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== Category:Historical Necromancers ==
  
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'''Zul'Aman''' is a 5-man heroic dungeon located in the [[Ghostlands]], introduced in [[Patch 4.1]]. It replaced [[Zul'Aman (original)|the original]] 10-player, level 70 raid instance introduced in [[Patch 2.3]].
   
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[[Zul'jin]], Warlord of the Amani Tribe has been slain by a group of adventurers, but a new force appears to have taken control: the Zandalar Tribe. [[Vol'jin]], leader of the Darkspear trolls has formed an opposing force in order to deny Zandalar's rulership of the Amani and will accept any aid - no matter if it comes from the Alliance or Horde.
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I removed this since Medivh never raised anyone from the dead, to my knowledge. His mother, [[Aegwynn]], however, has... But I won't spoil it for anyone. {{User:Montag/sig}} 15:38, 10 January 2007 (EST)
  
   
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Much like its original incarnation, the instance involves players fighting four avatars of the forest troll "gods": eagle, bear, lynx and dragonhawk. These gods have been channeled into the bodies of four troll warriors. After defeating the four gods, players face off against the witch doctor that called on the gods, and finally against the troll warlord himself.
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Please, Please, Please cite your sources. I've never read any of the RPG gamebooks and it's been awhile since I've seen the Warcraft: Orcs & Humans manual, but I don't recall Medivh ever being a Necromancer. I'm going to remove the references to this until I see a reference. --[[User:The Prophet|Zephead]] 22:16, 17 January 2007 (EST)
  
   
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Though the Ghostlands region is Horde territory , the area around Zul'Aman is considered [[contested]].
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::Aegwynn's actions may not be considered necromancy, but that's a debate of the finer points of magic. Prophet, we prefer you only use one username. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 23:15, 17 January 2007 (EST)
  
   
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==Description from site==
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== Explain to me... ==
  
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''The stronghold of Zul'Aman, located just south of Silvermoon, has stood for millennia as the Amani forest trolls' seat of power; until recently, it was also the bastion of the fearless, cunning warlord Zul'jin.''
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Seething with hatred against his ancient enemies in the Alliance, and spiteful towards his former allies among the Horde, who chose to ally themselves with the [[blood elves]], Zul'jin rallied an army of trolls and sealed power from the Amani [[Loa|animal gods]] within the strongest of his warriors in pursuit for revenge. Zul'jin was slain and his army scattered, but the potent magics invoked in Zul'Aman remain. Now, along with several other tribes, the [[Zandalar Tribe|Zandalar trolls]], devastated by the Cataclysm, have come to see Zul'Aman as a symbol of salvation for their people. They have traveled to the ancient forests to see Zul'jin's plan brought to fruition - and, with it, the rise of a unified troll empire, filled with godlike power and prepared to claim dominion over all of Azeroth.
   
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==Loot==
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In the [[Battles_of_the_First_War#Medivh|Here]] next was written:
  
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{{main|Zul'Aman loot}}
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"A new crisis has arisen that threatens to end the lives of all who would serve the King. The evil warlock Medivh has begun draining the soul of the land itself to increase his dark powers."
  
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I read The Last Guardian, but there was no mention about it. I presume that [[Medivh|he]] did it because of his weakness after the battle with [[Aegwynn]], but there was no mention about his draining power from the land in [[The Last Guardian|this book]]. Also, [[The Last Guardian|there]] [[Medivh|he]] was not weakened much. And why it is dangerous (Medivh's draining the soul of land)? [[User:Mardook|Mardook]]
  
   
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==Geography==
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I've always assumed that this piece of lore was retconned by [[The Last Guardian]]. The "evil warlock" plot line came from the mission report in Warcraft: Orcs& Humans. This also wouldn't make any sense if one tried to combine it with the current lore, because no one knew that Sargeras himself had possesed Medivh outside of Khadgar. --[[User:The Prophet|Prophet]] 20:07, 25 February 2007 (EST)
  
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Location: South-eastern Ghostlands. The instance entrance is hard to miss, as it is a massive troll structure with big gate. A small camp with a flight path named Hatchet Hills is found near the meeting stone.
   
