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| − | Is there any significant reason that we can't merge this page with [[Ragnok]]? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:54, April 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :Are they one and the same? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:15, April 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Well, one is an old Horde death knight in Outland named Ragnok, and the other is an old Horde death knight in Outland named Ragnok Bloodreaver. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Sounds good enough for me for a merge. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:33, April 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | '''Elementium''' is an extremely rare metal, found only in some of the most remote regions of Azeroth. It is believed by archaeologists to have been formed during the prehistoric reign of the [[Old Gods]], in places where there were high concentrations of elemental creatures. In fact, elementium isn’t native to Azeroth, and is found only near high concentrations of elemental creatures because they bring it from the [[Elemental Plane]] where it is actually quite common. The unique properties of elementium allow it to absorb and channel elemental forces. Skilled smiths temper elementium in blistering forges, adding to the quality of the item.<ref>''[[More Magic & Mayhem]]'', pages 154, 155</ref> |
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| − | ::::Dark T, it's the same old problem as [[Talk:Anya_Eversong]]... Or [[Akinos]]... Or [[Samuro]]. You know it... --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 13:03, April 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::My reasoning still stands. And if it's "good enough" here, why isn't it "good enough" there? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:04, April 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | It was revealed that the [[Twilight's Hammer]] forged a new set of armor plates made of elementium for [[Deathwing]].<ref>http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/features/stonecore.html</ref> |
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| − | ::::::Because Ragnok is not an RPG character, is not a Warcraft III hero, is not an NPC, and (I hope based on the certain attitude of the people here) will likely be confirmed in some way to be the same character in both books. I think that the two death knights are one and the same, but the other ones not so much.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 17:10, April 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | Massive elementium veins are raised out of the ground wherever the Twilight's Hammer sets up a base. As seen in concept art and in the Twilight Highlands, they build their buildings by raising these veins. |
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| − | :::::::it's "good enough" for Coobra that has not followed the issue yet, it's not "good enough here"... --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 19:34, April 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | It't not specualation to say that they are the same - it is speculation to say that they are not ;-) --[[User:LemonBaby|LemonBaby]] ([[User talk:LemonBaby|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | There are various obtainable items associated with elementium, only one of which ([[Enchanted Elementium Bar]]) is player-crafted. The rest are either created by NPC's from elementium ore or bars you supply, or appear (from the name and/or tooltip) to be created at least partly with elementium. Notice that whenever something is made with elementium, it is always quite extraordinary and/or expensive. |
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| − | :Yeah, it's pretty clear they're giving him a last name, not creating a brand new character with the same name, race, and class as the old one. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Just for the record, were the two characters' actions ever connected?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 19:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Well, Ragnok (no last name given) appeared in the Beyond the Dark Portal novel, and survived the events. Ragnok Bloodreaver later appeared in the Dragons of Outland manga, which takes place shortly before the Burning Crusade. So no, since the two publications are about time periods twenty years apart. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 19:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::These characters are likely the same, I suppose. Perhaps a note that the character have not been confirmed to be the same person, but it is likely that they are.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::In other words, you favor doing nothing, since that's already what's there. But I ask you this: what is the bigger speculation? That two old Horde death knights with the same name and location are the same character, or that they're not? Personally, I feel that Anya Eversong set a very dangerous precedent, which essentially states that we can never be sure of anything unless Blizzard explicitly and unambiguously states that it is so in no uncertain terms whatsoever. How many characters in Cataclysm are old NPCs who've gained last names or title promotions? How many of them wax poetic about the old days to give irrefutable confirmation that they're the same character? Yes, there are some situations where there is reasonable doubt and we shouldn't jump to conclusions. But there are other situations where there ISN'T reasonable doubt, and the only thing standing between sanity and pointless bureaucracy is Blizzard not feeling that "Yes, they are the same person" needs to be said. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::::Both stances have merit on a larger scale. It comes down to what we all want to do, and what attitude that we all want to have, as a wiki. To me, this is not an empty statement. What is our current attitude about such things? I feel that we are more open to common sense and original research than some other wikis I have edited, but this is based on the arbitrary attitudes of prominent users, and not quite on any definitive policy that I know of. So, about Ragnok, I do not know. I think we need a policy about what "reasonable doubt" is in these cases, and how much we should present as fact.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 18:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::::Personally, I understand the desire to not jump to conclusions. Yet at the same time, I think we often go too far into the other direction, and not do anything until someone asks Blizzard in an interview, and they sigh and say "yes, wasn't it obvious?" If they'd never given Ragnok a last name in Shadow Wing, nobody would have ever questioned whether they were the same character. If he'd had a last name in BtDP but not in Shadow Wing, nobody would have ever questioned whether they were the same character. Yet when they use a new source of lore to expand on an older character, it's speculation that they're the same person. To me, that's what reasonable doubt is: when there's absolutely no reason to assume they're different characters except the lack of explicit confirmation that they're not. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::::::The fact that they are both "old" death knights (that were only created '''once''') and have the same name (orcs have more imagination than that), they are most likely the same character. This warrants a merge. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 19:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Pure Elementium Band]] |
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| − | Hakkar, anyone? |
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| + | *[[Therazane's Link]] |
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| − | Anyway, I think this was asked at CDev questions, so let's wait for when they're answered to see if they give us any response. If not, we'll debate what to do with the 2 characters.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 20:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Elementium Reinforced Bulwark]] |
