font>-<font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Narygos]]'''
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| Blue dragon whom serves as protector of the Nexus. Informs Arygos and Kalecgos of Thralls arrival and later fights to retake [[Wyrmrest Temple]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall HighElf Male.gif]] [[Nymn]]'''
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| Son of Haleh. Agent found in Everlook sending adventurers ahead to his mother at the Beryl Egress.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall FrostWyrm.gif]] [[Sapphiron]]'''
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| Ancient servant of Malygos. Lair invaded by [[Arthas]] who slew and raised him as a [[Frost wyrm]]. Serves [[Kel'Thuzad]], guarding his inner sanctum in [[Naxxramas]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="purple">Undead</font>-<font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Azuregos.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Human Female.gif]] [[Saragosa]]'''
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| Consort of Malygos. Guardian of Coldarra. Killed when lured into a trap set in motion by her former prisoner Keristrasza.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Sidragos]]'''
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| Sent orders to Goramosh directing him to move all forces under his command to the [[Azure Dragonshrine]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="gray">Unknown</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall Frostbrood.gif]] [[Sindragosa]]'''
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| The Frost Queen, first of the [[Frostbrood]]. Former prime consort of Malygos. Perished in the War of the Ancients, and [[Sindragosa's Fall|remains]] were once found in [[Icecrown]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="purple">Undead</font>-<font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Tarecgosa]]'''
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| Sacrifices herself to save [[Kalecgos]] from [[Arygos]]'s betrayal. Kalecgos saves her life by binding her soul to a [[Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest|staff]]
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Teralygos]]'''
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| Older dragon is is sympathetic to Arygos' stance of isolationism. Often critizes Kalecgos and the other flights but remains loyal regardless.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]][[Image:IconSmall Tyri.gif]] [[Tyrygosa]]'''
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| Kalecgos's intended mate. Assisted restoring the Sunwell's power to the [[Elf|Elves]] of [[Quel'Thalas]]. Found at the [[Celestial Ridge]] studying the [[nether dragon]]s.
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| Dragon
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DragonBlue.gif]] [[Vyragosa]]'''
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| A wandering blue dragon found in the [[Storm Peaks]].
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| Dragon
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakeBlue.gif]] [[Azurous]]'''
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| Drake who patrols around Winterspring.
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| Drake
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakeBlue.gif]] [[Indigos]]'''
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| Drake found in [[Dalaran Crater]] in the [[Hillsbrad Foothills]].
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| Drake
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakeBlue.gif]] [[Manaclaw]]'''
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| Drake that resided inside the caverns of Mazthoril. Killed by [[Umbranse the Spiritspeaker]].
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| Drake
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakeBlue.gif]] [[Scryer]]'''
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| Drake-Champion of the blue dragonflight. Resided inside the caverns of Mazthoril. Killed by Umbranse the Spiritspeaker.
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| Drake
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakeBlue.gif]] [[Spellmaw]]'''
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| Drake who once patroled the area immediately outside Mazthoril. Killed by Umbranse the Spiritspeaker.
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| Drake
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| <font color="red">Deceased</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall WhelpBlue.gif]] [[Awbee]]'''
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| [[Whelp]] abducted to [[Blackrock Spire]] by Nefarian's agents for his chromatic experiments. Once sent adventurers to Haleh in [[Winterspring]].
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| Whelp
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall SpawnBlue.gif]] [[General Cerulean|Cerulean]]'''
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| General of the blue dragonflight forces found in Coldarra.
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| Dragonspawn
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall SpawnBlue.gif]] [[General Colbatann|Colbatann]]'''
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| General and military leader of the blue dragonflight forces on [[Kalimdor]]. Resides in Mazthoril. Staunch enemy of the black dragonflight.
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| Dragonspawn
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall SpawnBlue.gif]] [[Drakos the Interrogator|Drakos]]'''
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| The Interrogator. Winged dragonspawn found in the Oculus.
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| Dragonspawn
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall SpawnBlue.gif]] [[Goramosh]]'''
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| Dragonspawn in charge of the blue dragonflight forces found at the [[Moonrest Gardens]].
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| Dragonspawn
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gif]] [[Warbringer Goredrak|Goredrak]]'''
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| Azure-Lord of the blue dragonflight. Found in Coldarra.
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| Drakonid
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gif]] [[Curator Insivius|Insivius]]'''
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| Curator of the blue dragonflight. Leads the mage hunters in [[Coldrock Quarry]] in digging up sacred [[tuskarr]] artifacts.
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| Drakonid
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall DrakonidBlue.gif]] [[Varos Cloudstrider]]'''
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| Azure-Lord of the blue dragonflight. Can be found in the Oculus.
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| Drakonid
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| <font color="orange">Killable</font>
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|-
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|| '''[[Image:IconSmall BloodElf_Boy.gif]] [[Zakk Sinon]]'''
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| Dragonkin wandering outside Mazthoril in elven child form.
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| Dragonkin
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| <font color="green">Alive</font>
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|}
   
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==In the RPG==
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doesn't it already say that one god was killed in the beginning of the article. why is is being repeated then. [[User:Noman953|Noman953]] 03:46, 23 January 2007
  
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:Thanks for clarifying. Can you add a note at the history screen next time you delete something? xD --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 03:48, 23 January 2007 (EST)
  
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===Culture===
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====Society====
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Malygos is said to have established magic itself and created all the spells that set the sky and earth into motion. While he is not revered as a god, for blue dragons see no godhood in scientific fact, he is considered the greatest scientific mind ever to have existed in the multiverse—or, at least, his flight considers him so. Blue dragons have a natural affinity for spellcasting, and most powers of sorcery are instinct even to young drakes. Because of their natural propensity for magic, they have high magic resistances and can withstand many magical attacks. They are also the masters of frost, their breath weapon can drain enemies' magic energy, an effect the blue dragons term "withdrawing Malygos's favor." Blues find all forms of ice and water welcome, most making their lairs in the frozen peaks of mountains or in caverns near, or under, freezing water.
   
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For the thousands of years between the [[Sundering]] and the destruction of the [[Demon Soul]], blue dragons were all but unheard of, but they have begun to emerge in the world once again. Their traditional home is [[Northrend]], where they remain close to the great Dragonblight, the final resting place of dragons. The blue dragons once communed with the dead there to ensure that each draconic spirit made its way into the Beyond. Northrend lies much in control of the Scourge, but blues still make pilgrimages to the dark northlands, seeking answers hidden among the bones of their dead. The most powerful blue dragon sorcerers claim that the spirits of the dead tell them a new upheaval is on its way, a cataclysm that will outweigh any trouble the world of Azeroth has yet endured. The blue dragons say this often, no matter what disaster the world suffers, so few have given their words much credence this time.<ref name="MoM 31">''[[Manual of Monsters]]'', 31.</ref> More and more dragons however, migrate to the caverns of [[Mazthoril]] in [[Winterspring]] on [[Kalimdor]]. This migration occurs for two main reasons: First, because of the growing concern about another imminent attack on the [[World Tree]]; and second, to retreat from the [[Scourge]], which some dragons see as a threat the dragonflight is not prepared to conquer.<ref name="LoM 114"/>
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== More Old Gods? ==
  
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In TBC, there's a quest in Shadowmoon valley which will have you stop those Dark Conclave guys' summoning ritual. Apparently what they're summoning is using the C'thun's model, and it's a "Summoned Old God". See the links below(Thank Yub on SoL):
  
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[http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1474&page=2] (Scroll down and see)
  
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[http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10808] (The quest) --[[User:Xlandhenry|Xlandhenry]] 03:13, 3 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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Blue dragons are a bit xenophobic, keeping to their territories and maintaining their own studies without interference. They are highly territorial, largely due to their paranoia that any intruder wandering into their lairs are probably agents of the black dragonflight, and won't hesitate to attack if his territory is invaded. Under such circumstances, a blue dragon is as violent and destructive as any black dragon. In previous years, blue dragons even attacked each other over territorial disputes, but such conflicts are unlikely now that so many dragons have adapted to living in groups for protection.<ref name="LoM 114"/><ref name="LoM 115"/>
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:It was a last ditch effort to stop Gul'Dan. The draenei were not the only ones getting killed by the orcs. The Dark Conclave was formed to stop the Hand from being formed... and failed. They now exist in undeath continueing the ritual. This old god being summoned into Outland may have something to do with [[Anzu]].--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 19:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  
   
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In modern days blue dragons are rare and difficult to find, thus their society does not have a rigid hierarchy. Although some great blue dragons remain in the world, they are few and far between, studying their magic almost to the exclusion of all else. All blue dragons serve Malygos with roughly equal standing, although there are some ancient dragons who are considered authority figures simply due to their great knowledge and mastery of magic. In essence, it is a society ruled by the powerful, but in a group of intellectuals such as these any real ranking system would do nothing but cause endless debate. Males and females have equal standing in blue dragon society, although usually it is the female who chooses her mate. With a few exceptions, blue dragons usually take only a single mate, and they are immensely protective of their mates and children. Female blue dragons sometimes stalk and observe a potential mate in a number of different forms to gauge the male’s worth before revealing themselves.
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== Strength ==
  
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How strong are the Old Gods in comparison to the Titans, it is stated that the battle between the Old Gods and the Titans took "eons", and that C'thun himself managed to kill one of the Titans, although the question I would want to see answer the most is, how would Sargeras compare to the Old Gods, a freind of mine says there was a mention about his strength in relation to them in the "war of the ancients" trilogy, and that if all of the remaining old gods returned, that even Sargeras would "beg for death" as my friend put it. [[User:Hordesupporter|Hordesupporter]] 03:08, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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====Studies====
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Hmmm... But C'thun was killed during the second War of the Shifting Sands by Alliance and horde warriors. Forgotten One may be an Old God because of his control over the Faceless Ones and his similiarity to C'thun. He was killed by Undead. So, different sources give different explanation to it. I join to your request to WoWWiki. WoWWiki memebers, please say what do you think about it! (I'm not from English-speaking land, please correct my mistakes in articles that can occur) [[User:Mardook|Mardook]] 12 February 2007
  
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Blue dragons are the undisputed masters of magic, their culture revolving around the study and cataloging of magic and spells, primarily but not exclusively [[arcane magic]]. They focus on advancing in spellcasting ability, and the acquisition of knowledge and greater magical power to the exclusion of almost everything else, but this is not to say they are single minded. Rather, the dragons are extremely loyal, and know that the [[Titan]]s gave their master his domain so that they would use their magic to keep the world safe.<ref name="LoM 114"/> As such, the "proper" use of magic is a matter of great importance to the dragons — while blue dragons are naturally curious about the use of warlock magic and the like, they consider such forms of magic to be perversions of nature. For this reason, [[warlock]]s and [[necromancer]]s are considered enemies of the dragonflight, although the dragons have higher priorities on their hit list — namely every living [[black dragon]]. In their pursuit of magic, blue dragons infiltrate mortal societies in humanoid forms to learn more about how mortals practice spellcasting. While some dragons have engaged in this activity for centuries, it has been widespread only since Malygos's recent recovery from years of insanity.
   
