Talk:Gilthares Firebough

High elf or blood elf?

This character uses a high elf model in the Burning Crusade beta, so the blood elf category may not be appropriate.--Aeleas 21:37, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

I agree. His status as a Horde-allied NPC is simply because he is not on good terms with the Alliance... and why would he be a blood elf anyway? He's a pirate/smuggler. It's unlikely he'd have any such allegiance, especially as it's unlikely he's been around Quel'thalas over the last decade. --Vorbis 19:13, 12 Dec 2006 (GMT)

He was a bloodelf pre 2.0.1 but now he is clearly a highelf.

He's wearing an awful lot of red for a high elf - but he definitely is one. He has blue eyes, reports to the helf in Ratchet (who's also a pirate), and has the helf voiceover. Artaxiel 07:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, he could be one of the Original Blood elves, before they turned to the fel for power, the differences between High Elves and Blood Elves where mostly cultural rather then physical and in a way they still are. The fel only changed a small part in how thier body works. Both him and his captain could be Blood elves/High elves that mistrust humans for what Garithos did, but also don't think that the way Silvermoon is run now is the right way to go. So they don't answer to either Blood Elves or High elves. Maybe not even to the title anymore and just call themselfs elfs or just the Thalo'dan privateers, named after thier captain taking on any race as one of thier members. Until Blizzard fleshes out thier storyline we don't know.

But if they don't agree with either side they probably became unaligned to either side, and just did there own Neutral thing. You have to remember Blood Elves and High Elves are different more in Culture and morals then in physique, like Germans and Danes or English and Welsh. If they left Silvermoon before the whole Fel thing happened, they would still have blue eyes. If they also think Blood Elf culture is taking the revenge thing a bit to far, then they would also be more mellow in thier talking and won't say things like "Death to all who opose us".

I think the message here is not to think so black and white. They might not belong to either faction, just as the dwarves in Booty Bay probably don't answer to Ironforge anymore (with the exception maybe of the Gryphon master) or the Tauren Fleet master to Mulgore for that matter. Besides most High elves left the Alliance after the second war, with a few of those that actually used to fight (not even all of them), choosing to remain with their new found friends. Basically this is already what now is Blood Elf vs High Elf. The split was already there after the Second war. So if he is from that period, he wouldn't have been a member of the Alliance anymore in the first place :).

--Dehnus 21:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Just because he is a high elf doesn't mean he is a member of the alliance. There are high elves part of the Shadowsworn and studying necromancy in Scholomance. We are just trying to figure out what category he fits under. As a side note- please try to work out your posts in advance instead of modifying it 10 times. You can use the "Show Preview" button to show what the changes you made look like before you make it permanent. Welcome to the Wiki!--Blayaden 16:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The edits where mostly because I saw spelling and grammar errors afterwards,and in general being new and still adapting to system. I just mend more that the catagory might be undetermined. Like the dwarves in BootyBay. If he was a member of the Blood Elves in the beginning before they started using the fell to feed thier addiction, he might still dress and act like a Blood Elf. Whatever reason he had to leave Silvermoon is just not known. Furthermore with my post I mend to say that Blood Elves are basically High elves, and that the difference is mostly cultural/morals rather then racial. Sure using the fel has changed a few things in their general racial make up, but they are only minor.

Now provided that it is mostly a cultural difference, of wanting revenge, one could rather say that he is just an Elf not belonging to either culture/faction/country/whatever. Unless he says so himself, or blizzard states he is one kind or the other. I think we can better just refer to him for what he is. A Privateer, race Elf, member of the Thalo'dan Privateers.--Dehnus 11:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

A small addendum that just sprung to my mind. He migth be a Blood elf that was jailed BEFORE they started using the Fel to feed thier addiction. His eyes would still be his natural colour, he would dislike the Alliance and would still dress in red not trying to hide it. A big difference I notice between his captain and him, is that his captain refers to the humans as zealots and more like they are a group of madmen rather then the Alliance as a whole. While he sees them as the Alliance and calls the Alliance a sham. Although I have to admit, he was a quest since before TBC, maybe back then his ship was just sunk, but now the storyline has progressed 2 more years, 1 year pre TBC 1 year Crusading.(storywise and in real life 3 year aniversery of wow). So if the quest is situated in the PRE TBC days, his ship would have sunk atleast 2 years ago (maybe even longer since there is no word on how long that captain has been there to ask you to take out the zealots). But before that he left Quel Thalas and/or Silvermoon, joined a band of privateers and sailed with them adding even more time between his home and where he is now.

He could just be a Blood Elf that never touched the Fel or simply never was allowed to touch the fel energy due to being locked up. I am sorry to make a separate edit out of this, but it just sprung to my mind, so I thought I better add it as a separete section then editting my previous text. Making it easier for the history to track.--Dehnus 13:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, now you are just overcomplicating things! There is no need to speculate that much on a minor character. He is physically a high elf in his model and voice, and makes no comments on his blood elf brethren- all we can deduce is that he is a high elf. (and technically he is not the only high elf to still wear read- since the Theramore Infiltrators do too) If we were to ask these questions for all high/blood elven npc's then I think the whole section would sink!--Blayaden 14:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh, well I just mend more or less he could just be a Blood Elf or a High Elf. If he didn't touch the fel magic and left Silvermoon before that time, he might still call himself a Blood elf. His Captain, probably atleast, calls himself a High elf. But let's just see them for what they are, ELFS. No affiliation to either group (since it is more a group name for political ideas, culture and moral then a race name) and like many NPC's just doing his own thing :D. BTW don't those Theramore infiltrator Elves wear a more Earth Tone red and black? sure they wear some red, but it is mostly not so bright and vibrant more like the red of clay and leaves of a tree. The red and black they wear is not as bright and contrasted (read clashing) as the Blood Elves usually wear, but I gues that is beside the point hehe. Sorry for this long posts, I just love the lore and have been a Warcraft fan since part 1. So I tend to get caried away with these things.

PS:His model is the same model as a blood elf, they just change the colour glow of the eyes which basically is a texture plus. --Dehnus 16:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)