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| − | :Well, in the case of Hakkar, they're little question that they're NOT the same person. The one in War of the Ancients is a demon that gets destroyed, while the one in WoW is a loa. This is a situation of the same character lacking a last name in one of his two appearances, and that is the SOLE reason why anyone has any doubt about it, for some unfathomable reason. If anyone can give me even a single reason to assume they're different characters beyond the lack of a last name in Beyond the Dark Portal (and "it doesn't say that they're the same character" doesn't count, because I don't think it should have to be said), I'll gladly concede the argument. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Elementium Threaded Cloak]] |
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| − | ::Anyone else have any opinions on this? Or anyone who can give me a valid reason to suspect they might be different characters? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 05:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]] |
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| − | :::no, I vote for a merge :-) --[[User:LemonBaby|LemonBaby]] ([[User talk:LemonBaby|talk]]) 09:50, 9 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Elementium Band of the Sentry]] |
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| − | ::::No, i also vote for a merge--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Elementium-Plated Exhaust Pipe]] |
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| + | *[[Noble's Elementium Signet]] |
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| + | All of the final quest rewards from: |
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| − | :::::Already done. I suggest keeping [[Ragnok]] as a redirect, for a revert in case they end not being up the same.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 00:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *{{Questlong|Neutral|60|Imperial Qiraji Regalia}} |
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| + | *{{Questlong|Neutral|60|Imperial Qiraji Armaments}} |
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| + | With the coming of the [[Cataclysm]] however, '''Elementium''' has become a much more common material, mostly because of the now easly accessible [[Elemental Plane]]s, and summoning of the veins by the [[Twilight's Hammer]] cultists all around Azeroth. Ever since [[Profession|all craftsmen]] adapted the use of these materials in various of their [[Illustrious_Grand_Master|plans, schematics, patterns and recipes]]. |
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| − | I think this merge is a clear violation of policy. For any other lore characters with coinciding names pages are kept separated and if any user (usually Dark T Zeratul) has the smart idea to merge them, a vote is required to take the decision before doing. Do you know your acts set a dangerous precedent? --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 17:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | :Whoa whoa whoa. I'm the one who started the discussion here, explicitly for that reason. Stop accusing me of repeatedly breaking policy without checking the damn edit histories first. I don't appreciate it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | == Patch Changes == |
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| − | ::I didn't mean to accuse you (even if my tone is a little focused and I'm sorry about it) but I'm bored to see the same argumentation so often. I cited other articles where votes were casted and votes DO set out a policy. Otherwise there's no need to get the "democratic" vote option alive. Anarchy in wowpedia --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 17:25, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *{{Patch 4.0.3a|note=Elementium will be the new uncommon mineral found when mining in Cataclysm, and can contain gems, [[Volatile Fire]], [[Volatile Water]], or [[Volatile Earth]]. The items currently named Elementium Ore and Elementium Bar will be renamed to [[Elementium Ingot]] and [[Enchanted Elementium Bar]].<ref>http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200229268&sid=1</ref>}} |
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| + | *{{Patch 1.6.0|note=Elementium Ore now drops in [[Blackwing Lair]], and can be smelted into Elementium Bars.}} |
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| + | == See also == |
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| − | :::Dangerous precedents?! Anarchy?! No. As for votes, consensus can happen with or without a vote, as long as it happens.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 17:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Elementium Ingot]] |
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| − | ::::Gourra supported the merge. Those who didn't seemed to be arguing purely from a position of semantics, since not a single person ever provided me with a reason to suspect they're different characters beyond his last name not being given in the first source. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | *[[Enchanted Elementium Bar]] |
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| + | *[[Elementium Ore]] |
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| + | *[[Elementium Bar]] |
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| + | ==References== |
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| + | {{Reflist}} |
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| + | {{Metals}} |
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| + | [[Category:Metals]] |
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| + | [[Category:Mining]] |
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| + | [[Category:Game terms]] |
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Revision as of 15:32, 22 July 2011
Elementium is an extremely rare metal, found only in some of the most remote regions of Azeroth. It is believed by archaeologists to have been formed during the prehistoric reign of the Old Gods, in places where there were high concentrations of elemental creatures. In fact, elementium isn’t native to Azeroth, and is found only near high concentrations of elemental creatures because they bring it from the Elemental Plane where it is actually quite common. The unique properties of elementium allow it to absorb and channel elemental forces. Skilled smiths temper elementium in blistering forges, adding to the quality of the item.[1]
It was revealed that the Twilight's Hammer forged a new set of armor plates made of elementium for Deathwing.[2]
Massive elementium veins are raised out of the ground wherever the Twilight's Hammer sets up a base. As seen in concept art and in the Twilight Highlands, they build their buildings by raising these veins.
Items
There are various obtainable items associated with elementium, only one of which (
[Enchanted Elementium Bar]) is player-crafted. The rest are either created by NPC's from elementium ore or bars you supply, or appear (from the name and/or tooltip) to be created at least partly with elementium. Notice that whenever something is made with elementium, it is always quite extraordinary and/or expensive.
[Pure Elementium Band]
[Therazane's Link]
[Elementium Reinforced Bulwark]- [Elementium Threaded Cloak]
- [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
- [Elementium Band of the Sentry]
- [Elementium-Plated Exhaust Pipe]
- [Noble's Elementium Signet]
All of the final quest rewards from:
[60] With the coming of the Cataclysm however, Elementium has become a much more common material, mostly because of the now easly accessible Elemental Planes, and summoning of the veins by the Twilight's Hammer cultists all around Azeroth. Ever since all craftsmen adapted the use of these materials in various of their plans, schematics, patterns and recipes.
Patch Changes
- Patch 4.0.3a (2010-11-23): Elementium will be the new uncommon mineral found when mining in Cataclysm, and can contain gems, [Volatile Fire], [Volatile Water], or [Volatile Earth]. The items currently named Elementium Ore and Elementium Bar will be renamed to [Elementium Ingot] and [Enchanted Elementium Bar].[3]
- Patch 1.6.0 (2005-07-12): Elementium Ore now drops in Blackwing Lair, and can be smelted into Elementium Bars.
See also
References
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