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While the dragons are primarily interested in arcane magic, other forms interest them as well, especially those that do not require the worship of a divine being. For this reason, a number of blue dragons engage in a scholarly study of the [[Light|Holy Light]]. It isn't surprising to find blue dragons in the ranks of many mortal orders: the [[Kirin Tor]], naturally, but also orders dedicated to the Light such as the [[Argent Dawn]] and the [[Knights of the Silver Hand]].
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: In all of the cases mentions (C'Thun killed/imprisoned in the War of the Shifting Sands, Arthas killing the Forgotten One and players killing C'Thun), the Old Gods in question (assuming the Forgotten One is an Old God) were in a regenerative state, having been weakened by some previous conflict, and were just making their way back onto the world stage. It isn't quite clear, then, how strong they would be at full power. However, given the pre-historic lore about the Titans, it's safe to say that the Old Gods gave them a rough time, at the very least. Sargeras is only one Titan, so a plethora of Old Gods might prove difficult for him personally. {{User:Montag/sig}} 09:37, 12 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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In addition to their noted obsession with magic, blue dragons also enjoy researching other subjects. They could be called the academics among dragons; they have begun to serve more and more as the teachers of younger members of other species. While in humanoid form, many dragons also notice the scientific discoveries of other races and take an increasing interest in the development of engineering and similar studies. Blue dragons are scholars and often learn many languages, posing as mortal wizards and even paladins to better study the magical progress of the younger races. Many strive to impress their master, [[Malygos]]. Members of the blue flight value other thinkers such as writers, artist, spellcasters, academic types, and engineers.<ref name="LoM 117">''Lands of Mystery'', 117.</ref> They have associated with the [[elves]] for the centuries, and more recently they study the unique skills of [[dwarven]], [[gnome]], and [[goblin]] engineers.<ref name="LoMWB 2">''Lands of Mystery'' Web Bonuses, 2.</ref> They delight in knowledge and in samples of new crafts.<ref>''Lands of Mystery'', 95.</ref>
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Ok. For example, lore mentions that Titans attacked each single Old God together by combined power ad that just one Old God was completely killed, but it was mentioned that it was killed in face-to-face combat with the Titan. And i have another question. In this article was written that 3 imprisoned Old Gods (presumed Old Gods under the Maelstorm, in Tirisfal Glades and the Forgotten One) I quoting: "corrupted some of the Highborne, and used them to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth" and "invaded Nozdormu's realm and managed to open a rift in time, that, as they had planned, tossed some beings back through time, beings that would change the way the war of the ancients took place, and give Sargeras a new chance to enter the world, and therefore them a new chance to set themselves free. Their plans were although again crushed by the very same Malfurion Stormrage". May be Xavius' (who seems to make first contact to Sargeras before other Highborne in both War of the Ancients timelines) contact to Sargeras was arranged by the Old Gods? And, if the Sargeras' entering to Azeroth was profitable to Old Gods in reason that destruction of Azeroth could return this world into its primitive chaotic state (as it was befor creation of it by the Titans) that could set them free, could Sargeras and the Burning Legion stop or defeat the Old Gods (if they will be setted free they will not be in their weakened state)? Please, answer this questions.
  
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I have edited this article and the article about Old Gods speculations. Thanks to Montag. Check my changings for the number of the gramar errors [[User:Mardook|Mardook]] 12 February 2007
  
   
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Blue [[Dragonspawn]], more often than the dragonspawn of other flights, become proficient arcanists and rise to positions of power and authority within their broods, [[General Colbatann]] of [[Mazthoril]] being a prime example. This is credited to the unusual intelligence and disposition towards magic associated with the blue dragonflight.<ref name="LoM 114"/> Many other dragonspawn are warriors, rogues, hunters, scouts or gladiators. A few dragonspawn priests worship the blue dragonflight or Malygos, contrary to most blue dragon beliefs, but shamans and druids are almost unheard of among the blue dragonflight.<ref name="LoM 116" />
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: I will leave those questions in more formidable hands, mainly [[User:Ragestorm|Ragestorm]]'s -- the head Bookkeeper. My lore skill isn't high enough yet. {{User:Montag/sig}} 18:49, 12 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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====Faith====
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::We know that most, if not all, of the War of the Ancients was orchestrated by the Three. Whether or not they actually organized Sargeras's contact is unknown. Knaak (who appears to be writing under the assumption that there are Three Old Gods in total) suggests that the power of the Old Gods can be defeated with ''relative'' ease by the combined power of all five Aspects, who are extensions of the four most power titans. This would mean that the Pantheon was able to subdue them with ''relative'' ease. [[Krasus]] mentions that "should the Three be unleased, even the Legion's master will be hard-pressed to stop them," implying that Sargeras could theoretically defeat them, but with difficulty. WIth the full force of the Leigon behind him, the battle would probably be made somewhat easier. I don't ever recall a "beg for death" statement. I'm separated from my books at the moment, but I can give citations by next week, if needed
  
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The blue dragonflight’s belief system is scientific; they seek proof of everything, and take little on faith or word of mouth alone. The dragons revere Malygos as a creator of magic, but not as a god; rather, they feel Malygos is simply the greatest scientific mind that has ever existed. Those dragons that know of the Titans respect them as powerful users of magic and as creators, but they consider the Titans good examples and mentors, not divinities to be worshiped. Likewise, the dragons respect the followers of Elune, Cenarius and the other Ancients, but they do not worship these entities.<ref name="LoM 115">''Lands of Mystery'', 115.</ref>
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::A few things I want to make perfectly clear:
 
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*1) there is no documented association between the Old Gods and the Faceless Ones beyond the Forgotten One, which leads me to
 
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*2) to my eyes, the Forgotten One resembles C'Thun about as much as a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human human]] resembles a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howler_monkey Howler Monkey]]. I do not accept this as viable evidence to suggest that the Forgotten One is an Old God.
 
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*3) not as loud, but a minor note: the number of the Old Gods is unclear- though most sources put it at five, Knaak says three. This is taken to mean that three continue working together, one is C'Thun, and one is dead. It is also mentioned (though I have not heard the dialog myself) that one of the Three, or else the dead one, is behind the Nghtmare.
 
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::Did that answer your question?-_[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 15:11, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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::: Do you think the Forgotten One is somehow related to the Old Gods, then? Perhaps, a baby Old God, or one of their race that never reached the same strength as the more powerful Old Gods? {{User:Montag/sig}} 16:06, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
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The blue dragonflight is focused on the pursuit of ever greater power and knowledge. This doesn't make them completely egocentric; the dragons share what they learn to help others of their kind as well as the world in general. Many blue dragons strive to impress their master, Malygos, with their knowledge of magic, or invent new spells or magic items. Members of the blue dragonflight value other thinkers, including spellcasters, engineers, writers, artists and general academic types. If a mortal shows a blue dragon a spell he has never seen, they earn that dragon’s respect. If they teach the dragon that spell, the mortal likely gains the dragon's gratitude for a lifetime — and blues live a very long time. Generally, members of the blue dragonflight consider adventurers in general to be kindred spirits, but they highly favor those who are clever, inventive and powerful.<ref name="LoM 117"/>
   
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::::It's possible, I admit that, but my point was that the evidence everyone uses is just not viable- the entire association between the Old Gods, Hakkar, and the Faceless is based on one person squinting at the Forgotten and C'Thun.
 
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While blue dragons are slowly growing in numbers again, they lack the power to take on the children of Deathwing, such as Onyxia and Nefarion, directly. As such, the blues entrust favored mortals with the task of fighting against these powerful black dragons, and reward their mortal allies with magical secrets and objects of power in return for risking their lives to aid the dragonflight. Generally, the blue dragonflight likes the mortal races, especially those that practice arcane magic, but there are a few exceptions. Most blue dragons dislike goblins, since many goblins serve the black dragonflight, and it was a group of goblins that outfitted Deathwing with the adamantine armor attached to his scales. Also, blue dragons are wary of orcs, due to their role in enslaving the [[red dragonflight]] in recent years. Relations between the blue dragonflight and the other dragonflights have dramatically improved since the fall of Deathwing at Grim Batol; many of the other dragons felt that the blues abandoned them after the construction of the World Tree; but now red, bronze and blue dragons guard Nordrassil together once again.<ref name="LoM 117"/> Now, it should be noted however that several Blues are somewhat bitter after the events of the [[Nexus War]].
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::::: I would agrue that the Old Gods are not actually gods in the Elune sense, but more godlike beings in the Titan sense, since they have physical form, can be killed, captured, or controlled (theoretically). {{User:Montag/sig}} 16:37, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
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Blue dragons are some of the foremost arcane spellcasters on Azeroth. As such, some are concerned that the demons' taint may touch and corrupt the dragonflight. These concerns are unfounded; blue dragons, blue wyrmkin, and the rest of the dragonflight are immune to arcane corruption — though no one yet understands why. Perhaps they have mastered magic to such an extent that they surpassed the danger. If this is true, perhaps arcanists of other races can achieve similar transcendence.<ref name="LoM 117"/>
   
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===History===
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:The Warcraft Encyclopedia implies that C'Thun (and by extension, the rest) is a true god, as is Hakkar. By "implies" I mean that articles are not up yet.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 16:41, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
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For thousands of years, Malygos' children prospered and experimented with the eldritch powers of the universe, unrivaled in their mastery of arcane power.<ref name="LoM 115"/> The blue dragons were numerous and co-existed peacefully with the other dragonflights, working together to safeguard their world. But this age would not last forever.<ref name="MG 39">''[[Monster Guide]]'', 39.</ref>
   
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At the hour of Deathwing's betrayal, Malygos narrowly managed to raise a protective spell fast enough to survive, and only a handful of others reached the safety of his barrier in time. As the other dragons turned to act, Neltharion retreated, leaving the blue dragonflight broken in his wake.<ref name="LoM 116"/>
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Sargeras would be "hard-pressed"? My freind made the "beg for death" comment after reading the book, he might of misinterpeted Krasus's comment. We really have a difficult time comparing the strength of the old gods to the titans, we know C'thun managed to defeat a titan, although we have never been told whether this was a weak titan or strong titan (by titan standards), C'thun is implied to be in a weakened state but exactly how much of his full power he an use is unknown, presumably if he was at full power he would be stronger then almost all demons, but maybe not Sargeras. [[User:Hordesupporter|Hordesupporter]] 19:34, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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After having nearly wiped out the flight, the black dragons were not ready to leave the last few blues in peace. The survivors of the blue flight had fled to [[Northrend]], when Deathwing attacked, slaughtering them by the dozens. The survivors fought back but were no match for Deathwing's ferocity. In the process their homes were destroyed and the land so damaged it could never recover. The area became the [[Dragonblight]].<ref name="LoM 96">''Lands of Mystery'', 96.</ref> Over what is now [[Crystalsong Forest]] another battle between the blacks and blues was waged. The dying blues released their magic and it sprinkled down to cover the landscape. Finally a elder blue wyrm, beset by many blacks, released a spell to turn his attackers into stone, but the magic blanketing the area amplified the spell and crystallized the landscape.<ref>''Lands of Mystery, 97.</ref>
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:It's an underlying lack of information about just how powerful they are in comparison. Like I said, I can get a citation on Sargeras next week. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 21:55, 13 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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Blue Dragons were rarely seen, and most of the survivors had gone into hiding from the blacks.<ref name="LoM 96"/> For thousands of years, none but a few of the most ancient dragons knew of Malygos's whereabouts, and much of his dragonflight hid in solitude, realizing their fight against Deathwing was doomed without their leader.<ref name="LoM 116"/>
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"They corrupted some of the Highborne, and used them to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth. Many of the Highborne were transformed into the Naga, who serve the Old Gods still." What does it mean? [[User:Mardook|Mardook]]
  