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As I remember somewhere on wowwiki was mentioned that it's this kind of "draining the soul of land itself" that has made Deadwind so deadwind, converted Black Morass into Blasted Lands, and made Duskwood of part of Elwynn Forest. --[[User:Drundia|Drundia]] 18:22, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
  
   
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<Gallery>
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That is a plausible explanation. Aside from the blasted lands, which were created due to the upheaval created by the dark portal. --[[User:The Prophet|Prophet]] 17:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  
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==Dungeon denizens==
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::"Evil warlock" is inuniverse POV, and its remarked on my many characters, even a few mentions in WoW itself. The draining of the land actually gets refrenced in later sources including the RPG, although it also tied to dark magics escaping from the portal itself. But yes it lead to black morass becoming the blasted lands.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 17:08, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  
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*{{RaceIconExt|Bear}} [[Bear]]s
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*{{RaceIconExt|BogBeast}} [[Bog beast]] (One, [[Fenstalker]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Crocolisk}} [[Crocolisk]]s
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*{{RaceIconExt|Dragonhawk}} [[Dragonhawk]]s
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*{{RaceIconExt|SpawnRed}} [[Dragonspawn]] (One, [[Lord Raadan]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Eagle}} [[Eagle]]s
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*{{RaceIconExt|Frog}} [[Frog]]s (Critters)
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*{{RaceIcon|HighElf|Female}} [[High elf]] (One, [[Alyson Antille]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Imp}} [[Imp]] (One, [[Gazakroth]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Lynx}} [[Lynx]]es
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*{{RaceIcon|Ogre|Male}} [[Ogre]] (One, [[Thurg]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Serpent}} [[Serpent]] (One, [[Slither]])
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**{{Race|ZandalarTroll}}s
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*{{RaceIconExt|Wight}} [[Wight]] (One, [[Koragg]])
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*{{RaceIconExt|Wraith}} [[Wraith]] (One, [[Darkheart]])
   
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===Encounters===
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== Medivh as the Oracle ==
  
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** {{RaceIconExt|Eagle|Small}} {{NPC||Amani Kidnapper}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|Eagle|Small}} {{NPC||Amani Eagle}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|Eagle|Small}} {{NPC||Amani Kidnapper}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|ForestTroll|Male|Small}} {{NPC||Amani'shi Lookout}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|ForestTroll|Male|Small}} {{NPC||Amani'shi Protector}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|ForestTroll|Male|Small}} {{NPC||Amani'shi Wind Walker}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|ZandalarTroll|Male|Small}} {{NPC||Zandalari Archon}}
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* {{RaceIconExt|ZandalarTroll|Male|Small}} {{NPC||Zandalari Hierophant}}
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I'm not sure if this is simply a goof at blizzard, or if another explanation exists, but how do the Tauren and Night elves have "legends" of the oracle, if Medivh isn't very old compared to the history of the world? (It's possible that there was some other "oracle", that set up the inside of stonetalon peak, with the spectral bridge and such, and that Medivh just used it, but this information seems useful for the article.)[[User:Minionman|Minionman]] 14:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Nearest I can figure, there was an Oracle there, which died at some point, and Medivh replaced it. Or the Oracle was still there, allowed Medivh to use her setup and simply was never seen. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 20:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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Hmm... I think his title might be incorrect. The Wowwiki article calls him "Magna Medivh." However, "Magna" is Latin. It is also feminine. "Magnus" might be a bit more appropriate. --VampireKyn
  
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::"Magna" was never meant as a latin word, even if it was a latin word originally the meaning in WoW is entirely different. His correct title is, indeed, Magna Medivh. ~[[User:Peregrine2976 | Peregrine]]
  
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:::It is also possible that someone prophecied the coming of an Oracle and built the inside of Oracle cave in preperation for that day. There is some implication of that in Lands of Mystery IIRC.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 14:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  
   
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==Achievements==
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::::[[Azsune]] was turned to stone for mocking the Oracle's wisdom, implying that there was ''something'' there at some point. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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*{{achievementlong|Heroic: Zul'Aman}}
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*{{achievementlong|Heroic: Zul'Aman Guild Run}}
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*{{achievementlong|Hex Mix}}
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*{{achievementlong|Ring Out!}}
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*{{achievementlong|Tunnel Vision}}
   
