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September 2006: As per the recent race names vote at Wowpedia talk:Writing policy#Race name case, the correct race name spelling is "draenei" and not "Draenei"

Previous discussions moved to Talk:Draenei/Archive1. This archive is mostly early lore and symantic questions questions that have since been answered. --Ragestorm (talk · contr)

Walking style (READ ME)

Once and for all: draenei cannot walk digitigrade because they do not have digits (toes) on their feet. They are considered ungulates, specifically artiodactyls, unless someone clearly states that they are not mammals. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:18, 19 January 2007 (EST)

... I just feel dumber than I did before. :P But I know for a fact that they are mammals. Just take a look at one of the females. Would the above classifications hold true for tauren as well? --  Varghedin  talk / contribs 14:22, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Tauren would be artiodactyls as well, as far as I can tell. I would assume the Draenei are mammals - or very close to it. Once you get into lifeforms from other planets, it's a bit hard to make sure they classify in Terrestrial terms. For all I know, their skin could be composed of very small scales, or they could be closer to crustaceans. It would be safest to say that they are "humanoids that share many morphological traits of mammals, but that their exact classification is unclear". --SeiferTim 15:40, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I'm leaving the article the way it is, I just wanted to make a statement to the users who keep changing to "digitigrade". An artiodactyl is an hoofed animal whose weight is held on two toes, so the tauren and draenei both qualify. Horses or zebras, for example are not artiodactyl. Draenei hooves resemble those of a goat. As for draenei being mammalian, you can clearly see in Reign of Chaos that Archimonde's skin is scaly, but that might not mean anything.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:21, 19 January 2007 (EST)

They have hair, which means they can't be reptilian. And they are (most probably) endothermic "warm-blooded". Not to mention that only mammals have hooves. And besides all that, there's the undeniable presence of breasts. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 19:59, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe just "Humanoid" ? In WoW there are true and very powerful gods that designed their children. Intelligent design applies totally.--K ) (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Or we could try and give up on classifying an alien creature with specific Terran (heh) species terminology? They are neither mammals nor reptiles, but we can describe them (in the article) in terms of both. i.e. "they have mammalian qualities, such as..." User:Kirkburn/Sig 20:08, 19 January 2007 (EST)

To summarize, any changes back to "digitigrade" will be justifiably reverted. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:24, 19 January 2007 (EST)

all a mamal is is an animal that has hair, brest feeds and gives live birth (not eggs) there definatly mamals unless they somhow they they dont do one of those which im pritty sure they fit all requirements. (i suck at spelling so... yah)user:stormrage1313666

Technically speaking, all mammals must share a common ancestor. The "hair, breast feeds, viviparous" bits are just indicators.Jokarna (talk) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Three words for you then - Duck Biled Platypus. They're fictional alien/demonlike/humanoid things, don't try to think about it too much is my advice. --AmrasCalmacil 16:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Dranei Facial "Tendrils"

It should then also be noted that the facial tendrils on the males—from what I can tell—are not "tentacles," but barbels. —Qit el-Remel 12:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

They are tentacles by definition. Barbels are completely different things, and are mroe specific in both their location and purpose. It's better to leave the more generic tentacle term. Reverted. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  12:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Only if you hold with the notion that only fish have "barbels" (which is akin to the notion that only birds have "talons"). And only if the similar structures on a male naga's face are also "tentacles." —Qit el-Remel 09:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Tentacles are not required to have movement or a tactile function. Barbels are specifically used for tasting for food. There is no hint of evidence for them being used as barbels, so they are not. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  11:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I refer again to male naga. What do they have on their faces?

The dictionary definition of "tentacle" actually does specify movement and/or tactile function. And I've only found only one dictionary definition of "barbel" which states a specific purpose—although all, admittedly, state that they are sensory appendages and use the term strictly in reference to fish. (The words derive, incidentally, from Latin terms meaning respectively "to test or feel" and "beard or whisker.")

If anything, the proper term is "tendril" (Latin tendere, to stretch or extend). They don't seem to serve any purpose whatsoever, except to make your character look unusual. (I'd draw a comparison to Twi'lek "head-tails"—but, according to Wookieepedia, Twi'lek "head-tails" aren't just for show.) —Qit el-Remel 12:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Those definitions are wrong then. Also do not use literal translations as definitions.

Since when did this becomw a discussion for naga? This is the Draenei talk page.

Tendrils are closer to barbels in their definition as well as also being limited in what they apply to (plants), and are even more inaccurate a description in this case. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  16:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I was not using literal translations "as definitions." I explained the dictionary definitions before stating word origins. But because you know more about proper terminology than any lexicographer, you chose to dismiss them out of hand.

And I mentioned naga because male naga—which resemble Chinese dragons; and yes, that is significant—have fleshy whisker-like structures on their faces, similar to those on male draenei. (Thank you for bothering to read my replies.) —Qit el-Remel 03:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all, we aren't certain exactly how large these appendages are (which would greatly assist up). Zeal, unless draenei/eredar can actually control their movements, these growths can't be tentacles, which are muscular hydrostats, subject to concious control by the organism. Qitel, unless you can prove that these growths are used for tasting, or that the draenei evolved from sea creatures, they can't be barbels. Asian dragons don't enter into this situation at all. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

There was a reason why I mentioned Asian dragons, but I won't go into it. And this is why I was willing to compromise with "tendril." —Qit el-Remel 04:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The only problem with that is that draenei aren't plants. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't confuse common usage with narrow definition. Despite what Zeal may claim, the term "tendril" isn't restricted to plants. —Qit el-Remel 04:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

It is restricted to plants if you do your research and stop asuming i'm attacking you and dismissing your arguments at a whim. Common usage is infact to apply it to anything, which is incorrect, so don't confuse your lack of understanding with mine. I did read your replies, but you bringing male Naga in to justify yourself was irrelevant so i did not comment on it. You then seemed to take that and move the whole dicussion to male Naga only which baffled me. If you want to dicuss Naga, then do so on it's talk page please.

Ragestorm a muscular hydrostat can exist without functional control as is often the case when it would no longer serve a function as a creature evolves above a need for it but still retains it. The appendage is still a muscular hydrostat in design, it can just no longer function as far as we can tell. Tentacle is a broader definition and thats why i used it because theres no proof of it being a barbel and it's certianly not a tendril. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  09:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Here are the flaws in your argument, Zeal: I am doing my research (and it's fairly clear to me that you are not doing yours). The lack of understanding is on your part. And you are dismissing my arguments at a whim.