   
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Following Deathwing's retreat at the Battle of Grim Batol, the black dragonflight became less organized, allowing the blues the chance to strike back against the murderous dragons who hunted them for millennia. [[General Cobaltann]], one of the eldest and most powerful of the blue dragonspawn, organized an army to protect all creatures against the threat of the black dragonflight hoping it would grow strong enough to obliterate the black dragonflight.<ref name="LoM 116"/> Since the blue dragonflight was so long secluded from the affairs of mortals, most were pleasantly surprised at the progress humans and high elves had made. Their pride in the accomplishments of these races allowed them to justify taking humanoid form to trade secrets with the mortals.
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: The Burning Legion is attracted to magic use on a high scale. Thus, in order to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth to deal with the dragon aspects, the Old Gods corrupted some Highborne so they would use a lot of magic and get the Burning Legion's attention. As the Highborne tried to summon Sargeras into the world, the Well of Eternity exploded, sending many to the bottom of the ocean. There, they were transformed into Naga (presumably by an Old God, though never explicity), and some still serve the Old God(s). {{User:Montag/sig}} 09:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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Following the [[Battle of Mount Hyjal]], blue dragons were stationed at [[Hyjal Summit]], where they, along with the reds, greens, and bronzes, guarded the World Tree from another attack by the remnants of the Burning Legion in [[Darkwhisper Gorge]].<ref>''Lands of Mystery'', 17.</ref><ref>''Dark Factions'', 146.</ref> They also kept an eye on the [[demons]] from the caverns of [[Mazthoril]] in [[Winterspring]]. The blues are concerned the demons there would eventually launch another attack against [[Mount Hyjal]] and the dragons stationed there.<ref name="LoM 124">''Lands of Mystery'', 124.</ref>
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::: Right, although that is the implication of the sentence. {{User:Montag/sig}} 15:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  
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::Old God's having transformed them into naga is explicitly said by the author and also repeated in RPG books if i recall, but could be wrong about that part. --<span style="background-color: #111; border-left: 1px #444 solid; border-right: 1px #444 solid; padding: 0 0.2em;">[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte" style="color: #C0C; font-weight: bold;">Zeal</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk" style="color: #C0C;">talk</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions" style="color: #C0C;">contr</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website" style="color: #C0C;">web</span>]</span> 21:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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:Er.. where is that quote even from? :S Don't recall seeing it, and it's new info to me.. so i'm in disbeleif atm. --<span style="background-color: #111; border-left: 1px #444 solid; border-right: 1px #444 solid; padding: 0 0.2em;">[[User:Zeal|<span title="Zeal Vurte" style="color: #C0C; font-weight: bold;">Zeal</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[[User talk:Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Talk" style="color: #C0C;">talk</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[[Special:Contributions/Zeal|<span title="Zeal's Contributions" style="color: #C0C;">contr</span>]]</span><span style="padding: 0 0.3em; background-color: #222; border-right: 1px #444 solid; font-size: 0.85em;">[http://www.zealvurte.co.uk <span title="Zeal's Website" style="color: #C0C;">web</span>]</span> 21:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
  
   
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So wait, if there are 5 Old Gods, and 1 is dead, so that becomes four. C'thun became "free" so that leaves 3 imprisoned. But there are 4 Old God leutenets(ignore my horrible spelling) and none seem to be the same element as C'thun(which element he is, I don't know)This leaves 1 of the leutenets with no Old God to serve. So does the Warcraft World has 5 elements??? EvilSniper
  
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Wilds. There aren't actually elemental beings representing Wilds, which is analogous to life, nature, and soul. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 23:21, 5 March 2007 (EST)
  
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What element would C'thun be then? Wilds? Or Earth? Those two seem the most likely... Wait, do the Old Gods have to be connected to the elements at all? [[User:EvilSniper]] 22:06, March 12 2007
  
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In [[The War of the Ancients]], Krasus says that if anyone has a chance to stand up against the Old Gods, it would be the Dragon Aspects, thus the reason the old gods divided them. However, from what I have read, it seems that one Old God is more powerful than one Titan. If the Titans gave only part of their power to the Dragon Aspects, they must be weaker than the Titans. How could the five aspects have any chance against the three Old Gods? [[User:EvilSniper]] 7:55, May 24, 2007
  
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:The fve aspects would have no chance, no chance at all. The Three would destroy them with nothing but a distracted flicker of thought. According to the Sundering (War of the Ancients trilogy) they "ruled over a bloody chaos of which even the lords of the burning legion could not imagine", and that they sought to create "the key that would open the gates of their prison [the demon soul]... and if that happened, even Sargeras would find himself pleading for the peace of death." From passages such as this, we can ascertain that should the Old Gods return, a single titan would be destroyed in an instant... if the Old Gods did not keep him around for their personal pleasure of torturing him.
  
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~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
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[[User:Master3 | Master3]] 14:38 Aug 10 2007
  
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I have a question. You guys are mostly talking of the old god's strength combined. "The Three would destroy them with nothing but a distracted flicker of thought." So, what is one old god's strength comparitavly to people like the Pantheon titans, regular titans, etc.?[[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Top Gun
  
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One for one the old gods are more powerful than any one of the weaker titans. But compared to Sargeras or the High Father of the Pantheon, one of the more powerful titans, the titans power might prove superior.
 
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*The old gods, like the titans, might overestimate their power. They might genarally belief that they are invincible even though they are defeated by the titans. It did not really took an 'army' of titans to imprison the old god.
 
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*Remember Sargeras is the 'Champion' of the titans. He can very well be the mightiest of them. The old gods had underestimated his powers.
 
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*The dragon mage, Krasus comment in the War of the Ancient Trilogy is his own point of view. He had overestimated the Aspects and the Old Gods powers. Remember he had not battle Sargeras one on one. He did not even have sources on his powers. This is evident one the following comments:
  
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1.) ' Combined, surely all five of the aspects represented a force capable of DEFEATING the elder beings.'-The Sundering Pg 157.
 
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The Demon Soul had the enchantment of the Old Gods indirectly it seems. The combined power of the Demon Soul cannot hurt Sargeras. By using simple logic, it can be concluded that Sargeras is stronger than a old God even two or three of them.
  
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As mention in the Titans page each titans have a sphere of power. Sargeras's sphere might be Sheer power since vivid accounts are given of how powerful he is. Thats why he is more powerful than the Old Gods.
 
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This is such a confusing subject. I think that there should be one solid answer for what the Old Gods can and cant do. Even in the War of the Ancients Trilogy, Knaack seems to be jumping around with how strong they are. Maybe it was like as someone mentioned earlier that Sargeras, Krasus, and the Old Gods were either under- or over-estimating their own and the others powers so we don't know for certain what each can do. But one example of the jumping around is where it's mentioned (I believe by Sargeras) that if he came into Kalimdor that not all the dragons in the world would be able to stop him. Then Krasus mentions that the combined might of the Aspects should be enough to defeat the Old Gods. Then there are the comments used before by other people like Peregrine that Sargeras was nothing compared to the Old Gods. I think my brain's about to explode trying to sort this out. [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 23:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  
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:The problem isn't that Knaak can't decide how strong they are, it's that the characters don't know how strong they are. All of them are using what little information they have to try and make a decision. Sargeras is likely over-confident and arrogant when he claims the Aspects could not defeat him. Similarly, Krasus may be overestimating his race's power when he says the Aspects could defeat the Old Gods. Other characters know different amounts about the Aspects and the Old Gods and come to different conclusions accordingly. Until we get a definitive statement of their power from someone who's in a position to know, we can't make one solid answer about what they can and cannot do. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 10:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
  
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::Still, the Old Gods must have been a mighty power indeed, to contend with the likes of the Titans, and to pose enough of a threat to create a vast war. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine]] 04:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  
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: I think what Krasus meant about the aspects being able to defeat the old gods, is that they would be able to stop the old gods plans before they could free themselves. Just my opinion though. [[User:JarHed|JarHed]] ([[User talk:JarHed|talk]]) 20:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
  
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: Remmeber, Krasus himself says that if the old gods break free (i.e. break lose in their real physical forms, unlike C'Thun's or maybe even Yogg-Saron's weakened forms "Sargeras would find himself begging for death." This shows unequivacally that the old gods are stronger than Sargeras. Krasus's comment about the Aspects being a match for the old gods is prefaced with the word 'surely.' "United surely, they were a match for the dread elders." This strikes me as more wishful thinking than any real faith in the validity of his statement.--Darkling235 12:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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::And where did you see this quote? Because someone (i think it was Ragestorm) showed that Krasus never said that. What he had said was that Sargeras would be hard-pressed to defeat them, meaning he could defeat them. All three. At the same time. At full power. Therefore, he is more powerful than them. I believe that what Krasus meant is that the Dragon Aspects, all five of them together, would be able to defeat each Old God alone. The way I see it, Sargeras is more powerful than all of them, and the Dragon Aspects could team up and pick the Old Gods of one at a time. The Old Gods knew this, and that's why they corrupted Deathwing and possibly Malygos, so that the Dragon Aspects would not be at full power and could not defeat them. {{unsigned|Sheffi}}
  
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So there are currently TWO Old gods still alive, after you Raid and Slaughter C'thun for his Epics! 4 Gods before Arthas, 3 Gods after Arthas, 2 Gods after AQ Opened <small>—The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Shiniki}}.</small>
  
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# I agree with the fact that the forgotten one might be only part of cthun (Maybe it is only its toe unless the old gods have genders then it will be a he/she) --[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] 08:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  
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:So? What if the Forgotten One was an Old God? That doesn't mean four were alive before, it means only one is alive now. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|Peregrine - Master Chief FTW!]] 15:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  
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Assuming the book is canon this probably resolves that debate that in their "natural form" (unlike C'thun or maybe the forgotten one), a form the old gods still believe they can recover, the old gods are far more powerful than the Titans, especially since Sargeras before his fall was considered one of their greatest warriors.
  
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:Even gods are not above overconfedance?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 00:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Just because they're omnipotent doesn't mean they're omniscient. It's quite a difference. [[User:Pzychotix|Pzychotix]] 02:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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Lets not forget that C'thun can be killed by 40 men, HOWEVER lets not also forget that he was stricken down and that he is on his last thread from death mustering all his life, He is basically like your old folks who are sitting there in there hospital bed...But following all that the Old Gods have...C'thun was overcome by the Titan who "Killed" him only due to the fact that a level 70 Warrior can infact go down by 15+ level 60 Players...Or after a gate is rammed so much it finally breaks...But lets look at all the things the Old Gods have, Neptulon, Ragnaros...Billions of Elemental Servants...Neptulons Krakens...The Naga...Azshara...
 
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Basically Neptulon is supposed to be very powerful, Same with Azshara...The Numbers at the Old Gods command and infact there own power are far more then we may realize, If one Titan could kill C'thun then thats basically just thwarting the entire war off! Go send 5 Titans and be done with it all...The War was freakin Huge!
 
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And I personally doubt that they planned to "Swat" Sergeras like a fly, Knowing that he is corrupted and was once a very powerful titan...The Old Gods would probably use him, As they tried to use him to break there chains during Azshara's fall via Illidan, He would probably appear in the Elemental Plane...Get mad...Break out somehow or strike a deal with the Old Gods...The Old Gods are cunning and scheming and dont really use brute force...
  
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But seeing that everything that they have is far more then we realize...Millions of Faceless Ones if not billions, Naga, Twilight Hammer Cultist, Dark Iron Dwarves, Elemental Servants, Trillions of Sentient Insectoids, "Creatures" Of the Deep...
  