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==Amani Pass==
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::True... I looked in Lands of Mystery and there is one of "Brann's rumors" (I.E. Adventure Seed) of a new Oracle coming out of the cave but actually just be an Eredar warlock impersonating the Oracle.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 14:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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[[File:Zul'AmanPreparationConversation.jpg|thumb]]
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Outside [[Zul'Aman]] [[Vereesa Windrunner]], [[Halduron Brightwing]] and [[Vol'jin]] have allied to combat the new threat within Zul'Aman. The following conversation plays every five minutes.
   
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:{{text|say|Silvermoon Messenger|I bring word from the [[Lor'themar Theron|Regent Lord of Silvermoon]].
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I've also been wondering about this. I think the most logical explanation is that the Oracle is a legend among the races of Kalimdor and that Medivh, knowing the legend, impersonated the Oracle in an effort to guide Thrall and Jaina to Stonetalon Mountain where they would meet and he could convince them to ally together. Since not much is known about the Oracle or the legends, we can't really make any assumptions that Medivh is more involved than that...
  
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--[[User:Anetheron589|~ Grudgham]] 15:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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:{{text|say|Silvermoon Messenger|Lord Lor'themar demands an explanation for the presence of this... exile in our lands.
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:{{text|say|Vereesa Windrunner|Quel'Thalas is as much my home as it is yours and I would not see it fall to our ancient enemy. Now, you tell your cowardly regent --}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|Vereesa, please!}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|She is here at my invitation, courier. Most of my Farstriders are away and cannot be recalled easily. Vereesa's rangers know the land and they are experienced combatants.}}
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:{{text|say|Silvermoon Messenger|Lord Lor'themar does not concur with your reasoning, ranger-general. You have no authority to invite this --}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|I am the commander of Silvermoon's defenses and I will seek assistance as I deem necessary!}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|Now, Chieftain Vol'jin, before we were so rudely interrupted, you were telling us of the Zandalari plan. }}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|Dat I was. Da [[Zandalari]] called a meeting o' all da troll tribes includin' da Darkspears.}}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|[[King Rastakhan]], he be plannin' to unite da troll tribes under his Zandalari.}}
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:{{text|say|Vereesa Windrunner|Including the [[Amani]]?}}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|Da Amani, da [[Gurubashi]], all o' dem. He be dispatchin' emissaries to every tribe.}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|My scouts have reported nothing but quiet outside Zul'Aman.}}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|Dey be holed up inside da ruined city, regroupin'.}}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|Rastakhan be callin' me his brother, but da Horde be our true brothers. We gotta stop him before he can sweet-talk da others into joinin' his empire.}}
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:{{text|say|Vereesa Windrunner|So how are we going to deal with this alliance between the Amani and the Zandalari?}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|We must prevent it from occurring in the first place.}}
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:{{text|say|Vol'jin|Dat be da plan. My men be infiltratin' da city and learnin' what dey can about da new Zandalari warlord.}}
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:{{text|say|Vereesa Windrunner|Halduron, we should combine our forces and make preparations to act on reports from the Darkspear scouts.}}
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:{{text|say|Halduron Brightwing|Agreed. Messenger, you may carry word of our plans back to Lord Lor'themar, but make it clear that I will not tolerate any further interference.}}
   
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==Quests==
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It is possible that the Guardians once knew the Oracle personally, or that the Oracle was a previous Guardian of Trisfal. Indeed this lore reguarding the Oracle in Stonetalon and Princess Aszune has plenty of room for developement. A very interesting point of lore. --[[User:InvincNerd|Invin Dranoel]] 14:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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* [[Quest:The Captive Scouts]]
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* [[Quest:The Hex Lord's Fetish]]
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* [[Quest:Warlord of the Amani]]
   
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==Trivia==
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== timeline and other retcons ==
  
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[[Zul'jin]] is the only boss of the original Zul'Aman that does not return in its new form.
   