And if you think that my mention of naga was "irrelevant," it's clear that my reason for bringing them up went right over your head. —QitelRemel 13:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Think what you like, don't learn, i won't loose sleep over your inabilities. I know what i have and haven't done correctly in regards to this, and if you want to dispute that i suggest pointing you accusations at a wall. Besides, i know what you were trying to get at with mentioning Naga, but the fact was it wasn't relevant as it's an entirely different race and set of appendages to talk about. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  14:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

You won by default; feel free to gloat. You're still wrong. —Qit el-Remel 06:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Zeal's final point is true. So, here is the final verdict <Ragestorm enters Head Bookkeeper Mode>: Given that we know nothing of Eredar evolution, we cannot prove exactly what sort of appendages they are. As an agreement cannot be reached, I rule that the current structure of the article take precedent. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Blue blood?

I'm not familiar with any of the novels, but I wasn't aware of the draenei having blue blood - during a couple of the in-game quests, in the draenei starting area, some of the blood elves refer to them as blue blooded, but it was used derogatively, like someone would use cold blooded for someone who is considered dispationate, or evil... --SeiferTim 10:41, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Uh, did you purposely miss my above comment? ;) It's mentioned many many times in Rise of the Horde, spattered all over the shop User:Kirkburn/Sig 10:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Rise of the Horde describes their blue blood in tragic and gory detail. The blood elves are using the term "blue-blooded" in the same way that some people refer to European (specifically English) aristocracy, meaning the same thing as the phrases "above the salt", "at the upper end of the table" or "a cut above the rest". That it happens to be literally true is a happy coincidence. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:59, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Fair enough ;) I guess I'll have to read those books now. --SeiferTim 14:37, 23 January 2007 (EST)

I heartily recommend them! I'm onto the RPG books now. User:Kirkburn/Sig 15:06, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, gods, you've succumbed.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:48, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Scientificaly, we all have Blue Blood. It turns red when it touches oxygen. And it actully is clear when it is first "produced" in the heart. Acjpb 05:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I refer you to wikipedia:Blood#Color for a thorough debunking of that. We don't have blue blood, it's not clear, and not produced in the heart. If you remove all the cells or look at it under enough magnification, yes, it is transparent. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 06:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Ermm our blood never had any chance to be Blue since we constantly have oxygen in our body & Red Blood cells are produced from the Bone Marrow, the Heart simply pumps it throughout the body system. About the Draenei blood being blue, I believe the novel (Rise of the Horde) mentioned it to have cobalt unlike ours (and Orcs, Drawves etc) which has iron thus resulting in the different colours. I can't imagine what Demon blood has to make it icky, gooey green.--Brashxon 06:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Green blood means it uses copper. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

not sure but i think our blood is red because of hemoglobin (or somthing like that, again i suck at spelling) but we allways have oxygen in our blood thats what its for as Brashxon said so unless you either dont need air of play the choking game a lot its probably red user:stormrage1313666

Copper based blood is a likely candidate for Draenei blood (as opposed to Cobalt) because (1) It's blue when oxygenated, not green as stated above (2) There are real life examples of creatures with copper based blood. See this article on Hemocyanin (the copper version of Hemoglobin).

The blue blood is actually confirmed in-game, and not verbally: If you're playing a draenei and are hit by a mob's normal attack, the "blood spatters" will be blue. (Although, misleadingly enough, "blood spatters" for special attacks are always red.) —Qit el-Remel 09:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Draenei Racial Ability - Gift of the Naaru

The draenei's racial ability is called [Gift of the Naaru], not Blessing of the Naaru. [1] --SeiferTim 11:19, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Sorry, wasn't paying full attention.. i thought the change was going the other way >_o; --User:Zeal/Sig 11:46, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Not a problem :) I hadn't even noticed that it was wrong until I started working on the draenei quests... stupid synonyms. --SeiferTim 11:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

What weapon is this?

File:Draenei Paladin.jpg

A draenei Paladin

I know that discussion is reserved for discussion of information of the actual article, but I have not yet found an answer. Is this a weapon that has already been released? If so, what is it? (Sern 22:03, 31 January 2007 (EST));

I believe it's Hammer of the Naaru. --Maenos 22:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Also, it could be the Oathkeeper, I don't know, I haven't played WoW for a bit. ~~Battm7 19:35 28 November 2008 (EST)

What is the armour set this draenei is wearing? Is it the same as the Draenei on the Burning Crusade box? If you could figure out what armour set this is let me know. Thanks

It's Justicar, the Paladin Tier 4. Also, don't forget to sign your comments. --Maenos 23:02, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Do u play WOW? If not maybe you can still answer this. Were do you get the Justicar set? how do i sign my coments just -- then my name?

You can acquire the pieces of Justicar by getting the correct tokens that drop from Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, and Magtheridon. Check out Tier 4. As to how to sign your comments, yeah, just do -- and then follow how I (and the others) type things out. --Maenos 19:55, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Er, by that you mean type ~~~~, of course. User:Kirkburn/Sig2 20:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Actually, I meant type it out manually. Had no idea typing in ~~~~ did all that. Learn something new every day, heh. And Greg, check out Tier 5 --Maenos 22:46, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

ok thnaks alot. I've heard there is a tier 5 but i have never seen any if u have a link that i can look at them please link thanks -- Greg 9:08pm, 11 March 2007

thx for the tier 5 link they look awsome. anyone here now anything about rogues or for that matter all classes. if u can help me out i would like that thx. if u have MSN thats probably easier. mines do_you_know_me_cause_i_know_u@hotmail.com -- Greg 9:49, 17 march 2007

Accent

Which accent do they have? Especially females... Hirurg 02:28, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Whenever people ask these sort of things, I just say "it's a draenei/troll accent". If I had to wager a guess it probably inspired from Russian.--Zexx 13:11, 24 February 2007 (EST)

In the French version they no doubt have a Russian accent. And for the Troll resemblance, it's just because Draeneï are space Trolls =)--K ) (talk) 13:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)

I would say less Russian and more generally eastern European. I could point out about a half a dozen eastern European/former Soviet bloc countries that share cultural similarities to the draenei. User:Montag/sig 01:14, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Heh, being a Russian, I always thought they have German accent. Rowaasr13 07:07, 7 March 2007 (EST)

I'm German ;-) Its either Russian or Polish

LemonBaby 12 Feb 2007

Listen to some of their words. "Chronakai kristos" or something to that effect. It sounds like Greek, and the accent sounds like a northeastern Greek (I should know, plenty of people in my family sound that way). Omacron 23:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

And I'm Russian :). None of russians with either good pronunciation or bad accent I ever heard speaks English like this. I like female draenei phrases very much and when I copy her I have to emulate this accent, so no, there's no way it is Russian. And, I like Omacron's idea - it sounds interesting. Rowaasr13 06:50, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