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Well, this doesn't really have to do with the old god's strength, but you gotta remember that when Ragnaros was summoned Shiniki, that his power was greatly depleted, and it is most likely that he's more powerful than the windlord at his full strength. The book im getting this from says that Therazane isn't "far more powerful", only a little bit. [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 01:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Top Gun
  
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Sargeras would probably win. Look at what he got:
  
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* Infifnite amount Demon called the Burning Legion that was tested against COUNTLESS worlds?
  
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* Kil'jeaden, the ever sceming one?
  
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* Sargeras himself, Destroyer of the Worlds, Enermy of all Life, Dark Titan !
  
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Sargeras is the champion of the Titans he probably can defeat the Old Gods. And of the Old God really was that powerful and had BILLIONS of minions why not go to conquer other worlds like what Sargeras did?
  
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And INFINITE is a lot lot lot more than simply BILLION. -- <small>—The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Tohjohn}}.</small>
  
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== "Kathune" deleted? ==
  
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Double you tee eff, why was it deleted?
  
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~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
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:"Kathune" is "C'Thun" spelled phonetically, not a separate entity. -[[User:Egrem | Egrem]]--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 23:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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How do you know this?
  
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~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
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:How do you know that it's a new entity? Secondly, that info isn't released except through WoW Model Viewer, and it's datamined info. [[User:Pzychotix|Pzychotix]] 23:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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I don't know that it's a new entity, but we don't know that its not either. Should I maybe post that on [[Old Gods speculation]] instead of [[Old Gods]]?]
  
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~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
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:At the very least, it's a name that's found through datamined methods. Please keep that in mind when posting about stuff you find while you scour the files for information. It's the same reason why Zul'Aman isn't filled with all the info and speculation we find in there. <small>—[[User:Pzychotix|'''Pzychotix''']] <small>([[User talk:Pzychotix|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Pzychotix|contr]])</small></small> 13:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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== Old God in Northrend ==
  
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http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/04/blizzcon-day-2-wow-lore-and-quests-panel-liveblog/
  
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From the Lore and Quests Panel at BlizzCon:
  
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"One of our jobs as adventurers is to explore Ajol;Nerub to see what is there. We will find something bigger and ancient and... ok it's obviously one of the old gods. Ok, we've already let that out of the bag. (laughter)"
  
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This suggests that the [[Forgotten One]] fought by Arthas and Anub'arak was probably an Old God after all. [[User:Egrem|Egrem]]
  
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:Yeah, I don't think there's been much doubt about that for a while now. :P I hope we get to fight more than a C'thun clone though. I wonder if the "new" old god will be given a weird name like C'thun or will he just be "The Forgotten One". -- [[User:Raze|Raze]] 01:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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I heard people also using the plural term when speaking of the old gods coming out in the expansion. So, if the forgotten one is to be the old god in Northrend, what of the other one('s)? There have been rumors that the large space on the left side of Tirisfal Glades was actually going to be an instance that led to another old god. [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 01:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun
  
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:So far there's been absolutely no hint or suggestion of anything other than the one in Azjol'Nerub. Doesn't look like there'll be others, but hopefully we'll learn more about the other Old Gods in there somewhere. (If Blizzard decides to put some actual story into it!) -- [[User:Raze|Raze]] 02:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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I remember seeing or hearing about how there might be an old god in Tirisfal, but here's what I found: It is possible that one of the imprisoned Old Gods is located beneath the Tirisfal Glades. When the high elves first landed on the Lordaeron continent, they encountered a strange force.
  
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''Forging inland, the high elves founded a settlement within the tranquil Tirisfal Glades. After a few years, many of them began to go mad. It was theorized that something evil slept beneath that particular part of the world, but the rumors were never proven to be true.''
  
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Whould you call this a hint or just some creepy thing put down? [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 02:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun
  
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:Depends whether or not that line comes from an official source. Some to think of it I may have read something similar to that, though it could have been fan-made. -- [[User:Raze|Raze]] 04:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:: The quote is indeed official. See [[Tirisfal Grove]]. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 17:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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Then I just guess it's up to Blizzard to implement it or not into the game. [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::Dangnabit, if Blizzard doesn't go through with The Forgotten One being an Old God by wonderful [[User:Peregrine2976/Fanfiction/The Fall of Azjol'Nerub|fanfiction]] will be a retcon... blast! *shakes fist* ~[[User:Peregrine2976|Peregrine Faithbearer]] 01:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::The Qiraji revere C'thun (and perhaps all his kind) but how do their separated Nerubian cousins feel? It has never been stated, but they seem less like an army bent on wipeing everything out to me.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 02:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Just thought i'd say, theres an old god in Northrend, by the name of Yogg-saron, responsible for the corruption of [[Ursoc]] and the failing of the world tree [[Vordrassil]]. Revealed through a quest line in the Grizzly Hills. [[User:Rinion87|Rinion87]] 28 July 2008
  
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I recognized the eye stalks in [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/imageviewer.html?/info/underdev/1p11/,images/,11,18,http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p11/roadtodamnation.html?rhtml=y this screenshot]. I found they are mentioned in the [[Heigan the Unclean]] article, but couldn't find anything else. I recognized them because they look a lot like [http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Oldgod2.jpg these]. I'm not familiar with [[Naxxramas]], so are these related to the Old Gods somehow? [[User:Retodon8|Retodon8]] ([[User talk:Retodon8|talk]]) 23:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Same model, but probably not related. They were in there in the old version of Naxxramas as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 05:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Those could just be [[eye stalk]] creatures that aren't attached to anything larger. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 05:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Anzu ==
  
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Can someone who did the druid swift flight form quest chain confirm that Anzu the Raven God has something to do with the Nightmare? A lot of dialog is said in in-game events, not is citeable quest text. From what I gather, the chain involves hunting what sent a raven spirit to attack the druids in Moonglade.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  
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:There's nothing much at all about it from NPC dialogue, it's all in the quest chains. Pretty much, Anzu is refered with similar descriptions and titles as Old Godes and you discover he is the one that caused the Nightmare. You eventually kill him with the implication the Nightmare ending. Something not many people realize, pretty much eliminates most Emerald Dream ideas. I've poked Baggins to flesh out the Anzu and Nightmare and ED pages with the info before, but it's not been done yet. All the relevant quest info is however floating around on WW already. --&nbsp;<ul style="font-size: 0.85em; margin: 0; padding: 0; list-style: none; list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap"><li style="display: inline;"><imagelink>http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_zeal.png|User:Zeal</imagelink></li><li style="display: inline;"><imagelink>http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_talk.png|User talk:Zeal</imagelink></li><li style="display: inline;"><imagelink>http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_contribs.png|Special:Contributions/Zeal</imagelink></li><li style="display: inline;"><imagelink>http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/sig-av/wiki_end.png|User:Zeal</imagelink></li></ul>&nbsp; 23:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  
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:i dont remeber that questline stating anything about anzu being the cause of the nnightmare, from what i can think of or he was of, the nightmare paws, he was corrupted by the nightmare. also what the heck is a self proclaimed raven god from the outlands doing on the emerald dream of azeroth.{{Unsigned|Ashbear160}}
  
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== Are the Old Gods really "that" evil? ==
  
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:''Non-editorial Discussion moved to [[Talk:Old Gods/Analysis]]. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 04:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)''
  
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== Any Idea on Their Prison? ==
  
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This question just occured to me and now I'm really curious. Does it say anywhere what the Old God's prison is? I know they were super weakened, but what would be able to hold them? Surely they would have at least gained some strength back after so many millenia of waiting. Maybe this is just one of those questions that we'll never know, but if anyone has any ideas, speculations, proof, or thoughts on this I would appreciate hearing them. [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 22:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  
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:My personal speculation is that they are either contained within the depths of Uldum, or they are held in some sort of inter-dimensional plane locked beneath the earth. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine]] 03:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  
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Same, Perhaps that there are portals to the inter-dimensional plane that the Titan's used to lock them away, then sealed the Portal into a backwards fortress filled with guards and other things to keep the portal supressed? --[[User:Shiniki|Shiniki]] 22:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  
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==Interest in Other Worlds ==
  
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Well I have seen many people here claiming the Old Gods had no interest in any world aside from Azeroth. However, to quote A'Dal:
  
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''One in partiucular, a servant of the Old Gods known as Harbinger Skyriss, seeks to usher in his masters' vision of '''conquering all of the worlds in the universe'''.''
  
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Proof that the Old Gods did, indeed, pose a threat to all of existence. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine]] 18:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  
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==Old Gods' allies==
  
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No section on allies of Old Gods? &nbsp;[[User:Rolandius|<span style="" title="x20px">{{#if:Rolandius|Rolandius|Rolandius}}</span>]]&nbsp;{{#if:Wc3Knight.gif|[[Image:Wc3Knight.gif|16x16px|x20px]]&nbsp;}}<small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span style="" title="{{#if:Rolandius|Rolandius|Rolandius}}'s Talk">talk</span>]]&nbsp;-&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span style="" title="{{#if:Rolandius|Rolandius|Rolandius}}'s Contributions">contr</span>]]{{#if:|&nbsp;-&nbsp;[ <span style="" title="{{#if:Rolandius|Rolandius|Rolandius}}'s Website">web</span>]}})</small> 05:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
  
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==Curse of flesh and the ley lines?==
  
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Seeing as how the old gods are the driving force behind Azeroth remaining alive, is it perhaps possible that they are responsible for the ley lines on the planet? Just a thought but what if it were a path for them to communicate with each other? Seeing as how the ley lines are powerful, I don't think this could rule anything out considering the titans and old gods were the only beings we know of powerful enough to make such a thing -Ibage 10/12/08
  
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:It depends on whether the Old Gods ever got to other worlds. We know there must also be ley lines on Outland, because of the moonwells there and the sacred places for orcish shamans. So either the Old Gods must also have created them, or they were caused by a different power. [[User:Jormungand01|Jormungand01]] ([[User talk:Jormungand01|talk]])
  
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::As an added note, Ner'Zhul did go to the Black Temple to open new rifts in Beyond the Dark Portal because it was the largest nearby intersection of Ley Lines. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine]] 16:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Inconsistency? ==
  
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In the article, it is written that ''"...at first. This does raise some lore inconsistencies as the Titans are said to have come to this world and found the presence of the Old Gods"'' which is presumably a response to this tribunal quote: ''"Accessing. In the early stages of its development cycle Azeroth suffered infection by parasitic, necrophotic symbiotes."'' But the tribunal later explains that ''"Creators arrived to extirpate symbiotic infection. Assessment revealed that Old God infestation had grown malignant."'' If one interprets "early development cycle" as prehistoric/pre-Titan Azeroth, it potentially resolves this inconsitency doesn't it? The planet was fully formed and developed to some extent (Life existed for instance) but the Titans had not been involved yet, therefore (from a Titan perspective) not fully developed. Since the Old Gods are mentioned to be older than the world, it makes some sense they arrived to Azeroth shortly after formation and by the time the Titans arrived, they were able to fully entrench themselves, thus making the "infection" malignant. This can be backed by the third quote I wrote which clearly states that the Titans came after the "infection" occured. Perhaps make a small note in the article regarding the inconsistency or just remove that bit? --[[User:Neakal|Neakal]] ([[User talk:Neakal|talk]]) 23:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I agree, when I first saw what the tribunal said I basically came to the same conclusion as you. I didn't even realize that it could be even interpreted to mean that the titans were first. --[[User:JarHed|JarHed]] ([[User talk:JarHed|talk]]) 17:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
  
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::While I may agree with you, please see the thread [[Talk:Earthen_of_Ulduar#Immune_to_Curse_of_Flesh.3F|here]] to see why that was added.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 00:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Old Gods size and true forms ==
  
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If we imagine Azeroth as the Earth, having a Crust where the continents are formed, and an outer mantle, where magma flows, my theory could explain how big an Old God could be, how bound to the planet they are, and what would happen if they're destroyed.
  