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==Patches and hotfixes==
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can't quite place aegwynn's battle with medivh. I'm going through and adding some stuff here and there (i'm going to assume [[The Last Guardian|TLG]] retconned some of this stuff), but I don't think that was, as [[Cycle of Hatred]] tells us that Aegwynn survived her battle. I suspect it was prior to Khadgar beginning his apprenticeship to the page, the way I read page 155. comments? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
  
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* {{Patch 4.1.0|note=Reintroduced as a level 85 5-man heroic}}
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Another item I can't quite place is the fact that TLG says that Lothar cared for him, while War1 says that the clerics cared for him. I phrased it so as to seem Lothar aided in the care. Not sure where the quote for that is...<br />
  
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Still another item was the beginnings of his coma. Obviously, in the war2 manual, aegwynn states that aran was killed after Medivh awoke from nightmares, while in the book (page 100ish), it implies that Medivh began his coma then and there when the trolls attacked. I'm not quite sure how to phrase this; perhaps he was able to be awoken by his companions, but then succumbed to the coma after returning home? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 04:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
  
   
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== External links ==
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:The "battle" is detailed somewhere in the Last Guardian. The troll was a different coma (concussion, in this case) altogether, I think. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 12:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::It doesn't seem a concussion to me, but eh:
  
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::''Medivh charged, his hands flaming....''
  
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::''And caught the butt end of the troll's spear in the face, as the troll slammed the heavy haft against Medivh's jaw [...] Medivh went down. [...]''<br />He then promptly gets up, casts a half dozen spells, and precedes to fall down again.{{Cite|LG|102}} None of the symptoms in the book are symptoms of a [[wikipedia:concussion|concussion]]... Most notable about concussions is amnesia, which he certainly does not, by his part, suffer from...<br />And I found the battle between Aegwynn and Medivh, right near the end. Obviously, not eliminated. However, I moved it anyway. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 19:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::I have readded the information regarding his father's death, also noting that the info is somewhat conflicting. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 19:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::I'm not sure what you are talking about exactly, but uh, I've had a concussion before, never had the amesia symptom, but the nausia, vomiting type, dizzyness symptoms :p... Remember not all cuncussions are the same[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 19:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  
   
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::::Yup. My head and a giant, low-hanging porcelain lamp = broken lamp and concussed (look ma, I made a word!) head. But no amnesia. --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 20:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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==Length of coma==
  
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Hi, I'm not sure which one is correct, but thought I'd point out that on this page it states Medivh's coma lasted 20 years, but on the [[Aegwynn]] page, it states he awoke 6 years later.[[User:Lijakaca|Lijakaca]] 18:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Six year reference was in WC1 manual{{Cite|WC1Man|21,22}}, and possible other sources. The 20 year reference was from CoH?. I'd just explain the differences between the two stories somewhere, and add the citations.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 22:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::It could be flavor lore, the humans of the time may not have been able to count.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::I highly doubt that, the WC1 manual had a much different timeline than later sources, and it was quite specific with its years. With an additional 15 years that no longer exists in other timelines. However saying that I'm not exactly sure if WC1 manual was the only source to mention the six year coma, it might have appeared in WC2, and some of the RPG sourcebooks as well. Considering how poorly blizzard is at keeping their timelines consistent its possible that a mistake may have cropped up in CoH as well. We may never know which case it was.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::I was, in fact, serious. Bliz could explain it that way.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Eh the orcs in WC1 and II fit into the same timeline and mentioned the same number of years passing in many examples, Garona's telling and Lothar's (it wasn't "humans of hte time" but rather Lothar's journal)... Blizzard could try to use that as an explanation, but it would be highly unlikely and it would break all sense of reason... The average adult can count to their tens and twenties and even into their hundreds... Its ludicrous to believe that humans or rather Lothar himself somehow couldn't count...[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::Lothar was counting? Oh... My bad.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::20 year reference is in [[TLG]]; don't ask me to find the page. :( --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 03:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::This is why I tend to avoid using specific dates on article pages, :p... Better to mask them with terms like, decades, several years, etc...[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 15:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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==Listed name?==
  
