Talk:Naga

Naga and the Old Gods

From Old Gods discussion, Naga and the Old Gods:

Okay I did some research and it looks like Blizzard left out some of the Naga lore on the worldofwarcraft.com site and it was filled in by the books.

From Richard A. Knaak Q&A Interview Part 2 - War of the Ancients Trilogy on BlizzPlanet.com:

2. There seems to be some confusion among fans. In the Lore forums, the discussion is whether Azshara struck a bargain with the Old gods or not. Whether the Old gods turned Azshara and her highborne into Naga, as their new servants.

Knaak: Yes, it was decided by Blizzard that the Old Gods were the reason for Azshara and her ilk becoming Naga. They wanted to tie the Old Gods in, better to the world.

So the implication is that the Naga owe the Old Gods for helping them survive the Sundering and the Maelstrom. --Fandyllic 5:48 PM PST 29 Mar 2006

revision idea

I was just wondering if we might want to put in to this article that in the book Lands of Conflict it is speculated that the naga may have taken over the area of Gilneas DJ Talk

Naga case

Naga should take the lowercase, no? User:Kirkburn/Sig 04:42, 29 January 2007 (EST)

I'd say so... like tauren. No plural doesn't necessarily make it a proper name. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 07:44, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Old Gods

Section is redundant because it is already mentioned several times that the Naga are likely loyal to the Old Gods. I'd like a citation on the spell that they helped Illidan augment, because without that link, there is no actual evidence that Illidan has any links to the Old Gods. The Arakkoa mention was rightly removed, as the Old Gods have not demonstrated any presence on worlds other than Azeroth.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, actually I have to disagree with the last point - check out Harbinger Skyriss :) Even so, the information is not directly relevant to the naga. If anything, it should be speculated elsewhere, likely on the Old Gods page. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 23:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

<shrug> first mention I have EVER heard of the Old Gods desiring to spread their control. Still, section is redundant unless I can get the citation on Illidan's spell. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Working on it, left my book at home (the sundering that is) :( I'm at work atm.

~ Peregrine

See above. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This speculation belongs on the Naga page, it is directly involved with the Naga's actions and is speculation about their true intent on Azeroth. It is just that, SPECULATION, so don't go treating me like I'm trying to pass it off as fact. Now I'd appreciate it if you'd stop deleting it. ~ Peregrine

As long as it is in the speculation section and has the the speculation template... I see no problem. Although I doubt there are any sources that will support it...Baggins 21:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm saying... there is nowhere any text that says, "the Naga are serving the Old Gods' purposes." If there was, I wouldn't have tagged it as speculation. There is no solid PROOF, however there is EVIDENCE. ~ Peregrine

I'm all for theories, but this thing is somwhat repeated on many pages, some may have been removed buy pehaps a seperate page with the combined speculation is in order with links on the relevent pages?--SWM2448 22:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it speculated a lot elsewhere? I was under the impression the the only place this particular theory was placed other than the Naga page was Illidan. And even then, the one on Illidan is about Illidan's role in the Old Gods' plans, not the Nagas. ~ Peregrine

Sandwich has got a point it oculd be streamlined a bit. Also theories that are allowed in articles are usually very common ones, or are referenced in lore. The only connection to old gods and naga comes from a reference in the WOTA trilogy and interveiw with the author?Baggins 22:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well if you want it done you'll need to do it yerself, I'm about to sign off for the night :) ~ Peregrine

I'm not deleting it because it's speculation, I'm deleting it because it's already in the frakkin' article!!! This is not a revolutionary new theory, it's restatinga common presumption. The only things in this section that aren't in the article already is the line about malign purposes, and the thing about Vashj, which can be slipped in above.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody has bothered to defend it, I will remove the section again on the grounds that it's not being discussed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Where is it already mentioned here in this article? Where, in this article, does it state the Naga are possibly, even probably, serving the Old Gods' twisted schemes? If you're going to delete my speculation, at least put my theory on this page elsewhere. ~ Peregrine