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Imagine each of them as a huge organic mass of continental size with ramifications in both surface (the visible parts we fought and "killed" or going to fight) and in the depths of Azeroth, to its core. They grew up from, lets say, parasitic spores or cells that came from another place, and multiplicated themselves infecting the planet to a level that couldn't be excised without destroying it.
  
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This picture below could help you understand my theory:
  
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[[Image:OldGodAzeroth.jpg | The red squares are the locations where physical forms of the Old Gods can/might be seen]]
  
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[[User:Orisai|Orisai]] ([[User talk:Orisai|talk]]) 06:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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Ehhhh.... C'thun is dead. [[User:Pudim17|Pudim17]] ([[User talk:Pudim17|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Pudim17|contr]]) 16:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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Dead seems to be his official status at the moment, but "dead" doesn't mean the same as "excised". Just because his body has been killed doesn't mean that it's been removed from the crust. If an Old God grew that big then it would be impossible to get rid of the body without uprooting an entire continent. And the size also means it would take a very long time to decompose, perhaps thousands of years. So we can presume that C'Thuns body is still underneath southern Kalimdor somewhere. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 17:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Assuming C'thun's body really is that big, of course, which is still largely speculation at this point. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Well Yogg-Saron's certainly is. And we can expect all the Old Gods to have roughly the same biology. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 07:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::I am not sure how big they are but the size of a continent? Wouldn't they be able to attack in hundreds of places instead of just a few above each area they lived? Some people think Hakkar is an Old God or related to them. He is big but not the size of a continent. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 10:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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::::It's already been shown that Old Gods prefer to corrupt others rather than do any fighting themselves. The only example I can think of of one attacking when it's not a last resort is Yogg-Saron against Arthas and Anub'arak. But despite this we can still work out that Yoggie must be continent-sized because the roots of Vordrassil grew into his lair, and he is also probably going to be a boss in Ulduar. Then there are his whispers in Icecrown and Howling Fjord. The only other alternative is that he's simply got a continent-sized lair.
 
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::::Hakkar may or may not be an Old God, and he certainly hasn't been confirmed as one. It is more likely that he is simply the most powerful of the troll Loa gods, with whom he shares many similarities. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 16:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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:You have arrived at the "This is not a forum" message. You know the drill.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 17:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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I was wondering when someone would say that. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Still, a truly fascinating theory... ~[[User:Peregrine2976|My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine]] 16:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  
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::It is an interesting theory I agree, but you always hear about how the titans ''imprisoned'' the old gods deep underground. How would you imprison something that big? Apparently the Prison of Yogg-Saron in Ulduar is just a big room with huge chains that have been broken and has a hole in the floor (where presumably he escaped.) Regardless, I am still curious as to what part of C'thun and Yogg-Saron you see when you fight them. What's underground that you can't see?[[User:Tazmantdr|Tazmantdr]] ([[User talk:Tazmantdr|talk]]) 21:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I'm sorry, but ''what'' exactly gives you the impression that the Old Gods are anywhere near that big?--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 00:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Yogg-Saron being present all over Northrend. We fight part of him in Ulduar. His lair extends to underneath Vordrassil. Whispers can be found in both Whisper Gulch and the Ymirheim Saronite Mines. It's possible that the Forgotten One encountered by Arthas was another manifestation of him. Not to mention that saronite ore, which is believed to come from him, is found in every zone in Northrend. If one Old God is that big then it's probable that so are the others. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 09:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Exactly. By that logic, the Lich King is the size of Northrend and Lordaeron combined. As for the saronite, it's possible that Yogg-saron's psychic influence triggered the material's creation without him actually being present, though I suppose that's stretching it. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 16:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Explain Vordrassil then. Its roots penetrated into his lair. Therefore the lair must cover the distance from Ulduar to Grizzly Hills, and so it's logical to assume that so does Yogg-Saron himself. {{User:Jormungand01/sig}} 16:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::::I can't back this up with any soild info, but Vordrassil's roots may be long and go north, while the Saronite veins may be huge and go south (both the nodes and the [[Wintergarde Mine]] show that.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 18:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Illidan ==
  
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where does it say that Illidan had anything to do with the old gods? If nothing then i think that the link to Illidan in the See Also part of the article should be removed. --[[Image:{{#switch:{{lc:DrakonidBlue}}|unknown=INV_Misc_QuestionMark.png{{!}}18px|<!--felguard=Spell_Shadow_SummonFelGuard.png{{!}}18px|-->|infernal=Spell_Shadow_SummonInfernal.png{{!}}18px|rocket=Ability_Mount_RocketMount.png{{!}}18px|#default=Icon{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{#ifeq:{{lc:Small}}|large|large|small}}}}|large|Large|Small}} DrakonidBlue{{#switch:{{lc:Small}}|f|female=_Female|m|male=_Male|small=|large=|Small}}.gif}}]][[User:Maelstrong|Maelstrong]] 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Illidan, along with his brother Malfurion, stopped "The Three" from escaping during the Sundering.
  
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:Illidan then called to the nagas (and Azshara) who themselves work for the Old Gods since they chosed to "sell their souls" to survive the Sundering.
  
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:[[User:A&#39;noob|Loremaster A&#39;noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan]] ([[User talk:A&#39;noob|talk]]) 21:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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::We might need to remove it anyway, unless you want to add Furion, Tyrande, Krasus and Deathwing to the See Also list. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 23:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::To be fair, they stopped the Old Gods indirectly; what they were actually trying to stop were the Burning Legion. The Old Gods just happened to be using the Legion's portal to try to escape. And even then, only Malfurion even had any inkling of them. Illidan just thought he was stopping the Legion. I agree, remove him from the "See Also" section. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Category for Old Gods ==
  
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Are the Old Gods seen as a race, organization, both, or neither? I noticed a lack of a category "describing" them. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 14:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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==Three old gods and...==
  
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In one of those three visions, the one with Deathwing you can hear yoggy talking along. In the war of Ancients you see that nelthation heard voices in his minds for so long that he couldn't make difference between them and his own thoughts, so it's AT LEAST hinted that yoggy himself corrupted him, so, three visions, 3 old gods, that could mean that each old god did one of those things as part of a greater plan, if that is true it would make Arthas another creature corrupted by the old gods, anyone knows any other hint that can support or deny that? [[User:Azahel|Azahel]] ([[User talk:Azahel|talk]]) 22:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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:1) There are only two Old Gods confirmed: Yogg-Saron and C'Thun
  
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:You're all basing this speculation on that there would actually be three Old Gods, which is not true. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::I think by "3 old gods" he was refering to ''"The Three"'' imprisonned by the Titans. Like the Speculation on the Y-S page : [[Yogg-Saron#One of .22The Three.22|Yogg-Saron, One of ''"The Three"'' ?]]
  
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::::So we'll have to wait and see about that, we can't life of speculations. About the question if he is one of the tree, i still can't find out why it's still taken as speculation. if he is acting alongside with the others may be one, but about him being one of them, it looks pretty clear [[User:Azahel|Azahel]] ([[User talk:Azahel|talk]]) 22:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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::We made the link between all we know ourselves (3 prisonners, the visions), but no official source claims it, so it should remain as Speculation I think...
  
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::[[User:A&#39;noob|Loremaster A&#39;noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan]] ([[User talk:A&#39;noob|talk]]) 23:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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If the Titans couldn't kill the Old Gods due to their symbiotic relationship with Azeroth itself, doesn't the fact that that we killed 2, and that one was already killed by the Titans have any effect on the planet, seeing as it was that effect that made the Titans so reluctant to kill them in the first place?--[[User:Jurnag12|Jurnag12-screw you guys! I&#39;m goin&#39; home!]] ([[User talk:Jurnag12|talk]]) 21:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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:Inconsistency...or future plot line? Its possible the ramifications of doing so will only occour once they are ALL dead. Its possible we didn't "kill" them. C'thun in the comics was said to be dead then it turns out he's alive. There's debate as to whether the initial death reported was the one caused by the titan who fought him or the one where the "heros of azeroth" go in and kill him. If it's the later then we really didn't kill him. My point is that the situation has not been fully laid out for us to be able to say much of anything with certainty. Blizzard might be doing this to keep us interested and speculating, or they may be doing it because they themselves haven't decided how it's going to play out and they want to keep things open to develope and change as they need. The one thing we can say with a respectable degree of certainty is that it's not an inconsistancy, at least not an unintentional one. It would be a pretty big oversight for blizzard in the same instance to introduce a boss who tells us the death of the old gods will lead to the destruction of Azeroth and have us kill an old god. More likely than not this...situation...is a lead into a future chapter of titan/old god lore.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 21:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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::The Titans themselves essentially gave the Gods a chance to attempt to take over the planet by escaping their imprisonment.--[[User:Jurnag12|Jurnag12-screw you guys! I&#39;m goin&#39; home!]] ([[User talk:Jurnag12|talk]]) 22:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::Heh thougt you might ask that, and yea i gave that some though as well. Possibly they did so as a buffer. A confirmation box of sorts. Theres a small number. If something happens to one, if one HAS to be kille etc...there is still others to keep Azeroth intact. That coupled with the fact the titans more likely than not didn't expect the old gods would be as troublesome as they have been makes it very possible. But again thats one assumption lumped on top of a pile of assumptions. Maybe thats not the way it works at all. Who can say...{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 22:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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::::I had similar thoughts [[Talk:Algalon_the_Observer#Figured_it_out|here]]. Thinking about it more, I remember the words of [[Aman]]...--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::::Okay, agreed, that is a good reason for several to be left alive, but it still does not explain the HUGE entrances to the prisons, or even the prisons on the surface instead of deep underground AKA completely sealed in.--[[User:Jurnag12|Jurnag12-screw you guys! I&#39;m goin&#39; home!]] ([[User talk:Jurnag12|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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:I think we should stick to how Blizzard spells it and left Old Gods capitalized. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 02:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Races are lower case though. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 03:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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:::I think most races are lower case because they are used by Blizzard that way. If Blizzard use Old Gods capitalized then they should have thier reasons. An example I can give is that God is capitalized most times in real life. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 00:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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I'd just like to make a few arguments about the order of arrivals on Azeroth. The Tribunal says that the Old Gods infested Azeroth "early in its development." The planet existed before the titans came, all sources agree to that. Some say that the Old Gods were here first and some don't but the world was here and until we hear different there was already life on it and sentient life at that like the Furbolgs, tauren, and the trolls because they have legends of the "coming" of the titans. They could hardly remember the coming of the titans if they didn't precede them. Until we hear that the canon has changed there was highly evolved life on Azeroth prior to the titans arrival.
  