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Uh, why is Medivh listed as 'Magna' Medivh? Magna was his mother's title; he himself is referred to as either the Prophet in [[WC3]] or as 'Magus' in [[TLG]]. Some additional support for this comes from the fact that the -a ending is generally feminine in Latin, whereas the -us is masculine. [[User:CorradinFarwind|CorradinFarwind]] 02:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Magna is [[Dwarven]] for "protector" and is the title applied to all [[Guardian]]s. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 02:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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::To clarify, as established in Cycle of Hatred.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 03:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::I think it might actually be Magnus in [[TLG]]; I'll see if I can dig it up some time. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 18:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::It's been retconned- "Magna" is the title used, regardless of gender, in Cycle of Hatred. I concede that Medivh isn't referenced as such, but Aegwynn's predecessor, Scavell, is. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 18:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::::Ah, touche. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 18:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::::Lol. TLG (see below article) calls him a Magus. We are so sad. xD. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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If Magnus is shown to be a "Dwarven" word in TLC it will be added to the Dwarven article for completeness sake, along with the page citation, even if a retcon has occured. More for indexing purposes, and historical record. As for Magus nothing wrong with that, that's just an alternate singular term for "mage", which is infact correct, :).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 15:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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== Medivh is alive article ==
  
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See http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/705/ ... some info to perhaps harvest and cite? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 03:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Argh, the article contains no dates as to how old it is. Seems kinda like old stuff. It doesn't really give any proof to the status of Medivh either. More like just a statement. As to information inside the books which might contain info of such things, I'm kinda thinking that our multiple book readers would've caught this and corrected this already. <small>ā€”[[User:Pzychotix|'''Pzychotix''']] <small>([[User talk:Pzychotix|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Pzychotix|contr]])</small></small> 04:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Aye, that article seems as hold as [[CoH]] is, which I'm pretty sure came out in 05. A while ago. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 05:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::That passage refers to Medivh's life as the Prophet. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 12:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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I'm pretty sure the article was just created. I got it via a news update - http://blizzplanet.com/news/1483/ Anyway, I'm thinking the article can be made clearer as to his life/death situation. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 15:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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"Khadgar buried the corpses of Moroes (the butler), the cook and Medivh. However, a faint image of Medivh was watching over Khadgar. Khadgar had sensed it since the first day he arrived to Karazhan after the Kirin Tor sent him to become an apprentice to Medivh.
  
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That presence was all along Medivh ... but this Medivh came from the future. Medivh talked to Khadgar:
  
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Khadgar: "So what are you in the future? Magus? Guardian? Demon?"
  
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Medivh: "Be assured. I am a better being than I was, I am free of the taint of Sargeras thanks to your actions this day. Now I may deal directly with the Lord of the Burning Legion. Thank you. There cannot be success without sacrifice."-- from Warcraft: The Last Guardian - page 304 ."
  
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:As to whether this means he is actually alive or some non-material being, we cannot say. It just refers to a "presence" who comes from the future. <small>ā€”[[User:Pzychotix|'''Pzychotix''']] <small>([[User talk:Pzychotix|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Pzychotix|contr]])</small></small> 05:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Prophet. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 00:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::Prior to war3 is when he sucked the memories out of the tower. And then he set off to save the world. Perhaps this could be added ;) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] Ā· [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] Ā· [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 06:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::The passage quoted refers to Medivh as the "Prophet" from War3... although he yet remains a mystery, as his final statement is "And now, I take my place... amongst the legends... of the past." Whether or not he actually left the mortal plane (not so much died, but just kind of faded away) or just chose not to show himself again is a mystery. For all we know, he could still be out there! Then again, for all we know, he could not. Only time will tell. ~[[User:Peregrine2976|Peregrine]]
  
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== Medivh's powers/strengths ==
  
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Can anyone clarify Medivh's true powers for me? It has been said here on WowWiki that he was an Eternal either when Sargeras corrupted him or when he "became the legendary Oracle, Medivh trancended beyond even his powers as the last Guardian to become an Eternal." But then it also talks about how none of the other guardians were Eternals. So what's the deal? [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 02:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun
  
