Talk:Illidan Stormrage/Analysis

This is Madness

I can understand Blizzard adding some of the familiar faces of Warcraft to the big WOW but for Pete's sake, allowing some unheard of Gnome with a Black Hood and glowing swords kill one of the most important characters in Warcraft Lore is mad in my oppinion...this is after he's killed Kel'Thuzad of course...and I'm sure once him and his raiding party have their fill of 'epixx', they'll go and kill Arthas...

Have Blizzard just fired Metzen and said "Screw it, we want to undo everything we just created, no matter how brilliant it was!" ~ Lord Azkera

Was there a point somewhere in that rant? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Blizzard cares more about money than their own lore. It's a sad fact, but a fact nonetheless. --Odolwa 22:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

lol, oh boy -- Raze 22:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Your statement might or might not be true, I don't really care. I know some people have issues owning up to this, but here it is: there is no lore barrier to Illidan's death.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Madness? THIS... IS... SPARTA! Sorry, had to do it. Anyway, even though lorewise Illidan and Kel'thuzad are dead, that doesn't mean that, lorewise, they were killed by Ipwnjoo, Gandoff, Drizzitt, and the rest of the Allied Federation of Chicken Fingers. -- Dark T Zeratul 00:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Dammit Zeratul you beat me to it. :) Anyways, I'm almost positive that if when we read the lore for WC4 or whatever warcraft game comes after WoW, Illidan will have been killed by Maeiv Shadowsong aided by "brave heroes" (note there is no reference to "of the horde" or "of the alliance"). ~Peregrine Faithbearer 01:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Signed. Just because x Alliance guild happened to pwn Sylvanas ( while Varimathras sat on his duff ) doesn't mean she's dead. Same applies to Illidan, and I think we can forget ever killing Kel'Thuzad due to his phylactery.  :/ --Super Bhaal 03:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Kel'thuzad was already dead. --Austin P 20:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop saying "/signed" :) There is a major difference between killing a city boss and an instance boss. I shouldn't need to describe why. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 20:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

But I WILL describe it, because people have repetitively proven to be extraordinarily dense - Killing a PvP boss without being told is just something you go and DO. Nobody tells you to, there is no reason to, so as far as Lore is concerned, you didn't. BUT with instance bosses, you are told to kill them, with an entire backstory and whatnot. ~Peregrine Faithbearer 20:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

THANK you. It's good to see some people are keeping their heads.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 01:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, since you put it that way I have come to an understanding, but still, I'm one of those people who reads books expecting clichés ( the dead guy isn't dead, the nice guy is really a slimeball, the bad guy redeems himself, and so on ), so I wouldn't put it below them to somehow escape death ( here's looking at you, Black Dragonflight ). If electronic games ( and to a lesser extent, literature ) have taught me anything, it's that characters never "die". The only person I'm against "dying" would have to be Kel'Thuzad and any other lich, due to their phylacteries ( which should be very well hidden ), as well as the fact that that one person you give Kel'Thuzad's to doesn't seem too trustworthy. ...and saying "signed" is a part of me. D: --Super Bhaal 10:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that we almost definitely haven't seen the last of Kel'Thuzad, but as for Illidan and.... well really Illidan is the only prominent one I can think of who doesn't have some clever plot twisty way to escape death. Ragnaros was simply banished back to the elemental plane, Kel'thuzad's phylactery wasn't destroyed, the being we thought was C'Thun could have just been some kind of avatar of the Old God... But Illidan is dead, rest assured of that at least! :) ~Peregrine Faithbearer 01:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a little sad that Illidan fell so far and met his end that way, but personally I think it was fitting... it tied everything up quite nicely. I agree - lore-wise, it makes sense for Illidan to have met his end. - Aladara 02:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically, as one of the other topics above already revealed.... It was Maiev who struck the killing blow. So technically its not some unknown who killed Illidan. It was Maiev + a few soldiers in the name of the Sha'tar. If we are going put this in an RTS form, it would be akin to 1 Maiev plus several unknown troops. But yea... its kind of a waste to kill Illidan of right now. Was hoping he would play a bigger role in the story --Invin Dranoel 12:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't get why Maiev got to strike a killing blow. She's as insane and evil as Illidan has ever been. --Odolwa 13:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Who said that only good, sane characters get to kill evil, insane characters? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I mean hell, I've killed VanCleef, Ragnaros, Hakkar... the list goes on. And I'm nowhere NEAR sane. *cackles* ~Peregrine Faithbearer 19:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