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Long story short before the titans arrived the world already existed and was developing, even if it was not developing yet according to the titans plans. The tribunal says that the makers came to "extirpate symbiotic infection." However this doesn't necessarily mean that they'd been here before. The titans may make a policy of visiting every world infected by Old God contamination to repair damage. While the Tribune talks about the curse of flesh before mentioning the arrival of the makers, it doesn't actually say that's why the titans arrived. To remove the infection sounds less like an attempt to repair existing earthen and more like they arrived to try and remove the Old God infection. The Curse of Flesh may have existed for a long time before the titans arrived, infecting organisms like the trolls and furblogs (potentially. It's unclear exactly how the Old Gods would have gone about assimilating them so the Curse of Flesh might not have been involved). The First Stage earthen may have been blasted with the curse of flesh as part of the Old Gods attempt to fight back against the titans when they first came to Azeroth. Saying that the Creators "arrived" after the introduction of the Curse of Flesh doesn't tell us where they were before that. The Earthen, being a subterranean race may have made first contact with the Old Gods during the Titans initial survey of the world and been afflicted by the Curse before the titans even became aware of their presence. The titans could have simply been elsewhere on the planet working on something when they discovered that their minions had been corrupted and began to war against the Old Gods.
  
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Hey there people. I've been surveying this page, and I have to admit that in its current state it is leaving me seriously unsatisfied. The Old Gods are, especially lore-wise, rapidly gaining in importance through the Twilight Cult, Deathwing's return and Chris Metzen even implying he considers retconning the Old Gods to be the source of the corruption of Sargeras himself, so I think this article needs to start reflecting the growing prominence of the Old Gods. I plan to do a fairly large re-write and general clean-up on this article over the coming days/weeks, so don't be too alarmed when you start to see chances happening on the page.
  
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If you have any feedback/criticism/comments/questions you'd like to contribute/ask, please do so in this topic so we have any and all discussions about the re-write centralized and easy to track for other editors. I'll also post updates here as I progress through the re-write. Thanks, and I hope you all help me out wherever/whenever I goof up. [[User:TheFaithfulOfYogg-Saron|TheFaithfulOfYogg-Saron]] ([[User talk:TheFaithfulOfYogg-Saron|talk]]) 18:39, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
  
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:While I'm certain this article could use a facelift (and probably a tummy-tuck and a tail-trim), I'm wondering how you're planning to "reflect the growing prominence of the Old Gods." Other than that, I say go for it. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 04:42, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
  
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::Faithful, when you redid the alternate names, you removed a few and moved the citation to a phrase that the citation does not support. Also, I am not sure how that history quote is the best introduction for the Old Gods.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 04:46, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
  
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[http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626575587&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 "There are more Old Gods than just the ones trapped on Azeroth"], Blizzard reveals. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]]<span style="background:indigo; border:1px solid lime; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%; font-variant: small-caps">'''''[[User:Xavius|<span style="color:lime; cursor:normal" title="All hail the Satyr Lord!"><u>Xavius, the Satyr Lord</u></span>]]'''''</span> 11:36, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
  
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He's still [[DNP]] atm afaik. See [[Talk:Deathwing#Redaction]] --{{User:Zealvurte/Sig2.1}} 14:16, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
  
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:Article from wow.com? either way, that in-game images suggest he's not an old god. Until there is proof he is, he's not. --{{User:Zealvurte/Sig2.1}} 11:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
  

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Blue dragonflight
Bluedragonflight
Domain Magic
Breath Frost, Ice, Arcane
Major leader(s) Kalecgos Cataclysm
Malygos the Spell-Weaver (Formerly)
Racial capital The Nexus
Homeworld Azeroth
Language(s) Draconic
Average height Varies by species and age

The blue dragonflight, ruled by Malygos, the lord of magic, was all but devastated by the evil Deathwing and his black dragonflight. Though there are few great blue dragons left in the world, their magical powers are awesome to behold. Native to Northrend, the few blues stay relatively close to the great Dragonblight, where they commune with the ancient dragon spirits who died in ages past. Their freezing breath and gargantuan claws have been the death of many hapless travelers in Northrend.[1]

Member types

Blue dragon

Blue drake

Drakeart

Blue drake concept art

BluedragonWCA

A blue dragon from Warcraft Adventures.

The blue dragonflight includes the blue dragons themselves as well as all other blue dragonkin such as dragonspawn and drakonids.

Culture

The Blue Dragonflight encompasses both the literal descendants of Malygos — the blue dragons — and their loyal servants and companions, the blue dragonspawn. Historically, blue dragons have had a reputation for spending their days in solitary contemplation of the secrets of the world, but in recent times blue dragons have proved to be more social due to the growing threats to all living creatures. Their traditional home is Northrend, where they remain close to the great Dragonblight.

Adult blue dragons most often have names ending in "gos", or "gosa" for females. Sometimes synonyms of the word "blue", or terms relating to spellcasting find their way into a blue dragon's name as well. When taking humanoid form blue dragons most often choose gnomish or high elven forms.

History

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BlueDragon1

The Blue Dragon in Warcraft III.

Charge of the Dragonflights

Before the Titans departed Azeroth, they charged the greatest species of the world with the task of watching over it. In that age, there were many dragonflights, yet five flights, one of which was the blue, held dominion over their brethren, and were chosen to shepherd the budding world. The greatest members of the Pantheon imbued a portion of their power upon each of the flights' leaders.

Norgannon, the Titan lore keeper and master-magician, granted the blue dragon, Malygos, a portion of his vast power. From then on, Malygos would be known as the Spell-Weaver, the guardian of magic and hidden arcanum.[2]

The time following this came to be known as the age of dragons, when the civilization of dragonkind was at it's peak.[3]

War of the Ancients

When the night elves inadvertently called the Burning Legion to the world, the blue dragons were among the first to realize the potential threat; and when the Aspect of the Earth, Neltharion, suggested creating a magical artifact to aid in the destruction of the demons, the blues were some of the first to agree to the plan. Malygos himself was one of Neltharion's closest friends, and he gave much of his own essence toward the creation of this object, called the Dragon Soul.

When each dragon had contributed a portion of his or her essence to the artifact, Neltharion deemed it complete, and brought it to bear against the demons — but only for a precious few moments. Soon, he turned the artifact against the terrified night elves as well, and finally his own brethren. The shocked dragons were helpless to resist the power of the Dragon Soul, for it contained a fraction of the essence of each — with the exception of Neltharion himself. All the dragonflights, save Neltharion's own, were paralyzed in the air until the timely intervention of Korialstrasz, one of the mates of the red dragonqueen, who had been absent from the initial use of the artifact. While Korialstrasz was no match for the might of the Aspect of Earth, he was powerful enough to interrupt Neltharion's concentration for a moment, which freed the other dragons from their paralysis and allowed them to act. Malygos, infuriated at the betrayal by one of his closest companions, struck first, but at a great price. As the blue dragonflight flew into formation to attack Neltharion, the mighty black wyrm unleashed the full fury of the Dragon Soul against them, and the power instantly slew nearly every one of them. As the other dragons turned to act, Neltharion retreated, leaving the blue dragonflight broken in his wake.

Following the betrayal, the surviving red, green, and bronze dragons secluded themselves, hoping to recover from the Dragon Soul's powers. Korialstrasz teleported himself to the icy caverns of the blue flight to search for any remaining life. He found none, save a few nearly frozen, but still intact, eggs. Knowing these eggs were the only hope of a future the blue flight had, he placed them in a pocket universe, where time ran ever so slowly, until he could pass them on to someone he could trust.[4] The Kaldorei and their allies managed to defeat the legion, but at great cost. Azeroth was sundered.

After the Sundering

The loss of most of his children and mates drove Malygos out of his mind. Malygos continued for some time in the war against Neltharion, who now called himself Deathwing, but Malygos's presence in the world diminished over time. Perhaps Malygos's last sane act was placing many of his surviving dragons in the caverns of Mazthoril to hold eternal vigil over the sacred site of Mt. Hyjal, location of the world tree Nordrassil and the second Well of Eternity.

Malygos, in his rage and grief, split his home from the rest of the land, creating the gap later known as the Westrift that separates Coldarra from what had become mainland Northrend. The few survivors settled on Coldarra, carving their own caverns out of the Nexus. For 10,000 years the Aspect Malygos fell deeper and deeper into his madness. He isolated himself in his lair and refused all visitors.

The drawn out war between the black dragonflight and the other flights decimated the species, with all flights losing members, the blues losing many of what few they had left. The dragonflights hunted the blacks to the brink of extinction,[5] but were greatly weakened by their sacrifice to the Demon Soul. Ultimately the blacks were nearly wiped out,[6] though the other flights never truly recovered from those dark times and were never again seen in the same numbers as before. The Age of Dragons had passed.

Guardians of Magic

A few remaining members of his flight continued their mad masters job of studying magic throughout the millennia in attempts to keep the mortal race's abuse of it in check. The Arcanomicon, a map of the world's ley lines gifted to Malygos ages ago by the titan Norgannon, has been continuously updated and revised by the blue dragons over the long years of Malygos's seclusion.[7] Other blues, such as Sapphiron and Azuregos, continued to search for and hoard artifacts of great magical power, keeping them from inexperienced hands.[8][9] When the legion was planning its second invasion of Azeroth, another agent, Arcanagos, attempted to sway the Guardian Medivh away from the path he was taking under the control of the Dark Titan, Sargeras.

War of the Shifting Sands

A thousand years before modern times, the almost-extinct blue dragons still managed to lend their aid to the night elves and the bronze dragonflight during the War of the Shifting Sands. Led by Arygos, child of Malygos, the blues fought the Silithid and their Qiraji masters furiously and ultimately helped push them back to their city where they were sealed away from the world. The dragons suffered few casualties but the progeny of Malygos, Arygos, was until recently believed lost, having charged deep into Ahn'Qiraj during the final push. After the war a shard of the Scepter of the Shifting Sands was entrusted to the blue wyrm Azuregos by Anachronos the bronze.[10]

Battle of Grim Batol

In the events leading up to the Second War, Deathwing led a powerful orc warlock named Nekros to the Dragon Soul — now renamed the Demon Soul — and instructed him how to use it. Nekros used the Demon Soul to force the red Dragon Aspect, Alexstrasza, into submission, and forced the rest of the red dragonflight to serve him or risk the death of their queen. Korialstrasz, who escaped by faking his death and taking the identity of an archmage of the Kirin Tor, sought the other Aspects for help. Malygos had seemed almost indifferent to the news at first. When Korialstrasz asked for Malygos' assistance in his queen's rescue he hinted to the lord of the blues that as the aspect of life, there could be something Alexstrasza could do for him and his nearly-extinct flight. After heavy consideration and some coaxing from Ysera, he agreed. Though each Aspect was difficult to convince, he eventually succeeded, and the dragons battled Deathwing in the sky near Grim Batol. Korialstrasz's human apprentice, Rhonin, defeated Nekros and used one of Deathwing's scales to destroy the Demon Soul. The destruction of the artifact released the ancient power that had been sealed inside for millennia, and allowed the Aspects to defeat Deathwing and force him to retreat. This final battle was known as the Battle of Grim Batol.[11]

After having his powers restored to him, Malygos regained his sanity and his agents became more active in the world. The blue dragonflight, still recovering from the events that occurred ten thousand years ago, nevertheless continued to safeguard the world from corrupting magic and those who would wield it.