"Battlecruiser online!" Ok, now...the captain in Blizzard's Starcraft was obviously an homage to Captain Gloval/Global from Robotech/Macross [2]. He is ethnically Russian. So we can extrapolate that the voice actor used in Starcraft was emulating Gloval's poor Russian accent, and the Blizzard voice actor (probably the same one...) was emulating the Battlecruiser captain's voice. Clear as mud? Ok. // Silus 08:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Funny Omacron, Im Greek too! :) But I dont really think they sound Greek at all. Well not necessarily, they have basically have the accents of all the Balkans races, and Russia. Though Chronakai kristos sounds Greek. Kind of like Kala kristuyano (Merry Christmas). Sorry I dont know how to spell it, I dont really know Greek too well yet. Thinking about it, Chronakai kristos sounds even more like Christos anesti (Happy Easter)Mr.X8 20:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Mr.X8 01:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, now you say it, many of them have greek names.--K ) (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know they seem to have the whole "Hollywood gypsy accent and thing" going on, in some ways, vagabonds in space, :p...Baggins 07:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

If you listen closely there is an R on the end, mor of a "Chronakai kristor".--SWM2448 01:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. It could just be there accent. Being I am an tradtionist Catholic, it sounds very latin, and latin derives from greek. I would guess it kristo is a reference or pun to Christ, chronakai probably means be with you or praise. I am not quite sure, I don't know greek, and I am sure they wouldn't say any christian word. I am sure it is related though. Wikipedia says it is a mix between russian and persian, which makes sense, I can pick up both accents. Acjpb 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Well since we're talking about origins, thalassian is partly a Greek word. thalassa is Greek for the sea. And I never admitted they have Greek names because A.) Chronakai kristor is a greeting B.) It only sounds like it Mr.X8 03:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The accent sounds Eastern European to me. My automatic thought was Russian, but it occasionally drifts into the Mediterranean area. —Qit el-Remel 02:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I've always thought it was Greek myself. -- Dark T Zeratul 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It does occasionally sound Greek, especially on the aforementioned greeting. (And Prophet Velen's accent, specifically, usually sounds Greek.) —Qit el-Remel 13:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it sounds Norweigan with a hint of Japanese. Thats just my opinion though. --AmrasCalmacil 16:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion it's mix of slavic accents. I'm from Poland and I've been to Slovakia and Russia. I can tell you it's certainly not Polish, nor Slovakian, nor Russian accent. :) --LimeSherbet 19:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Draenei Shamanism

Under the "Culture" section, it is mentioned that "Recently, Shamanism has made an appearance among the draenei, in the teachings perpetuated by the Broken Shaman Nobundo, a member of Velen's inner circle." And yet in Rise of the Horde, wasn't it mentioned that there were draenei shaman in the hunting parties that were being attacked by the orcs? ..... --Davel 15:29, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Not that i recall. You're probablhy thinking about how it explains Orc Shamans are involved in the hunting parties attacking the Draenei. The Draenei only discovered Shamanism through Nobundo after they left Outland. --User:Zeal/Sig 15:41, 23 February 2007 (EST)

I just finished reading the novel, and the narrative very clearly described the draenei magic as being distinctly unlike that of the shaman. {Brawndo 17:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)}

Here's the description of the spell (from RotH, p. 38):

"Suddenly the sky was filled with lightning. But this was unlike any lighting Durotan had ever seen invoked by a shaman. Blue and white and silver energy crackled around the ogre, swirling about it and closing in on it like a net."

I can't think of any class right off that does anything like that. It could, however, be a description of a mage spell from the Arcane school—as seen through the eyes of someone completely unfamiliar with magi, and allowing for creative license, that is...
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 11:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

remember, Draenei have been around for a long time, recently can be 200 years for all we know.

Nobundo wasn't contacted by the elemental spirits until after Draenor exploded, thus the Draenei have been practicing shamanism for less than twenty years. -- Dark T Zeratul 00:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Pewpewlazorz?

Rise of the Horde tells that Velen was already respectful towards shamanism at the time.--K ) (talk) 11:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Childhood's End

I wonder if the Draenei are based on the Overlords in the book CHildhood's end? They are these aliens that look like demons but are good

i think blizzard ripped them selves off in a way cuz i think they are based off the protoss from starcraft. if not they are at least very similar in many ways. also just cuz there on alliance do not mean there good (although not bad) user:stormrage1313666

Draenei female appearance

The Draenei females in this picture [3] looks much more impressive then the ones ingame. Do they have the forehead plate in the lore or is this just concept art? Zarnks 03:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what Draenei females look like if you were to meet one. None of the in-game models look exactly like the real appearance. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

So this is like the elvish female trolls. Zarnks 21:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

???--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm talking about the female trolls looking like elves. Personally I would rather play as the female draenei in that picture rather then the dull ingame who look more night elves then draenei. Zarnks 05:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Proof Draenei & Trolls are related! I KNEW IT MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!--K ) (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

well im not sure where i read it or if it was fan fiction or what but it said that the night elves thousands of years ago were a tribe of nocturnal trolls who gained powers when they were warshiping at the well of eternity. they evolved over thousands of years to become night elves. it was on world of warcraft.com i think, but it does account for the simaler physical appearence. also in WC3 there were alot of trolls with shadow meld and things to that effect.user:stormrage1313666

found it on wow.com direct quote from blizzard"Little is known about the night elves' precise origins, for their race was formed so long ago that no hard evidence has surfaced to prove or invalidate this theory. All that is known for certain is that a tribe of nocturnal humanoids came to live on the shores of the first Well of Eternity, and the Well's cosmic energies changed them into the night elves we know today.

Certainly many trolls do believe that the humanoids who developed into the night elf race were trolls. The theory does have some credibility, for there is at least a superficial physical resemblance between trolls and night elves. Furthermore, the troll race dominated much of ancient Kalimdor--the only continent on Azeroth before the Great Sundering--long before the night elves came into power.

Nevertheless, many night elves find this theory preposterous and abhorrent. They are quick to point out that the first night elves began their rise to power by defeating a number of nearby troll tribes. As a consequence, the trolls came to fear and respect the might of their new rivals. The troll theory of night elf ancestry may have been a direct result of this early conflict. The trolls hated the night elves--a sentiment that persists to this day--and may have wished to marginalize the night elf race and its accomplishments. Also, attributing the night elf race with a troll heritage likely helped the trolls come to terms with their own shocking defeat.

Without additional data, there is little point in debating the merits of this controversial theory. No doubt it will remain a matter of contention for years to come." as for the dranei there decendants of eridar (idk the spelling) user:stormrage1313666

indirectly responsible for the orcs corruption

Overly long discussion moved to Talk:Draenei/Analysis.