Why not try searching hte page for "Old Gods", I see it showing up in the first paragraph, and the racebox.Baggins 16:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, there we go. First section, talks about the reason for Vashj's alliance with Illidan. Huzza. ~ Peregrine

Intelligence

Where does it actually say that Naga females are smarter than the males? I never noticed much difference between them in the Frozen Throne. Coming Second 01:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Good question, I have no idea. I'm tagging the lines for a citation. --Raze 01:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Another thing to point out is that Warlord Kalithresh and Fathom-Lord Karathress seem to be in positions of power (albeit under Vashj), rather than being mere soldiers. --Raze 01:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like an RPG fact to me. Ask the hobbit, if he's avaliable. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sigh... haha... people who make assumptiosns off of so little evidence which is hardly good evidence to begin with...disappoint me... It is true females tend to take higher levels of power in Naga society... but the same goes for NE society, I've come to the conclusion by thoroughly studying the naga from diferent sources, such as Frozen throne, WoW and such, and with a little assuming, I find that I've found the answer to this discussion. Naga males are not less intelligent, they simply take a different position in the naga social ladder. the naga society is like a mix of the blood elvan and night elvan societies. Like in NE society, females are dominant, particularly because of a female leader(AKA Azshara) and because Azshara is an accomplished magic user, females in naga society, unlike in NE society, excel in magic use, this is similar to the Blood elf social workings in the sense that the government is headed by magic users, (The Magisters, Kael) only in Blood elf society, males are the more prevailent magic users. Now as to the naga male side, the males in this society, like the females in both NE and BE societies have done, have taken to the military sect of the Naga government. However just like in BE and NE societies there are some exceptions, like in the frozen throne, the naga Myrimidon are very accomplished magic users (considered to be the most powerful spellcasting unit in game). And so I hope my entry into this discussion makes sense to everyone.-Feldaldor, 2007

I think that actually has merit, but I don't think that the disputed fact isn't also true. Like Rage, I'm pretty sure that fact came out of the RPG. In the future, could you sign your posts using four tildes, like so: ~~~~? --User:Sky2042/Sig 06:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Naga Royal Guard is what you're thinking of. Coming Second 16:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Naga race...maybe?

This is more like a possibility being thrown out for consideration... but does anyone think it's possible Naga might become an actual playable WoW race? If so who do you suppose they'd be with? Horde? Alliance? Or possibly, as I've heard rumored, a new third party in the Warcraft frey?

Future race ideas sounds like what you need :) User:Kirkburn/Sig3 06:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I doubt it. From what I've read of Wrath Blizzard seem pretty keen to make both the Naga and the Nerubians pretty unrepetented, which is a great shame because I'd like to play them much more than those stupid walrus things. I assume this is because the character models for no legs/six legs would be too difficult. Coming Second 16:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Grrr darn Blizzard then!!!!--Feldaldor

*Walks over to that crushed statue in Azshara.* "You maniacs! You blew it up! Oh, damn you! Damn you all to hell!" Seriously, I can't belive that there can be so few nagas that are fundamentally good, and that Blizzard decides to keep it that way! Seriously, there must have been a load of those who doubted the queen among those who stayed in the palace and transformed into the naga. Everybody who transformed into a naga can't be that fanatically loyal to her as the ones we have seen to far! I definitely want them playable, because at least one of them is involved in my RP character's story, and I can't move her story forward unless they become playable. Also, they are a lot hotter than some kind of humanoid Walrus. --Kulsprutejojjo 21:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh I LOVE YOU KULSPRUTE!!!!!! *Pounces* ^^Feldaldor 00:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are they loyal to Azashra at all. She has repeatedly shown herself as completly airheaded,narcistic,and self serving. There should be more that realise that she's the cause of all their problems. Zarnks 01:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)