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:Medivh is among the most powerful beings in Warcraft. His powers are magical and magical powers are fueled by 2 things, Knowledge and Aptitude. Medivh obviously has the aptitude and the knowledge he has gathered over the years (some knowledge probably straight from Sargeras himself) is unimaginable. He is at the level at which the true scopes of his powers have not or will never be revealed. All we can say is that he is really really powerful. --[[User:InvincNerd|Invin Dranoel]] 14:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Also, it is the RPG alone that claims he is an Eternal, with extremely little explanation. Also note that Guardians, as with all mages, vary in power.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 20:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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In Day of the Dragon, Deathwing states that Medivh is the only human he ever respected, and that he wouldn't have faced him willingly. That speaks volumes about his power.--[[User:Austin P|Austin P]] 03:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  
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:I still think his Eternal status has more to do with the fact that Medivh was possessed by the Eternal Sargeras at the point in time his RPG stats are set, according to the article's lore. The article only covers the period while he was alive and under possession by Sargeras. The article makes a big point about how Medivh breaks into two fighting styles, and personalities depending on who is in control. the one where Medivh is in control and the one when Sargeras is in control.
  
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::Medivhā€™s tactics are often erratic, depending upon which personality is in control at the time. Nonetheless, the common theme with both personalities is to stay at range and harass enemies with potent spells. He often casts only a few spells and then retreats for a few rounds to strike again later from another direction.
  
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:If the article was set in any other period other than the First War, when he was himself and not Sargeras, he probably wouldn't have been listed with the Eternal status.{{Cite|S&L|47}}[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 03:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Even during the Third War, long after he had been freed of Sargeras' control, he had "tremendous power about him" according to Jaina. Granted, that isn't very specific, and he never used that power... --[[User:Paulus|Paulus]] 05:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::The Interlude between chapters 5 and 6 of the human cmapaign, called "The Prince and the Prophet". --[[User:Paulus|Paulus]] 00:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::So did Aegwynn and many of the other Guardians, yet they aren't "Eternals" that is where the problem lies really.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  
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Someone recently stated that Medivh's powers were close to those of Sargeras. Just to put it out of my mind, is it possible? I mean, it doesn't seem that a council of mages could combine their powers with another powerful mage to even get close to the powers of an ex-Pantheon member. If Sargeras left behind some of his powers, would the guardian powers be enough combined with them to be equal to that of Sargeras'? [[User:Jclipps|Jclipps]] 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  
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If Medivh had access to all of the power of Sargeras, Khadgar wouldn't be walking around today. That being said, that means Medivh is powerful enough to be an Eternal on his own, and his possession by Sargeras had nothing to do with it. That doesn't explain where Medivh got worshippers though (the other requirement for the status of Eternal is worshippers.) [[User:Lckyluke372|Lckyluke372]] ([[User talk:Lckyluke372|talk]]) 22:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
  
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== Magna? ==
  
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I've never seen Medivh referred to with the Magna title. Can anyone cite this?Parqual Fintalas 15:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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: [[Guardian of Tirisfal]]? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 15:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::That's not really a citation, to be fair. I don't believe anyone other than Aegwynn has been referred to as "Magna." Parqual Fintalas 16:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::: [[Talk:Scavell]]. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 16:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::: Well, ok. But Scavell isn't Medivh. Has anyone ever seen Medivh referred to as "Magna Medivh"? Parqual Fintalas 16:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::I just find it odd that the title he possibly had is all over his article, whereas the title we've seen him repeatedly referred to with is portrayed as a secondary one. It says Magna AKA Magus, but no one's ever called him Magna. Parqual Fintalas 16:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::::: Waitasec, didn't we just have this discussion? See up above - [[Talk:Medivh#Listed_name.3F]]? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 16:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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The above post only reaffirms that no source exists calling him Magna. I suggest removing the title or putting it into a more secondary position, as no precedent has been set. Parqual Fintalas 16:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Oh for the love of....Magna is the title of all Guardians of Tirisfal, it doesn't matter if anyone actually uses this title to adress Medivh, he is(was) a Guardian of Tirisfal, thus he is also Magna. '''[[Image:IconSmall Tauren Male.gif]][[User:Stopa|<span style="color:#ff1493;">''Stƶpa''</span>]][[User talk:Stopa|<span style="color:#eecbad;"><sup>(talk)</sup></span>]]''' 10:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::I thought Cycle of Hatred called him Magna (as well as stating that Magna was the official designation for all "Guardians", meaning "protector" in Dwarven.)?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 16:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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Additionalyl "the Magus" is actually treated to be a pretty significant title for him in [[Shadows & Light]] as well.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 21:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  
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:Cycle of Hatred establishes that all Guardians are addressed as "Magna." As far as I see, that's not jumping the gun. A also point out that the points you raise for removing it can also be argued for keeping it.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 20:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Cycle of Hatred established that in a 70 year old flashback. Like I said, there's a lot a possibilities. One of them is that yes, it's a title he used. But again, no precedent has been set. It seems like a strange thing to do: use as a primary title in the headline a title that's never been used for him.
  