The Sunwell

During the war the fabled Sunwell had been lost to the Elves of Quel'Thalas. Malygos and the blues felt a great flaring of power, coming from Lordaeron. The Spell-Weaver, with no elders at his disposal, sent the young Kalecgos to investigate. Tyrygosa, Kalecgos's intended mate, followed soon after, arriving just in time to save Kalecgos from the Scourge. In their company was a strange young woman by the name of Anveena Teague. On a visit to Tarren Mill they were joined by the paladin Jorad Mace.[12] The four journeyed together, their exploits eventually leading them to Quel'Thalas where after being assaulted by Dar'Khan Drathir and an enslaved Korialstrasz they discovered Anveena was the new avatar of the Sunwell. Dar'Khan was defeated and Anveena was left in the care of Lor'themar Theron and Halduron Brightwing. Kalecgos, having sworn to look after her, remained in Quel'Thalas as Anveena's guardian.[13]

Battle at the Dark Portal

The Burning Legion survivors of the third war, led by Lord Kazzak were ultimely able to reopen the Dark Portal. Once the initial demonic onslaught was subdued, a number of nether dragons attempted to cross into Azeroth, only to be met by a force of blue dragons whom quickly destroyed and prevented all but one in entering. The lone survivor, Zzeraku, was however quickly captured by Sintharia. Since that time the blue dragons monitor the portal from their sanctum, and nothing crosses in or out without their knowing.[14]

In World of Warcraft

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File:Bluedragonkin.JPG

Blue dragonkin in Mazthoril.

The icy caverns of Mazthoril in Winterspring teem with blue dragonkin under the Matron Protectorate, Haleh, and General Colbatann. These dragonkin are fierce enemies of the black flight and desire to strike out against its new leaders; Nefarian and Onyxia. Recently they have come under attack by Nefarian's dragonriders, coming in the darkness of night, and kidnapping whelps to be used in experiments to create a new chromatic flight.

Azuregos and his brood of dragonspawn guard the ruins of the ancient night elven city of Eldarath. The city is rumored to hold many powerful highborne artifacts scattered throughout the ruins. Azuregos will stop at nothing to safeguard these artifacts from falling into mortal hands.[9]

Arygos, thought to have been lost during the War of the Shifting Sands, was recently found to be alive inside Ahn'Qiraj, as a slave of C'Thun, along with Caelestrasz and Merithra. The dark master of Ahn'Qiraj used the tortured dragons to power his new creations: Moam and the other Obsidian destroyers. [15] Andorgos came to Ahn'Qiraj after sensing his trapped brethren within, but dares not travel into the temple from fear of falling under the old god's control.

The Burning Crusade

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Tyrygosa, princess of the blue flight, has traveled to the shattered realm of Outland to study the mysterious Nether Dragons. The nether dragons are the spawn of Deathwing, who as eggs were exposed to the arcane energies of the twisting nether when Draenor was shattered by Ner'zhul's portals. Tyrygosa seeks to better understand the rogue nether dragons, under the control of Veraku, and ultimately take control of them and keep their temperament, inherited from their sire, under control.

Kalecgos had until recently remained guarding Anveena on Quel'Danas. The return of the Sun King, Kael'thas Sunstrider, fresh from his defeat in Tempest Keep, has brought the Burning Legion to Azeroth, and Kalecgos has been taken as their slave. Malygos has sent Madrigosa to assist Kalecgos in combating the demonic horde.

Wrath of the Lich King

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Nexus Dragonspawn

The Nexus dragonkin

Having awoken from the madness that engulfed him, Malygos quickly assessed the state of magical affairs on Azeroth and concluded that magic was running amok throughout the world, blaming the mortal races and their reckless pursuit of magical power. Determined to forestall a catastrophe, the blue aspect decreed that the world's unbridled magic must be reined in by any means necessary. Determined to manipulate all existing magic to serve his own purposes, he now seeks to divert Azeroth's ley lines to his own home, the Nexus by the use of giant constructs known as Surge needles. The blue dragonflight has been ordered to maneuver the colossal machines into key positions over magical ley line clusters, their work has already begun in the Dragonblight. Malygos' actions however carry disastrous consequences, splintering the world's crust and opening unstable rifts in the twisting nether. If successful, his tampering could result in an ecological and magical catastrophe that would threaten not only the stability of Northrend, but ultimately the equilibrium of the entire world. The red dragonflight and the Kirin Tor now fight against Malygos in this Nexus War.[7][16]

In their campaign to rein in the world's unbridled magic, the blue dragonflight has diverted much of the ley lines' magical energy to the Azure Dragonshrine, empowering the flight and altering their appearance. With this power the blue flight has boldly began to launch attacks against Wyrmrest Temple, what was once considered neutral ground. The other flights have formed the Wyrmrest Accord, and fight back to defend the temple against their misguided brethren.

As the Nexus War has ended, an ambassador of the Blue Dragonflight, Kalecgos, can now be found at the top of the Wyrmrest Temple. He assists players during the Quel'Delar chain quest.

Cataclysm

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Ever since the death of the Dragon Aspect Malygos, the blue dragonflight has struggled with appointing a new leader. Its members are torn between Kalecgos and Arygos, the two likeliest successors. Arygos, a scion of Malygos, believes that his kind should withdraw from the world and forge a new path while Kalecgos champions reconciliation with other races. To end these debates and arguments the flight has agreed to meet during the Embrace, in hopes that one of them will be selected as the new Aspect.[17]

Meanwhile the black dragonflight has invaded Azshara to hunt down Azuregos. Azuregos, along with Kalecgos, will help low level Horde players repel the invasion. At the same time, the caverns of Mazthoril has been magically corrupted, creatures from all dimensions have made their way inside and there's no trace of Blue Dragons as a powerful wizard has drawn all of their essences. Matron Haleh has escaped from Umbranse's schemes and wants him dead to gain her revenge.

During the Embrace, at Coldarra, it is revealed that Arygos has allied with Deathwing to assassinate Kalecgos in order to secure his position as leader of the Blue dragonflight. However his plan is thwarted and revealed to the rest of the flight when Tarecgosa sacrifices herself to save Kalecgos. With his actions revealed to the rest of his flight Arygos flees the Coldarra calling the flight fools and that Neltharion will destroy them as Kalecgos is chosen to be the flight's new leader.

During the Quests and Lore Q&A at BlizzCon 2010, Chris Metzen confirmed that Kalecgos will the new Aspect of the blue dragonflight.[18]

Known members

Name Role Type Condition
IconSmall KalecgosIconSmall Kalec Kalecgos Current leader of the blue dragonflight. Recently became the new Aspect of magic during the Embrace. Formerly an agent of Malygos and guardian of Anveena Teague. Aspect Alive
IconSmall MalygosIconSmall Malygos2 Malygos Former leader of the blue dragonflight. Blessed by the Titans as the Aspect of magic, and called the Spell-Weaver. Killed by the red dragonflight, ending the Nexus War. Aspect Killable-Deceased
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall Gnome Female Andorgos Agent which came to Ahn'Qiraj after sensing his trapped brethren within. Found at the entrance to the temple. Dragon Alive
IconSmall Emberwyrm Arcanagos Agent who confronted Medivh at Karazhan, and was burned from within, remains littering the area. Reincarnation is known as Nightbane. Dragon Undead-Killable
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall Gnome Male Arygos Son of Malygos. Fought and captured in the War of the Shifting Sands. Atempts to ally with Deathwing following his father's death, but is betrayed by his new allies. Dragon Killable-Deceased
IconSmall Azuregos Azuregos Formerly guardian of the ruins of the ancient highborne city of Eldarath. Now resides in the spirit world. Inv misc gem sapphire 03 [Blue Scepter Shard] holder. Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlue Balacgos Son of Malygos. Slain in ancient times by his own creation, a cerulean cube designed to absorb latent magic now known as Balacgos's Bane. Dragon Deceased
IconSmall AzuregosIconSmall HighElf Female Cyanigosa Sent by Malygos to the Violet Hold of Dalaran under orders to free all prisoners and launch an a full scale invasion of the city. Dragon Killable
IconSmall DragonBlue Eregos The Ley-Guardian. Can be found in upper reaches of the Oculus. Dragon Killable
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall HighElf Female Haleh Consort of Malygos. Matron Protectorate of Mazthoril, currently residing at the Beryl Egress. Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlue Jarygos Kirygosa's Mate. Perished prior to the end of the Nexus War. Dragon Deceased
IconSmall DragonBlue Kaldrigos Known as "The Dread Wyrm". Slain ages ago by a group of four mortals, presumably dwarves. Dragon Deceased
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall Human Female Kirygosa Daughter of Malygos. Betrayed by Arygos and made prisoner of the Twilight's Hammer for use in their experiments. Escapes and returns to her flight. Dragon Alive
IconSmall AzuregosIconSmall FelDragon Madrigosa Dragon sent to Quel'Danas along with Kalecgos. Flys over the Dead Scar, taunting Brutallus, who later kills her. Reincarnation is known as Felmyst. Dragon Undead-Killable
IconSmall DragonBlue Narygos Blue dragon whom serves as protector of the Nexus. Informs Arygos and Kalecgos of Thralls arrival and later fights to retake Wyrmrest Temple. Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall HighElf Male Nymn Son of Haleh. Agent found in Everlook sending adventurers ahead to his mother at the Beryl Egress. Dragon Alive
IconSmall FrostWyrm Sapphiron Ancient servant of Malygos. Lair invaded by Arthas who slew and raised him as a Frost wyrm. Serves Kel'Thuzad, guarding his inner sanctum in Naxxramas. Dragon Undead-Killable
IconSmall AzuregosIconSmall Human Female Saragosa Consort of Malygos. Guardian of Coldarra. Killed when lured into a trap set in motion by her former prisoner Keristrasza. Dragon Killable
IconSmall DragonBlue Sidragos Sent orders to Goramosh directing him to move all forces under his command to the Azure Dragonshrine. Dragon Unknown
IconSmall Frostbrood Sindragosa The Frost Queen, first of the Frostbrood. Former prime consort of Malygos. Perished in the War of the Ancients, and remains were once found in Icecrown. Dragon Undead-Killable
IconSmall DragonBlue Tarecgosa Sacrifices herself to save Kalecgos from Arygos's betrayal. Kalecgos saves her life by binding her soul to a staff Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlue Teralygos Older dragon is is sympathetic to Arygos' stance of isolationism. Often critizes Kalecgos and the other flights but remains loyal regardless. Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlueIconSmall Tyri Tyrygosa Kalecgos's intended mate. Assisted restoring the Sunwell's power to the Elves of Quel'Thalas. Found at the Celestial Ridge studying the nether dragons. Dragon Alive
IconSmall DragonBlue Vyragosa A wandering blue dragon found in the Storm Peaks. Dragon Killable
IconSmall DrakeBlue Azurous Drake who patrols around Winterspring. Drake Killable
IconSmall DrakeBlue Indigos Drake found in Dalaran Crater in the Hillsbrad Foothills. Drake Killable
IconSmall DrakeBlue Manaclaw Drake that resided inside the caverns of Mazthoril. Killed by Umbranse the Spiritspeaker. Drake Deceased
IconSmall DrakeBlue Scryer Drake-Champion of the blue dragonflight. Resided inside the caverns of Mazthoril. Killed by Umbranse the Spiritspeaker. Drake Deceased
IconSmall DrakeBlue Spellmaw Drake who once patroled the area immediately outside Mazthoril. Killed by Umbranse the Spiritspeaker. Drake Deceased
IconSmall WhelpBlue Awbee Whelp abducted to Blackrock Spire by Nefarian's agents for his chromatic experiments. Once sent adventurers to Haleh in Winterspring. Whelp Alive
IconSmall SpawnBlue Cerulean General of the blue dragonflight forces found in Coldarra. Dragonspawn Killable
IconSmall SpawnBlue Colbatann General and military leader of the blue dragonflight forces on Kalimdor. Resides in Mazthoril. Staunch enemy of the black dragonflight. Dragonspawn Killable
IconSmall SpawnBlue Drakos The Interrogator. Winged dragonspawn found in the Oculus. Dragonspawn Killable
IconSmall SpawnBlue Goramosh Dragonspawn in charge of the blue dragonflight forces found at the Moonrest Gardens. Dragonspawn Killable
IconSmall DrakonidBlue Goredrak Azure-Lord of the blue dragonflight. Found in Coldarra. Drakonid Killable
IconSmall DrakonidBlue Insivius Curator of the blue dragonflight. Leads the mage hunters in Coldrock Quarry in digging up sacred tuskarr artifacts. Drakonid Killable
IconSmall DrakonidBlue Varos Cloudstrider Azure-Lord of the blue dragonflight. Can be found in the Oculus. Drakonid Killable
File:IconSmall BloodElf Boy.gif Zakk Sinon Dragonkin wandering outside Mazthoril in elven child form. Dragonkin Alive

In the RPG

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Culture

Society

Malygos is said to have established magic itself and created all the spells that set the sky and earth into motion. While he is not revered as a god, for blue dragons see no godhood in scientific fact, he is considered the greatest scientific mind ever to have existed in the multiverse—or, at least, his flight considers him so. Blue dragons have a natural affinity for spellcasting, and most powers of sorcery are instinct even to young drakes. Because of their natural propensity for magic, they have high magic resistances and can withstand many magical attacks. They are also the masters of frost, their breath weapon can drain enemies' magic energy, an effect the blue dragons term "withdrawing Malygos's favor." Blues find all forms of ice and water welcome, most making their lairs in the frozen peaks of mountains or in caverns near, or under, freezing water.