Architecture

1: it is not "wild speculation" It is speculation and I noted as such. But my descriptions of the architecture styles are backed by numerous proofs from in-game.

• Brown and black layers are fully visible in structures that are destroyed, as well as standing ones.

• when sections of this material are broken, it resembles rock-like fractures. Since it is highly doubtfull that all dranei towns are CARVED from mountans (evidanced by the color of rock surrounding shatterath is compeltely diffrent from the color rock surrounding Telaar yet all draenai strucuters are identical); this suggests some sort of artifical rock substance that can be molded.

• Inexplicable cystal points sticking out at angles that match the curvature of the wall they jut from suggests it is some kind of support beam. Also, these crystals can be seen at the inn in telar on the second floor, creating an X shape that spans the entire ceiling. This also sugesses its use as a support structure.

• Cleavage in the middle of the individual compartments seen from the outside of buildings suggest that they are two identical walls that touch at this clevage point. This is further indicated when one views the inside of dranei structures, and there is not anywhere a wall connects directly with another wall withought being bridged by the ceiling.

• there are no isolated rooms in draenei structures. Each is simply one large room with smaller rooms brancing off. THis indicates a stacking of compartments. This is also supported by the fact that Draenei structures are symetrical by compartment, but asymetrical as a whole.

• The black portions of structures are always "under" the brown protions. This suggests it being needed as support.

• the Brown portions are the only portions used to Bridge large gaps, example, the draenei forge, as well as pattios and decks that extend over cliffs. this suggests the brown portions are lighter. Also, the brown portions are those with the larger, deeper "scale" cuts, this indicates that it is an easier material to carve.

• Instead of repairing damaged structures, inhabitants choose to Add on to them. This indiacates they are difficult to repair, even for the powerful narru of shatterath.

There are more points, but this outlines the basic ideas.

2: Why is spectualtion removed, instead of altered. There is a reason for the speculation note. MOST of what is on this wiki is infact speculation. Unless you can definitavelty prove anything.

Rampage29 2:14 am 7/21/07

It was removed because it is fan fiction. We allow speculation on certain matters - but not outright fan fiction. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how this is fiction, every idea I formulated Came from in-game elements, and I was kind enough to list some of those points above. You need to do far more removal on this wiki if you dont allow for logical deduction off of in-game information.

I admit that I may be wrong, but no one has listed points to prove as such, Instead of investigating the issue yourself, you are simply assuming its complete fiction. You are disrespecting my work and I do not appreciate that.

If it needs to be re-worded to display the logical facts better, than say so, or do so. Rampage29 13.13pm 7/21/07

It would need a major reword to talk about the idea or the deductions, not to talk about it as if it is fact. Speculation isn't an excuse to add fan fiction, it is for discussing things that are uncertain. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 17:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

well this is a little off topic but not only do the dranei buildings but also the dranei themselves resemble in many ways the protoss from starcraft. they both have crystal like buildings, they have inverted legs with an extra joint, both have superior technology compaired to other races, and have simaler skin... kinda. it seams both races utilize crystals in many ways. just an observation user:stormrage1313666

Fangs?

The main Draenei page says that draenei lack the fangs of Eredar. Yet, in game, if you watch their faces up close (I've only played female draenei, so I'm not sure about the men) while they're telling a joke, for example, it appears that they have fangs. Has anyone else noticed this? --PallyEleana 23:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've seen a couple of stills in draenei males that look like that- to my eyes, it looked like the "fangs" were the molars, seen because of the angle and how hard the target was laughing. Image resolution made it look like fangs. That could be what you're seeing, if you're looking straight at them. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. :) --PallyEleana 16:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Buildings

Though current in thier eredar draenei. Draenei buildings are very futiristic but in warcraft 3 and the website,their buildings are primitive. ""while the inquisitive draenei built crude cities within the world's towering cliffs and peaks[http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter3.html ]." Seems like I found a retcon. Zarnks 03:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The primitive cities still exist they are Broken draeni and Lost One draenei settlements.Baggins 03:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The website description is way before the Broken(lame) and lost ones came into existance. Zarnks 03:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Before you edit Baggins remember they were uncorrupted draenei at the time. In the new lore they only build crude villiages when they are broken and weren't described in Rise of the Horde. Zarnks 03:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

What futuristic buildings are you referring to? not Exodar I hope, that's a naaru building. Not sure but I think Draenei buildings are like Shattrath and Altar of Sha'tar, and they're not that futuristic. --Raze 04:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Shattrath is extremely fancy with lights,far from crude. Even their totems are futurisitic. If no one has any real issue with this I'm goig to add it to retcons. Zarnks 04:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Go to a Shattrah inn, they are quite oddly shaped and is possible to be described as crude. --Raze 04:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Oddly shaped does not equal crude. Crude means shoddily made or primitive. Zarnks 05:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

They look like they are made of clay, who knows whether it is primitive or not. The point is, there is not enough difference to be worth noting. --Raze 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Warcraft III and website are describing the draenei as seen in Warcraft III, the draenei Akama lead. Broken or Lost Ones either way their buildings are crude in comparison to the uncorrupted draenei, and they still have that more primitive building style. It hasn't changed for those kind of draenei.Baggins 05:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

"Draenor was as idyllic as it was vast. The noble orc clans roamed the open prairies and hunted for sport, while the inquisitive draenei built crude cities within the world's towering cliffs and peaks. " This was before the orcs were corrupted and before the broken and lost ones were created. It is specifically describing uncorrupted draenei. Their archeitecture is not crude at all,so its obviously a retcon. Zarnks 05:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well now it depends on one's point of view.They do look a bit crude from my point of view(and others too)......also if you watch from afar Shatrath or fly over it with a flying mount you kinda get the ideea that it has crude arhitecture .........so i don't think it's a retcon(Marakanis)

Of course it was a retcon... we knew it was a retcon since the draenei where first announced. Saimdusan (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Blue blood

That bit about the Draenei having blue blood as a result of cobalt is utter trash and entirely unfactual. First, iron ions in the oxidation state they can be found in the blood in (2+) is black or dark green, not red. Second of all, the color comes from the coordination complex of heme binding to iron.

Organisms that do have blue blood, such as certain arthropods, obtain the color from the copper-containing hemocyanin, which may or may not be the oxygen transporter used by Draenei.Sb27441X

I don't even think there is cobalt in WoW or the Warcaft universe Mr.X8 03:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure cobalt has an obscure mention or two, but that's irrelevant.Baggins 04:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Given that most of the same physical and chemical laws apply, it's safe to assume that cobalt at least exists. I very much doubt that that these races don't' live in a nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere, and water is still made with two hydrogen molecules to an oxygen molecule. So yes, cobalt would exist in the warcraft universe, though as we've now been informed, it may not be the oxygen-binding agent in draenei blood. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I bet right now with all the problems at Brewfest, the new expansion coming, and all the other stuff, cobalt is probably the last thing on their minds. Mr.X8 02:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think that the line in the article was speculation by users. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Kinda funny that the new ore in wotlk is going to be cobalt.... --Lou-Saydus (talk) 21:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Clear and undeniable proof they have fangs.