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::But anyway, it's clear you guys don't want to revisit the issue so I won't pursue this further. Parqual Fintalas 21:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::Granted, I think he's just referred to as Magus Medivh in [[Tides of Darkness]] novel, so it may be the preferred title for him, though he technically is "Magna". <small>ā€”The preceding [[WoWWiki:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Baggins}}.</small>
  
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::Yes he is definitetly called Magus in Tides of Darkness, not Magna. He was never technically or specifically called Magna in Cycle of Hatred either. But in anycase I'm pretty sure we can agree that latest source takes precedence.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 20:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  
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Okay, Magus take precedence over Magna, seems fair to me. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 21:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  
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::Additionally Magus is treated as a significant title in [[Shadows & Light]] as well. Essentially what we have learned is that there has been no retcon. The Last Guardian was never retconned, neither was Shadows and Light. Tides of Darkness just confirms that the material was just as valid as always has been.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 21:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  
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:::I added a citation for "Magna Medivh" from WoWInsider. After reading some of the various threads here, someone should look up some references in the novels and add citations. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]]&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 12:39 PM PST 25 Nov 2007
  
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::There is no reference to Magna Medivh in the books specifically. What you found on WoWInsider appears actually just be info that was taken from an earlier version of WoWWiki's article, as of such the citation shouldn't be used. Citations in the main section of article should actually only be limited to official sources, not fan sites.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 07:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  
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I just spotted that he is actually called Magna Medivh in his Know Your Lore article in the WoW Insider.[http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/31/know-your-lore-medivh/] -[[User:Rovdyr|Rovdyr]] ([[User talk:Rovdyr|talk]]) 14:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
  
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Read the post directly above yours.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 15:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
  
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God I feel stupid now S= -[[User:Rovdyr|Rovdyr]] ([[User talk:Rovdyr|talk]]) 13:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  
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Medivh's purpose in warcraft 3 is often misunderstood. He wasn't there to save the world. He was there to convince the mortal leaders they need to get off their asses and start doing for themselves. To stop relying on people like the guardians to come to their rescue.[[User:Tweak the Whacked|Tweak the Whacked]] ([[User talk:Tweak the Whacked|talk]]) 04:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  
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Zul'Aman
ZA
Zul'Aman loading screen
Location Ghostlands
Race(s) Forest trollForest troll Forest troll
End boss Daakara
Instance info
Type Dungeon
Advised level 85
Player limit 5

Zul'Aman is a 5-man heroic dungeon located in the Ghostlands, introduced in Patch 4.1. It replaced the original 10-player, level 70 raid instance introduced in Patch 2.3.

Zul'jin, Warlord of the Amani Tribe has been slain by a group of adventurers, but a new force appears to have taken control: the Zandalar Tribe. Vol'jin, leader of the Darkspear trolls has formed an opposing force in order to deny Zandalar's rulership of the Amani and will accept any aid - no matter if it comes from the Alliance or Horde.

Much like its original incarnation, the instance involves players fighting four avatars of the forest troll "gods": eagle, bear, lynx and dragonhawk. These gods have been channeled into the bodies of four troll warriors. After defeating the four gods, players face off against the witch doctor that called on the gods, and finally against the troll warlord himself.