For the thousands of years between the Sundering and the destruction of the Demon Soul, blue dragons were all but unheard of, but they have begun to emerge in the world once again. Their traditional home is Northrend, where they remain close to the great Dragonblight, the final resting place of dragons. The blue dragons once communed with the dead there to ensure that each draconic spirit made its way into the Beyond. Northrend lies much in control of the Scourge, but blues still make pilgrimages to the dark northlands, seeking answers hidden among the bones of their dead. The most powerful blue dragon sorcerers claim that the spirits of the dead tell them a new upheaval is on its way, a cataclysm that will outweigh any trouble the world of Azeroth has yet endured. The blue dragons say this often, no matter what disaster the world suffers, so few have given their words much credence this time.[19] More and more dragons however, migrate to the caverns of Mazthoril in Winterspring on Kalimdor. This migration occurs for two main reasons: First, because of the growing concern about another imminent attack on the World Tree; and second, to retreat from the Scourge, which some dragons see as a threat the dragonflight is not prepared to conquer.[20]

Blue dragons are a bit xenophobic, keeping to their territories and maintaining their own studies without interference. They are highly territorial, largely due to their paranoia that any intruder wandering into their lairs are probably agents of the black dragonflight, and won't hesitate to attack if his territory is invaded. Under such circumstances, a blue dragon is as violent and destructive as any black dragon. In previous years, blue dragons even attacked each other over territorial disputes, but such conflicts are unlikely now that so many dragons have adapted to living in groups for protection.[20][21]

In modern days blue dragons are rare and difficult to find, thus their society does not have a rigid hierarchy. Although some great blue dragons remain in the world, they are few and far between, studying their magic almost to the exclusion of all else. All blue dragons serve Malygos with roughly equal standing, although there are some ancient dragons who are considered authority figures simply due to their great knowledge and mastery of magic. In essence, it is a society ruled by the powerful, but in a group of intellectuals such as these any real ranking system would do nothing but cause endless debate. Males and females have equal standing in blue dragon society, although usually it is the female who chooses her mate. With a few exceptions, blue dragons usually take only a single mate, and they are immensely protective of their mates and children. Female blue dragons sometimes stalk and observe a potential mate in a number of different forms to gauge the male’s worth before revealing themselves.

Studies

Blue dragons are the undisputed masters of magic, their culture revolving around the study and cataloging of magic and spells, primarily but not exclusively arcane magic. They focus on advancing in spellcasting ability, and the acquisition of knowledge and greater magical power to the exclusion of almost everything else, but this is not to say they are single minded. Rather, the dragons are extremely loyal, and know that the Titans gave their master his domain so that they would use their magic to keep the world safe.[20] As such, the "proper" use of magic is a matter of great importance to the dragons — while blue dragons are naturally curious about the use of warlock magic and the like, they consider such forms of magic to be perversions of nature. For this reason, warlocks and necromancers are considered enemies of the dragonflight, although the dragons have higher priorities on their hit list — namely every living black dragon. In their pursuit of magic, blue dragons infiltrate mortal societies in humanoid forms to learn more about how mortals practice spellcasting. While some dragons have engaged in this activity for centuries, it has been widespread only since Malygos's recent recovery from years of insanity.

While the dragons are primarily interested in arcane magic, other forms interest them as well, especially those that do not require the worship of a divine being. For this reason, a number of blue dragons engage in a scholarly study of the Holy Light. It isn't surprising to find blue dragons in the ranks of many mortal orders: the Kirin Tor, naturally, but also orders dedicated to the Light such as the Argent Dawn and the Knights of the Silver Hand.

In addition to their noted obsession with magic, blue dragons also enjoy researching other subjects. They could be called the academics among dragons; they have begun to serve more and more as the teachers of younger members of other species. While in humanoid form, many dragons also notice the scientific discoveries of other races and take an increasing interest in the development of engineering and similar studies. Blue dragons are scholars and often learn many languages, posing as mortal wizards and even paladins to better study the magical progress of the younger races. Many strive to impress their master, Malygos. Members of the blue flight value other thinkers such as writers, artist, spellcasters, academic types, and engineers.[22] They have associated with the elves for the centuries, and more recently they study the unique skills of dwarven, gnome, and goblin engineers.[23] They delight in knowledge and in samples of new crafts.[24]

Blue Dragonspawn, more often than the dragonspawn of other flights, become proficient arcanists and rise to positions of power and authority within their broods, General Colbatann of Mazthoril being a prime example. This is credited to the unusual intelligence and disposition towards magic associated with the blue dragonflight.[20] Many other dragonspawn are warriors, rogues, hunters, scouts or gladiators. A few dragonspawn priests worship the blue dragonflight or Malygos, contrary to most blue dragon beliefs, but shamans and druids are almost unheard of among the blue dragonflight.[25]

Faith

The blue dragonflight’s belief system is scientific; they seek proof of everything, and take little on faith or word of mouth alone. The dragons revere Malygos as a creator of magic, but not as a god; rather, they feel Malygos is simply the greatest scientific mind that has ever existed. Those dragons that know of the Titans respect them as powerful users of magic and as creators, but they consider the Titans good examples and mentors, not divinities to be worshiped. Likewise, the dragons respect the followers of Elune, Cenarius and the other Ancients, but they do not worship these entities.[21]

Mentality

The blue dragonflight is focused on the pursuit of ever greater power and knowledge. This doesn't make them completely egocentric; the dragons share what they learn to help others of their kind as well as the world in general. Many blue dragons strive to impress their master, Malygos, with their knowledge of magic, or invent new spells or magic items. Members of the blue dragonflight value other thinkers, including spellcasters, engineers, writers, artists and general academic types. If a mortal shows a blue dragon a spell he has never seen, they earn that dragon’s respect. If they teach the dragon that spell, the mortal likely gains the dragon's gratitude for a lifetime — and blues live a very long time. Generally, members of the blue dragonflight consider adventurers in general to be kindred spirits, but they highly favor those who are clever, inventive and powerful.[22]

Relations

While blue dragons are slowly growing in numbers again, they lack the power to take on the children of Deathwing, such as Onyxia and Nefarion, directly. As such, the blues entrust favored mortals with the task of fighting against these powerful black dragons, and reward their mortal allies with magical secrets and objects of power in return for risking their lives to aid the dragonflight. Generally, the blue dragonflight likes the mortal races, especially those that practice arcane magic, but there are a few exceptions. Most blue dragons dislike goblins, since many goblins serve the black dragonflight, and it was a group of goblins that outfitted Deathwing with the adamantine armor attached to his scales. Also, blue dragons are wary of orcs, due to their role in enslaving the red dragonflight in recent years. Relations between the blue dragonflight and the other dragonflights have dramatically improved since the fall of Deathwing at Grim Batol; many of the other dragons felt that the blues abandoned them after the construction of the World Tree; but now red, bronze and blue dragons guard Nordrassil together once again.[22] Now, it should be noted however that several Blues are somewhat bitter after the events of the Nexus War.

Corruption

Blue dragons are some of the foremost arcane spellcasters on Azeroth. As such, some are concerned that the demons' taint may touch and corrupt the dragonflight. These concerns are unfounded; blue dragons, blue wyrmkin, and the rest of the dragonflight are immune to arcane corruption — though no one yet understands why. Perhaps they have mastered magic to such an extent that they surpassed the danger. If this is true, perhaps arcanists of other races can achieve similar transcendence.[22]

History

For thousands of years, Malygos' children prospered and experimented with the eldritch powers of the universe, unrivaled in their mastery of arcane power.[21] The blue dragons were numerous and co-existed peacefully with the other dragonflights, working together to safeguard their world. But this age would not last forever.[26]

At the hour of Deathwing's betrayal, Malygos narrowly managed to raise a protective spell fast enough to survive, and only a handful of others reached the safety of his barrier in time. As the other dragons turned to act, Neltharion retreated, leaving the blue dragonflight broken in his wake.[25]

After having nearly wiped out the flight, the black dragons were not ready to leave the last few blues in peace. The survivors of the blue flight had fled to Northrend, when Deathwing attacked, slaughtering them by the dozens. The survivors fought back but were no match for Deathwing's ferocity. In the process their homes were destroyed and the land so damaged it could never recover. The area became the Dragonblight.[27] Over what is now Crystalsong Forest another battle between the blacks and blues was waged. The dying blues released their magic and it sprinkled down to cover the landscape. Finally a elder blue wyrm, beset by many blacks, released a spell to turn his attackers into stone, but the magic blanketing the area amplified the spell and crystallized the landscape.[28]

Blue Dragons were rarely seen, and most of the survivors had gone into hiding from the blacks.[27] For thousands of years, none but a few of the most ancient dragons knew of Malygos's whereabouts, and much of his dragonflight hid in solitude, realizing their fight against Deathwing was doomed without their leader.[25]

Following Deathwing's retreat at the Battle of Grim Batol, the black dragonflight became less organized, allowing the blues the chance to strike back against the murderous dragons who hunted them for millennia. General Cobaltann, one of the eldest and most powerful of the blue dragonspawn, organized an army to protect all creatures against the threat of the black dragonflight hoping it would grow strong enough to obliterate the black dragonflight.[25] Since the blue dragonflight was so long secluded from the affairs of mortals, most were pleasantly surprised at the progress humans and high elves had made. Their pride in the accomplishments of these races allowed them to justify taking humanoid form to trade secrets with the mortals.

Following the Battle of Mount Hyjal, blue dragons were stationed at Hyjal Summit, where they, along with the reds, greens, and bronzes, guarded the World Tree from another attack by the remnants of the Burning Legion in Darkwhisper Gorge.[29][30] They also kept an eye on the demons from the caverns of Mazthoril in Winterspring. The blues are concerned the demons there would eventually launch another attack against Mount Hyjal and the dragons stationed there.[31]

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