[4] Zarnks 23:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That is certainly official, but dipictions vary. Anyone remember the confusion about protoss chins?--SWM2448 01:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't remind me. As I recall, the jury is still almost out on that one. Still, this image is better proof than those screenies. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally. Art of Horde owning Alliance. I'd say that's a strong argument for fangs. --- Zexx 00:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Horde owning Alliance, pshaw. DPS taking out unsuspecting squishie, you mean... —Qit el-Remel 15:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Fangs are simply oversized canines, but i'd have to say that "oversized" is a relative terms in comparison to the person's incisors, not the average human's. In this case because of the such large incisors, the Draenei's canines are relatively normal in size, similar in scale to that of a human imo, and not the oversized ones you see on other races. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  23:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if I'd out-and-out call 'em "fangs," but those are certainly some sharp little teeth. —Qit el-Remel 09:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe those are called canines. --Lou-Saydus 23:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The human model's teeth are not visible at all, leading one to believe that those of the draenei model are intended to be considerably sharper and more prominent. (And what, exactly, do you think "fangs" are?)
User:QitelRemel/Sig 21:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I do believe you're right, on both counts. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Dimorphism

I'm surprised that the glaring gender dimorphism hasn't come up in discussion—especially considering that the only race that has the draenei beat in that category would be the naga. I mean, the males are huge and beefy and have barbels; the females are sleek and fine-boned and have horns.

Now, don't get me wrong; I'm not going to gripe about the dimorphism the way that some people have. I actually think it makes them more interesting. But it's equally interesting that it wasn't so much as mentioned in the article! —Qit el-Remel 15:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Umm... the dimorphism is in the article, though the word isn't used. Try the appearance section.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah. It's still fairly limited and sketchy—not a mention of how the females are about the same height as the males, but about a third the mass, for example—but not as limited and sketchy as I could have sworn it was before. —Qit el-Remel 05:07, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Point of note, you said that one of the signs of dimorphism was "horns", however males can have horns too, they just don't get the same horn varieties that females do.

For tauren both can have horns, but don't get the same horn types either. But certainly don't have nearly the level of dimorphism as draenei.

Trolls have pretty interesting dimorphism too.Baggins 05:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

All female draenei have horns. Most male draenei don't.

All trolls are tall, wiry, and long-limbed, with two-toed feet and three-fingered hands. All trolls have tusks and big noses. The difference is that female trolls have better posture; they wouldn't be quite as tall as the males if the males didn't slouch; their big noses are merely prominent rather than beak-like; and their tusks are reduced to the status of Cute Fangs™. (I won't get started on the infamous "pretty face." Some people call it the "elf face;" I say that it just looks young, and that any resemblance to elves is easily ameliorated by giving her bigger tusks. But that's what makes horse races.)

Pre-release versions of the game featured female trolls (and tauren) who looked much more like the males. Their appearance was changed to appease the fans. AFAIK, the uncorrupted/unmutated draenei have always been highly dimorphic. (My minor annoyance is that there are some skin tones that are only available to either male or female draenei. But...oh, well.) —Qit el-Remel 05:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Female trolls do not have "big noses", actually they have more night elf like noses. Male troll noses stick out very far. Female trolls are also somewhat skinnier than males.Baggins 05:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone besides me find it funny that we've been talking about troll noses? --Blayaden 05:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I went in and took a look at some of my characters. Female trolls' noses are kind of aquiline—narrow, sufficiently longer than a nelf's that it's noticeable in profile, and have a much higher bridge—but they've mainly just got long heads.

The sexual dimorphism among trolls actually has some precedent in folklore; although male trolls were always described as "ugly," female trolls were often attractive by human standards. (Draenei, on the other hand, have no precise mythical/folklore background.)

And the answer is: Kind of. —QitelRemel 06:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Have a minor note on it the Draenei controversy page. Zarnks 07:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Communism?

I dont know about you, but doesn't it seem like Draenai are communists? I mean, there accent, there 1 permenent leader, no clear elective positions. I dont know, it just seems that Draenai are communists. Dont you think? ---Quinn' Tonstern

Seems more like a theocratia or a gerontocratia to me : the leader takes his power from God himself (as Velen is the Naaru's greatest friend, and no I don't consider Draenei as heathens) and is among the eldest. Everyone is currently at war, so nobody is thinking about elections. What's more, big categories don't apply (I do think so) for such a few number of citizens who move from their planet every two hundred years or so.--K ) (talk) 00:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

--- 1: What the fudge is theocratia or gerontocratia? 2: In american history, elections were actually the most poising question during them. 3: Even humans have mayors in their towns, so they had to have had an election somewhere. 4: I know they aren't heathens, but I found more ways of how they're commies:

1: They have space ships!!! (The great space race during the cold war)

2: They brought animals on there space ships! (Like the first animal was a Russian Dog)

3: They currently are friended by Furbolgs (the animal of the Soviet Union was a Brown or Grizzly Bear)

4: Still their accent

5: They are preparing for a war that may or may not ever happen (Cold war anyone?)

The only thing I can find that goes agianst my though is that they have a religion. Also, the Draenai have many allies, like the Furbolg, certain Lost and Broken one, Narruu, and even the Blood Elves of Aldor, also the alliance. Doesnt this seem like the mix culture that can be found entirely in every part of Russia? ---Quinn' Tonstern

Have to step in here for a minute. They have 1 leader for ages, because he is a PROPHET. You don't tell a prophet to GTFO and let some one else take over. The US also has space ships, try telling them they're commies. When you move to another place, don't you bring your pets? Canada is kinda known for bears too, and they're too friendly and happy to be good communists. They've lived on a million worlds, who says their accent is really Draenei? Maybe it's something they picked up somewhere. Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of eastern european countries with a more "draenish" accent then russia. Are all those countries commies now? You're provoking a war dude, be careful. And then the accent itself, not a single country can say "Hey! That's us!" same as the dwarves have a mix of Irish and Scottish, and not a direct accent. (Ask any Irish or Scotsman, they'll rant on for hours how it's not them and totally wrong.) So lets dismiss the communism comment shall we? Every race only has 1 leader, with the humans it's the same royal family, in the horde it's the man with the biggest axe who takes charge. And the draenei worship the light and thus follow their prophet, makes more sence then the axe thing if you ask me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A058227 (talk · contr). 19:29, January 3, 2010

Not sure why you're jumping into the middle of a 2 year old conversation. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:39, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

1) Read what I wrote, for f's sake. Gerontocratia is a system where the elder rule, and theocratia is one that gives power to priests.