Though the Ghostlands region is Horde territory , the area around Zul'Aman is considered contested.

Description from site

The stronghold of Zul'Aman, located just south of Silvermoon, has stood for millennia as the Amani forest trolls' seat of power; until recently, it was also the bastion of the fearless, cunning warlord Zul'jin.

Seething with hatred against his ancient enemies in the Alliance, and spiteful towards his former allies among the Horde, who chose to ally themselves with the blood elves, Zul'jin rallied an army of trolls and sealed power from the Amani animal gods within the strongest of his warriors in pursuit for revenge. Zul'jin was slain and his army scattered, but the potent magics invoked in Zul'Aman remain. Now, along with several other tribes, the Zandalar trolls, devastated by the Cataclysm, have come to see Zul'Aman as a symbol of salvation for their people. They have traveled to the ancient forests to see Zul'jin's plan brought to fruition - and, with it, the rise of a unified troll empire, filled with godlike power and prepared to claim dominion over all of Azeroth.

Loot

Main article: Zul'Aman loot

Geography

Location: South-eastern Ghostlands. The instance entrance is hard to miss, as it is a massive troll structure with big gate. A small camp with a flight path named Hatchet Hills is found near the meeting stone.


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Achievements

Amani Pass

Zul'AmanPreparationConversation

Outside Zul'Aman Vereesa Windrunner, Halduron Brightwing and Vol'jin have allied to combat the new threat within Zul'Aman. The following conversation plays every five minutes.

Silvermoon Messenger says: I bring word from the Regent Lord of Silvermoon.
Silvermoon Messenger says: Lord Lor'themar demands an explanation for the presence of this... exile in our lands.
Vereesa Windrunner says: Quel'Thalas is as much my home as it is yours and I would not see it fall to our ancient enemy. Now, you tell your cowardly regent --
Halduron Brightwing says: Vereesa, please!
Halduron Brightwing says: She is here at my invitation, courier. Most of my Farstriders are away and cannot be recalled easily. Vereesa's rangers know the land and they are experienced combatants.
Silvermoon Messenger says: Lord Lor'themar does not concur with your reasoning, ranger-general. You have no authority to invite this --
Halduron Brightwing says: I am the commander of Silvermoon's defenses and I will seek assistance as I deem necessary!
Halduron Brightwing says: Now, Chieftain Vol'jin, before we were so rudely interrupted, you were telling us of the Zandalari plan.
Vol'jin says: Dat I was. Da Zandalari called a meeting o' all da troll tribes includin' da Darkspears.
Vol'jin says: King Rastakhan, he be plannin' to unite da troll tribes under his Zandalari.
Vereesa Windrunner says: Including the Amani?
Vol'jin says: Da Amani, da Gurubashi, all o' dem. He be dispatchin' emissaries to every tribe.
Halduron Brightwing says: My scouts have reported nothing but quiet outside Zul'Aman.
Vol'jin says: Dey be holed up inside da ruined city, regroupin'.
Vol'jin says: Rastakhan be callin' me his brother, but da Horde be our true brothers. We gotta stop him before he can sweet-talk da others into joinin' his empire.
Vereesa Windrunner says: So how are we going to deal with this alliance between the Amani and the Zandalari?
Halduron Brightwing says: We must prevent it from occurring in the first place.
Vol'jin says: Dat be da plan. My men be infiltratin' da city and learnin' what dey can about da new Zandalari warlord.
Vereesa Windrunner says: Halduron, we should combine our forces and make preparations to act on reports from the Darkspear scouts.
Halduron Brightwing says: Agreed. Messenger, you may carry word of our plans back to Lord Lor'themar, but make it clear that I will not tolerate any further interference.

Quests

Trivia

Zul'jin is the only boss of the original Zul'Aman that does not return in its new form.

Patches and hotfixes

  • Cataclysm Patch 4.1.0 (2011-04-26): Reintroduced as a level 85 5-man heroic

External links

External link Icy Veins Zul'Aman Guide (Cataclysm, patch 4.1)


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