She was hardly evil, her stat block in S&L said she was neutral, which a lot of people ( Uther ) would view as "evil" since, "oh my goodness your morals aren't exactly like mine and that must mean you're evil, you foul, moon-worshipping elf woman!". I'd call her more of a workaholic, or just dedicated. We need to put an alignment thing on people's profile blocks ( we have gender, after all ). --Super Bhaal 20:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem is is that terms such as "Chaotic good" or "Lawful neutral" aren't going to mean anything to the average Warcraft fan. There are also a few alignments that don't seem to fit certain characters/species, going by what I know of them. --Austin P 11:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

True, but Maiev is conforming to the archetype of someone whose ideals are so stong and strict that their good is worse than evil, alignment or no. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Bear in mind that no one thinks of themselves as evil... they may not like their choices, but they will see them as necessary. Read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the phrase "For The Greater Good" pops up quite a bit in there. ~Peregrine - Master Chief FTW! 21:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

This also isn't the first time we've seen behavior like this - Kael'thas, anyone? In both cases they believed their cause was Absolutely, Completely Right and went to extremes to accomplish their goals. The phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind. - Aladara 01:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Madness? THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! {kicks the ranter into a dark abyss} Garm 15:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, now I'm more disappointed

When the player is disguised as a fel orc and Illidan sees through the illusion, he threatens his minions with a fate much worse than death if they don't succeed in killing the player for him. I'd never thought him capable of such cruelty. I hate seeing him changed from an anti-hero into a sadistic tyrant.--Illidan Rocks 11:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It could just be him in one of his moments of insanity, rather than a sadistic tyranny. Garm 15:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Well i m more disapointed in Kael'thas rather then Illidan,Illidan was always a push-over...this combined with masness lead to a cruel behaviour(in this case anyway)(Marakanis)

I agree with you Illidan Rocks, Illidan doesn't have much in common with the Illidan we learned to love in Warcraft III. He has a new voice, and his behaviour is completely new.
In Warcraft III for instance, Illidan is treating Akama and his Broken with his deepest respect, first rescuing them from the Fel Orcs, and later giving his promise that by night's end, Akama will have his revenge on Magtheridon. In WoW on the other hand, Illidan tells Akama the following: "I should have slaughtered you and malformed brethren a long time ago!".
What the hell is happening? --Odolwa 15:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Illidan "died" (or rather his sanity did) when he battled Arthas and lost, it lead to his insanity, changing his personality. IIRC, there is even a reference in TBC where Illidan thinks he won his battle with Arthas, showing the depths of his insanity.Baggins 15:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thats correct Baggins. We first got the hint he went insane from the Ahn'Qiraj gate questline when Malfurion states how his brother basically has gone mad due to his defeat to Arthas. Leviathon 15:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure Illidan has ever believed that he actually defeated Arthas. In Shadowmoon he yells: "Not even Arthas could defeat me". If defeat = death for Illidan, then he was never really defeated. And to quote the official BC-site: "Though he is the undisputed ruler of the ravaged land, Illidan lives in fear that he will be discovered by his powerful enemies - most notably Arthas, the new Lich King, and the remaining Lords of the Burning Legion".--Odolwa 17:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Illidan's attitude isn't too far out. Illidan has always been ruthless. But the morals behind his actions have always been justified (depending on your point of view). Perhaps by losing to Arthas or for fear of Kil'Jaeden coming to kill him simply stripped away what little "justification" and "morals" he had left. --Invin Dranoel 12:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

ok well i think illidan kicks so much ass. he was my favoret charector in WC3, yet what they made him into in WOW makes me kinda lose faith in the series a little. i agree with the first dude when he said its a shme to see him change so drasticly. illidan was a rational and fair person who was even kind to some people at times. blizzard made him seem lioke the useual evil bastard, yet if u played or read anything in the series then u would understand that blizzard is screwing up with illidans new persona... i know they needed a huge amazing godlike villan but why not kil'jaden or archimond or ANYONE ELSE!!! i mean illidan and his people r better then the alliance (woot Horde PWNS). w/e blizz is going to pay... ill make them pay for doing this to my personal hero.--User:stormrage1313666

Do you need the number of a good psychotherapist? No, I am not joking.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a tad rude of you, Ragestorm. Warchiefthrall 22:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Also, just thought I'd add, Illidan may be a cliche of a character, but at least he's got an ounce of depth, unlike some others I could name...Warchiefthrall 23:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)