2) In American History elections were but a insignificant detail compared to the whole differences between the USSR and the USA. This is not relevant. And there is no need for democracy when a people suffers from genocide.

3)The Draenei just settled, dammit! Give them a rest. And there are high priests and leading paladins in every draenei settlement as of now.

4)1) Hey, the Americans had space ships too, that didn't make them communists.

4)2) Wow, nice one. But the Soviet spatial programs only involved humans without animals or animals without humans, whereas the Draenei brought animals along with them (you see, why would they abandon their pet moths and elekks while they could carry them?).

4)3) That is a retarded statement, the Furbolgs existed on Azeroth a while before the idea of starship troopers draenei hit Blizzard's twisted minds, and Night Elves are friends of the Furbolgs as well (who'd ever dare call them communists?).

4)4) Having a Russian accent doesn't mean you're a communist. AT ALL. Communism is an ideology, not a race, neither a country nor a civilization. Most communists nowaday live outside Russia, and back when the Eastern block was under Communist influence there were still many communists who couldn't speak Russian at all (French, Chinese, Spanish, English, American, German, Italian, Southern American communists for instance).

4)5) Sorry Quinn, that is wrong. The war is already happening, and has been for 150 years now. It is in no way a cold war because it has started a while ago and kills hundreds of demons and humanoids every day.

To put the lid on it: try to get the difference between communists and Russians. Russian people are among the most religious on Earth (that's why they are called Orthodox Christians).--K ) (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't true commies can't even own property, animals, etc.?   Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 16:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The true economic system of Communism (which is a somewhat separate entity from the political one the West is familiar with) is rather complicated, in spite of what Marx said. I think it's safe to say that Kirochi wins this round.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I know that in socialism everything is distributed as a free resource, but I'm not sure if thats the same in communism. Despite this arguement being settled I would like to point out that in communism there is supposed to be no leader, and that there is a perminent leader in many other forms of government. --AmrasCalmacil 21:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Timeline question

I was wondering if there's offical information on when exactly the draenei arrived on draenor? I've heard various numbers ranging from five thousand to two hundred some odd years before the opening of the dark portal. Anyone have something more presice?Tweak the Whacked 10:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe RotH spoke of the later being true.Warthok Talk Contribs 10:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The timeframe of when they existed on the planet is different in different sources... Warcraft 2 manual gave one date, Warcraft TFT gave another date, and RotH implies yet another time frame. See the links at Timeline for some of the references.Baggins 07:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Architecture section

I like it, but I can't help but wonder if it's slightly too speculative for the frame of the article. Speculation is fine, but this is a somewhat superflous section in a rather long article to begin with. Any thoughts? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It was already removed once - Talk:Draenei#Architecture. Removed it again. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Rampage29, they're interesting ideas, but it's just not appropriate for the main article. However, an article named something like "Draenei architecture speculation" could work, but it would have to be discussion about the architecture, not ideas about what the architecture is. Compare:

1. This building style takes a long time to fabricate, and is meant to be permanent.
2. It appears that draenei buildings take a long time to fabricate and are meant to be permanent, because...

Any article would have to be of the latter style. Kirkburn  talk  contr 16:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Should I try to sort through it and make a page?--SWM2448 21:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Draenei 'Anatomy'

I heard this from an ingame Guildmate, about Draenei sexual organs, maybe it's not the best idea to put it in the actual article, but I would like some confirmation of this. Basicly, the Male Draenei has six tenticles (Or whatever you wish to call them) rather than genitals, while the Female Draenei have six 'flesh holes'. It dosn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they do. The whole process is apparently watched over by a shaman (In case the males tenticles get stuck, the shaman will amputate them, they will, in time, regrow) and can continue for 2-3 days, possibly four depending on the stamina of the male. Another thing is that due to the six flesh holes births will usually be done by C-Section, otherwise the skin between the holes will break, causing scarring. Since I have no way of doing it myself, can anyone confirm this for me? Afternote: Any attempts to call me a pervert will result in me glaring at your signiture. --AmrasCalmacil 17:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Can I call you a baseless speculator?--SWM2448 20:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

We know that when enraged, and in heat, a female troll can mate over 80 times in one night. We are also told that on occasion, a female quilboar child displays such unnatural strength that the shaman deems her a man. She then trains as a warrior and lives in all ways like a male, even taking female mates. It is even believed that such unions have occasionally produced children, some even becoming exceptional quilboar warriors, so there is little or no stigma attached to such situations. We have even been told the mating habits of harpies, and how they like to take mates from many races.

However blizzard rarely ever gives detailed descriptions of how races reproduce, remember this they have to stay within certain ratings. Nice try though.Baggins 21:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pshaw. Draenei shaman haven't even been around that long. —Qit el-Remel 06:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

So currently it's not confirmed or whatever? --AmrasCalmacil 18:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, not that I have heard. The silly commands hint at some odd things though.--SWM2448 19:13, 11

January 2008 (UTC)

Like the tentacle noises in the old female Drae flirts, which I belive most of them were taken out for being too dirty. --AmrasCalmacil 16:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Apart from turning on kinky tentacle-lovers, this rumor is very unlikely to have any interest or clever basis. I think it may even be safe to label it as pure bovine droppings.--K ) (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes...please get your minds out of the hentai gutter! User:QitelRemel/Sig 04:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering that they are capable of reproducing wit orcs, who are in turn capable of reproducing with humans, it would suggest that they are at the very least compatable with 'normal' reproductive systems, which the speculation presented her, certainy wouldn't be.Tweak the Whacked 02:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It's no longer established canon that orcs and humans can reproduce.  No one knows what Garona is any longer.  But as for the very idea that started this whole discussion?  That's not draenei; that's the Centauri from Babylon 5.
User:QitelRemel/Sig 02:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Weight

Anyone have any clue what they weigh? Any mention in the latest rpg info?Tweak the Whacked 22:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been known to refer to one of the /silly lines as ending with "the sound of 400 pounds (that's 180 kilos, or 29 stone for the Brits) of blue beef falling on his face." But that's just my speculation.

