Talk:Finnall Goldensword

I bet she is gonna be in dalaranCormundo 05:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily canon

I’m sure this will be controversial, but I don’t necessarily consider her canonical, and based on that we haven't really had any plans of leveraging her in the future. Uh, I think she appeared in one of the rpg books, but you know she's just not a character I have thought about, so at this point I don't really know if we are going to do much with her.-Chris Metzen

So, apparently Metzen says she is not canon. [1] (part 2 video) --WarlockSoL (talk) 05:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Saw that too. No clue how to treat this one. A note for starters. After that not sure.Warthok Talk Contribs 05:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I think its interesting to note that she started out as Daelin's daughter back in Shadows & Light (which was the question that was asked, or rather flat out stated). But Alliance Player's guide actually started moving her away from that, with a retcon denying her legitamacy as being connected to the family. So the canon of her "being daelin's daughter" is questionable, but the character as a whole maybe not. But it really depends on what Metzen decides to do in the future. ...but he's sometimes cryptic about these things...and he has said that books (novels, etc are "mostly canon[2]", thus not completely) If she isn't really Daelin's daughter she really isn't that important in the scheme of things, and certainly not important enough to introduce her to the novels. So like he says "at this point I don't know if we will do much with her" makes logistical sense.Baggins (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh you have GOT to be kidding me. He didn't say "her being Daelin's daughter" isn't canon, or "her being a half elf" isn't canon. He said, flat out, she's not canon. I don't know how it could be simpler. Omacron (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

That's what I said. She's simply not important enough to use ever. Even Metzen said she wasn't that important and he would probably never use her again (later in the interview). I.E. he does say that he has no plans to use her at this time, and will probably never use her ever again. He could have stuck with just saying she was non-canon, but he had to qualify his comment with reasons why she "probably" won't be used again (not that its set in stone that she won't be used again). He qualified this statement by saying "at this point in time". In other words he stated he could still use her, if there was a reason to use her, but he has no plans to use her the forseeable future. One might argue though that by even giving her that much of a leeway sorta contradicts his first statement that he doesn't think she is canon, instead he reduced it down to something that equates to "less than canon". His statements are sorta wishy-washy on the issue.

Even his "I don't neccessarily consider her canonical..." comment is sort of wishy-washy and weak way of making the statment. If he thinks she is completely non-canon, then he just should have came out and bluntly said, "she's non-canon & doesn't exist" and left it at that. He didn't have to try to explain reasons why he won't use the character in forseeable future. Truly non-characters should not even be given the benefit of being possible future inclusions; to even argue the possiblity of an inclusion however remote, gives the character some form of legitamacy. Statements should be firm, otherwise one risks undermining their own stance.Baggins (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like denial. This is a joke. You're writing paragraphs to twist Metzen's words to make it sound like 'I don't necessarily consdier her canonical' to mean she's canonical. But you go ahead and get it into your head that Azeroth has leprechauns and chupacabras and whatever. Just don't ever expect to see them outside of Wowwiki. Ever. --Timolas (talk) 22:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you should be firm in your statements because someone in denial could come up and twist them in a very convoluted way to support their personal beliefs, right? --Wulfang SoL (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Baggins, are you serious? He said "SHE IS NOT CANON". Clearly and fairly - SHE IS NOT CANON. What more you need? "Don't put her on WoWWiki"? Severin Andrews 22:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Removing the article simply isn't going to happen, nor should it. Like i said earlier i think the article should absolutley be updated to clearly state metzen's decision, but we can't simply deny the fact she was at one point canonical and exists(existed). Beyond that theres always archival reasons.Warthok Talk Contribs 23:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'm all for keeping a reference to her - I actually thought she was a pretty cool charcater - just don't pretend she's still canon when Metzen clearly said she isn't. --Wulfang SoL (talk) 23:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more! Don't we have tags for this sort of thing (I think the articles about the "example" characters with Scourge templates in Manual of Monsters have them)? --Super Bhaal (talk) 23:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

The way the article is currently written is the way that it should be written. The quote by Metzen with no interpretations included. Sorry beyond that there will be no "deleting" of the article. Edit: I guess I didn't make it abundantly clear, I actually don't care if she isn't canon (i'm not denying that metzen doesn't necessarily consider her canonical). The reason I don't care that she isn't canon is that all intents and purposes she has been a worthless character, she has done absolutely nothing. She isn't even that interesting, and no one has ever really utilized her, except for a one off article, and Brann talking about her. I was just trying to point out there really isn't much reason to ever leverage her (though Metzen left that ever remote possibility open in the way he worded himself). Though I also was trying to point out that its a bit contradictory to even talk of possibilities of leveraging something you don't believe exists... Of course with retcons something non-canon can later be made canon (he probably wanted to leave himself an out, if there was a need for such a character).Baggins (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)