And I wasn't aware that draenei had appeared in the tabletop RPG yet. There was a mention of Lost Ones and/or Broken, but that was about it. Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC) 04:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I had assumed they appeared in the 07 book which updated info for bloodelves, at the very least. Haven't read that one myself yet, so I wasn't sure.Tweak the Whacked 05:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Physiology, and something more

Most likely, the "aproppriate term" for the male's "tentacles" is probably "facial appendages." But seriously, who cares. As to the nature of their taxonomy, I'd probably bail out on the "their aliens" excuse. That said, they do seem to have more in common with mammals than any of the other classifications, such as mammaries, hair, and hooves. In regards to the Eradar having scales, that might be explained by the influence of Fel energies. What I'm curious to know about is their age range. We know that Velen has lived for what seems to easily be over a millenia. What sort of age range do we see in the "common" Draenei? (PS: This is my first wiki post, WoW or otherwise, so hopefully this works as I'm hoping) -NocturnalKaos

First of all - welcome to the wiki! :)

I agree with your designation of "facial appendages": as of yet, there has been no indication as to their usage and I think they may just be vestigial.

Anyway, on your question: as of yet we have no official data on draenei or eredar life spans, so even though draenei children (such as Ha'lei) exist, we don't know how old they are. Furthermore, it would appear that the elder draenei (such as Velen and Jessera of Mac'Aree) have lived for such a long time (25,000 years) due to the influence of naaru holy magic. As of yet I haven't heard of a draenei dying of age, so the only conclusion that I can come to is that all draenei are immortal, in which case it is impossible to come up with any good figures for draenei age progressions. Sorry. ^^ --User:Vorbis/Sig 10:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

All that we really know about the age of those draenei kids is that Jheel has a couple of years on his sister Dornaa.

However, in Rise of the Horde, Durotan speculated that a draenei adolescent who looked his age was actually several times older. But several years later, he seemed certain that it couldn't have been her whom he saw die in Telmor, because she'd be an adult by then. Technically, he could have forgotten; but, considering that Golden implied that Durotan possessed an eidetic memory, such a thing just slipping his mind is rather unlikely. (It is, of course, possible that it just slipped Golden's mind. Everyone, after all, does make mistakes on occasion. But it seems a bit too obvious.)
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC) 08:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't take that so much as he didn't believe it was the same girl, rather that he didn't want to believe it was the same girl.Tweak the Whacked 18:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I re-read the paragraph in question. Golden leaves it pretty open:

"For a horrible second she seemed to be the same girl that Durotan and Orgrim had encountered years ago. That could not be—surely that girl was a woman grown now. Or was she?"

It's basically left up to the reader whether or not she was the same girl. But Durotan was clearly trying to convince himself that she definitely wasn't...so yeah, his viewpoint was skewed by circumstance.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC) 12:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

There's also the possibility that draenei reach maturity quickly and then age from there incredibly slowly. -- Dark T Zeratul 21:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I won't say thats impossible but I doubt it. I'd say they probably, in their early years atleast, age comparabely to night elves who take over 100 years to reach adulthood. Since night elves presumably aged like this while immortal, it seems the best template there is.Tweak the Whacked 07:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Culture

Moved to Talk:Draenei/Analysis#Culture

Female Draenei dance

The article claims that female Draenei dance like "the backup singers in [Tunak Tunak Tun]." This isn't true, the only singers in Tunak Tunak Tun are Daler Mehndi copied using bluescreen. There are no backup singers. That brings up the question, what is the female dance anyway? If someone can identify it, I will correct it. BobRoss (talk) 19:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Mating?

One of my (draenei) friends tells me that due to DNA complications, it's not possible for draenei to reproduce with any other race, besides orcs. This reaslly doesn't make sense to me, since orcs and draenei originate on differant planets as well...anyone know if this is true? We do know that orcs can reproduce with humans...Aliron (talk) 03:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Your friend is making assumptions. While there is no record of a draenei succesfuly reproducing with a human, there is nothing even suggestin that such a thing is not possible. Simply because one doesn't exist yet or is unheard of doe not mean it is an impossibility. DNA has not appeared in warcraft lore.Warthok Talk Contribs 03:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's possible, I mean elves can reproduce with humans and they are different species. WoW isn't that realistic, I mean have several planets that all have humanoid species that have evolved many of the same features (two hands, two legs, hair on their head, what ever). But on the other hand, due to the titans, many races in Warcraft could be related through the Titans. --Rannulf 03:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there a rumor of some female orc (can't remember name) was a half draenei? Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 03:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Garona. We have no idea what she is now, and while we know that half-draenei do exist, it is possible that they are not compatable with Azerothian species (the example of elves and humans evolved on the same planet), but are with Orcs (who evolved on draenor, and those case might have been magically-induced), or that they are theoretically able to reproduce with any of the other playable races, it just hasn't happened. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that got a fast answer. I've set her straight =) thanks for clearing that up guys Aliron (talk) 04:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Time Gap

It's just speculation, but for a seemingly mortal race 25,000 years in a couple of ships would probably have some dire effects on the Draenei. Anyway, would it be too our there to imagine that their ships at some sort of cryogenic technology or magic? --Rannulf 04:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

They fled their homeworld 25,000 years ago, that doesn't mean they were in their ships for that long. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 04:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but Rannulf's speculation may well have merit. There is, after all, a Cryo-Core on Bloodmyst... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QitelRemel (talk · contr).

It depends on how Tempest Keep moves. If it flies through the Nether or the Great Dark, then cryogenic technology would go a long way in explaining a lot of things. Alternatively, if Tempest Keep jumps from location to location, then there's little need for it. Also, the draenei had visited a large number of planets prior to their settling on Draenor (which Golden puts a bit more than two hundred years before the rise of the horde), and even attempted to settle on some of them, but ultimately fled, so it's safe to assume that a percentage of the past twenty-five millenia was spent on different worlds. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

In the quest The Cryo-Core, the cryo-core is described as "This is a pod holding area that houses pods exactly like the one you crawled out of in Ammen Vale." It's quite possible the mass population might have been in stasis. But if the cryo-core was only a "recently discovered crash site", I think it's safe to assume that either it was not in use... or everyone in it died. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 19:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The other thing to consider is that Tempest Keep wasn't used by the draenei until very, very recently. Their escape from Argus and subsequent arrival on Draenor was done via Oshu'gun, and the Naaru didn't show up with Tempest Keep until the Aldor prayed for their help in the wake of Illidan's attacks on Shattrath. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's safe to assume that Tempest Keep and Oshu'gun, in spite of visual differences, operated in a relatively similar fashion. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well theoretically if looking at theory of relativity then time dilation would likely be involved. That is the faster they travel through space the slower they travel through time. If they were traveling through "space", from their point of view only a short period of time may have passed. From an outsiders perspective several millenia has passed. This of course is pure speculation... We have no idea how their ships travel do we?Baggins (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Baggins, it wouldn't be sci-fi (or fantasy with a sci-fi bent or science fantasy or whatever the heck this is now) without some fancyshmancy way of getting around relativity. I think the Twisting Nether is enough. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not to say that time dilation isn't fun in the scifi or fantasy ;). The effects of time dilation have already been discussed as properties of the Caverns of Time for example heh heh.Baggins (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Didn't know this discussion would go anywhere. I would imagine it would be better if Blizz gave us some basic informations such as life span, how long they spent on Draenor and when they left, and many many many other gaps. But the reason I thought of this was depends very much if they are short lived. My logic is that a confined population would in that time period probably get into inbreeding, also evolution, probably people breaking off, I mean 25,000 years is a looooooooong time to be moving around, even if you stop on a planet your with the same group. But it doesn't really matter, it just shows how cookie cutter Shaman lore is. --Rannulf 06:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, the website does state that the Draenei were hiding on numerous worlds before the got to Draenor, so it is possible that while they were at those worlds, they gathered fruits and used magic to keep them from rotting. Also, the mages could just conjure up food and water, right? Battm7 19:42 November 28 2008

Combat

Know this won't fit into the article, but they seem to do better in combat against the orcs than most other races if RoTH is any indicator, at least individually. Lckyluke372 (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Using word "draenei" with different meanings

I've noticed that word "draenei" is used with different meaning. Say if there are mistakes or some to add...

1. As the name of the race of an indivual, in form "draenei". The same form is used both singular and plural and also to mean the name of whole race. (I unfortunatelly often see form "draeneis") Examples: "He is a draenei." or "They are draenei." or "The draenei escaped from Argus."
2. As adjective (in form "draenei"), also "draenic" is used. Examples: Draenei Tomb Guardian,  [Purified Draenic Water].
3. As name of their language, in form "Draenei".

Alright. Something else to say? Complaints? Some to add? --Nuti (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It can also refer to the Lost Ones, and the Broken.Baggins (talk) 04:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Right. The people of the draenei consist of the healthy draenei, the Broken and the Lost ones. Though, I think that word "draenei" means mainly the healthy ones, but exactly it means the corrupted also. --Nuti (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It depends on the source and the context. If one is playing Warcraft III it refers to the corrupted draenei in the game. If if one is speaking of Rise of the Horde it is used in both the context of corrupted ones, and the healthy ones. If one is reading Manual of Monsters it is in the context of the "Lost Ones".Baggins (talk)

"Draenic" also seems to mean "of or pertaining to Draenor (Outland)."  The usage of "draenic" to mean specifically "of or pertaining to the draenei" seems to be more common in fan fiction.  (For example, I've seen it used, capitalized, to refer to the language.)

And yeah, I've seen the messed-up plural.  Even in-game.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC) 23:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Or that night elf didn't know the real form of plural and cunjugated the word as she has conjugated many other names of races. You know, word "draenei" is Eredun/Draenei, and it has its own grammar that is used in Common in the case of the plural, for some reason. --Nuti (talk) 04:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Terminology Update

If this image (first on page) from the beta is accurate, the at-least-semi-official term for the "facial appendages" has been confirmed as "tendril."  Just thought I'd share that.
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 18:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC) 22:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

As beta info, it's suspect until release, but I doubt they'd change something so minor. A better question: should we be letting goblins perform cosmetic surgery?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 01:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Could say the same for even letting goblins touch your hair... wonder if the rivalry between the gnomes will play out here.... random chance for gnomes' hair to explode a few moments after haircut. =D --Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^{{TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.)} 01:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay...according to still more beta material, both terms are legit.  I don't think Blizz even has an official term. (My guess is that all words used are supposed to be rough translations of various Draenic slang terms...heck, it could be that if he's only got one—which is an option—Valok might actually be calling it a face-tail...but that's just how my weird mind works.)
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 18:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC) 09:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Intro vs History

There is conflicting data in the race description regarding the Argus events. One section says (I think correctly) that they fled Argus 25,000 years ago. The other states that the draenei came about 25,000 years ago on Argus (which I think is wrong). They lived and evolved before their fleeing, and without aid of the naaru. The naaru would have had an impact on them for the next 25,000 years of course. Nukhan (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the draenei themselves came about 25,000 years ago. Prior to that, they were the eredar. Almost 25,000 years ago, a faction of uncorrupted eredar led by Velen fled their home world of Argus, calling themselves the draenei ("the Exiled Ones").; More than 25,000 years ago, on the planet of Argus, the eredar race arose. If those are the sentences you're referring to, they're fine. The draenei did arise more than 25000 years ago. Could do with a bit of clarification, but it's technically fine. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

To be fair i just fixed that. after the fact.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Blood Elf Relations

You know with Velen saving the blood elve's bacon at the sunwell maybe this should be changed. Zarnks (talk) 22:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Always lawful good?

As someone who's played a draenei beyond level 70, and has played D&D, I have this to say to that: Not a damn chance!
Farseer Lolotea ● contrib 02:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm definately sceptical about that; the ingame playable draenei as far as I am aware haven't appeared in the rpg yet, and even if they had the rpg generally doesn't put alignments on playable races. So unless someone has a citation for it I say it should be removedTweak the Whacked (talk) 03:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Generations

I added a citation needed to the talk of how long Velen and his mystics kept his magic hidden (speaking of that, I don't know who they kept their magic "hidden"... I thought they were hiding themselves?). Mostly because as far as I know we are unaware of how long a Draenei generation is, and we really don't even know how long the timespan was between landing on Draenor and Kil'jaeden discovering it.Rhothran (talk) 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Both the orcs and the draenei imply that they arrived somewhere in the neibourhood of two centuries prior to the rise of the Horde. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Magic might have been something that would attract the Burning Legion easier? Rolandius (talk - contr) 05:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice Actors

Who does the voice acting for the male and female Draenei? I have heard everything from Cam Clarke to even Quinton Flynn (I seriously doubt both) for the male and I haven't heard a thing about the female. I can't find it anywhere... unless it is already here and I missed it. Any thoughts? Doomhand (talk) 04:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The male sounds kind of like the same guy who voices male trolls, if that helps...
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 06:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

WTH Pronunciation?

Whenever you hear the race's name in-game, it always sounds like either "dran-eye" or "drahn-eye." I've never heard anyone except fans pronounce it "dray-nye."
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 10:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I calls them "drain-e". Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 04:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I rest my case.
Farseer Lolotea • talk • contrib 23:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Height changes/fact check

I'd love to know where people are getting their numbers from... cause if its just through eyeballing it, this will be removed. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 01:36, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

The numbers have been changed several times but never giving a source, I think they are just speculation and that they should be removed. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 00:30, February 5, 2010 (UTC)