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'''Disruptive editing''' is a ''pattern'' of edits, which ''may'' extend over a considerable period of time or number of articles, that has the ''effect'' of
 
   
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==Requests==
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*disrupting progress toward improving an article, or
 
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:{{Icon-information}} ''Requests for new icons should be placed here.''
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*disrupting progress toward the fundamental project of building Wowpedia.
  
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''When making a request, please bear in mind the usefulness of the icon, in other words will it be used? Generally NYI races/creatures should not be requested as making the icon does require some sort of image to work off of. Creatures of similar nature or different skin/fur colors should also not be requested, for example we don't need a icon for polar bears, black bears, and brown bears.''
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==Summary==
  
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Wowpedia, like any successful wiki, owes much of its success to its openness. However, that very openness sometimes attracts people who seek to exploit the site as a platform for pushing a single point of view, to self-promote themselves, or unduly promoting a minor point of lore. While [[WP:LORE|all official sources of lore are considered valid]], and constructive editors occasionally make mistakes, sometimes an editor creates long-term problems by persistently editing a page or set of pages with information which is not relevant to Warcraft, the World of Warcraft, or Wowpedia; or insisting on giving undue weight to a minor point of lore.
  
   
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'''Addendum:''' ''Don't request Cataclysm icons, until game has gone live.''
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Collectively, disruptive editors harm Wowpedia by degrading its reliability as a reference source and by exhausting the patience of productive editors who may quit the project in frustration when a disruptive editor continues with impunity.
  
   
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It is essential to recognize patterns of disruptive editing. Our [[WP:3RR|3RR]] policy already acknowledges that one act, by itself, may not violate policy, but when part of a series of acts that constitute a pattern does violate policy. Disruptive edits may not occur all in the course of one 24 hour period, and may not consist of the repetition of the same act. Nevertheless, a series of edits over time may form a pattern that seriously disrupts the project. The [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]], should not be construed as a defense against action taken to enforce this policy.
  
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===Humanoids===
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*Forsaken Death Knights
   
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===Undead===
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Disruptive editors may seek to disguise their behavior as productive editing, yet distinctive traits separate them from productive editors. When discussion fails to resolve the problem and when an impartial consensus of editors from outside a disputed page agree (through requests for comment or similar means), further disruption should be liable to being listed at [[WP:V|the list of violations]] and may lead to more serious disciplinary action through the dispute resolution process. In extreme cases this could include a ban from Wowpedia, usually through a consensus decision.
  
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*[[Bone Giant]] (helmless if possible)
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*Northrend Ghoul
   
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===Giants===
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== How disruptive editors evade detection ==
  
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*<span title="Orange-browney rock with green mint moss" {{#ifeq:yes|no||style="border-bottom:2px dotted"}} class="help">[[Hill giant]]</span>
   
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===Beasts===
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Disruptive editing already violates site policy, yet certain editors have succeeded in disrupting articles and evading disciplinary action for one of several possible reasons:
  
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*[[Celestial Steed]]
   
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* their edits occur over a long period of time; in this case, no single edit may be clearly disruptive, but the overall pattern is disruptive
  
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===Dragonkin===
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* their edits are largely confined to talk-pages, such disruption may not directly harm an article, but it often prevents other editors from reaching consensus on how to improve an article
  
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*Azure Dragon (NYI)
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* their edits often avoid gross breaches of policy, especially by refraining from [[WP:DNP|posting explicitly banned content]], even though they interfere with civil and collaborative editing meant to improve the article
  
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*Azure dragonspawn
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* their edits remain limited to a small number of pages that very few people watch
  
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*Azure dragonwhelp
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* conversely, their edits may be distributed over a wide range of articles that few people watch.
  
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*Azure drakonid
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*Plagued dragon (NYI)
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*Plagued drake (NYI)
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*Chromatic dragon (NYI)
   
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===Elementals/Contructs===
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== Signs of disruptive editing ==
  
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*[[Ancient of Arcane]]
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*All WC3 ancients
   
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This policy concerns gross, obvious and repeated violations of fundamental policies, not subtle questions about which reasonable people may disagree.
  
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===Demons===
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*[[Incubus]] (NYI)
   
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===Mechanical/Animated objects===
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'''A disruptive editor''' is an editor who:
  
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*[[Crashin' Thrashin' Racer]]
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*Gnome racer
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*[[Mimiron's Head]]
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*[[Gnomish Flame Turret]]
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*[[Unholy Swords]]
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*[[Unholy Axe]]
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*[[Unholy Staff]]
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*[[Clockwerk goblin]] - WC3
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*Land Mine
   
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===Other===
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* '''Is [[wiktionary:tendentious|tendentious]]''': continues editing an article or group of articles in pursuit of a certain point for an extended time despite opposition from one or more other editors. Tendentious editing does not consist only of adding material; some tendentious editors engage in disruptive deletions as well.
  
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* '''Cannot satisfy [[WP:LORE|the lore policy]]'''; fails to cite sources, cites unofficial sources, misrepresents reliable sources, or embeds speculation in factual content.
  
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* '''Engages in "disruptive cite-tagging"'''; adds unjustified {{t|fact}} tags to an article when the content tagged is already sourced, uses such tags to suggest that properly sourced article content is questionable.
  
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* '''Does not engage in consensus building:
  
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** repeatedly disregards other editors' questions or requests for explanations concerning edits or objections to edits;
  
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** repeatedly disregards other editors' explanations for their edits.
  
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* '''Rejects community input''': resists moderation and/or requests for comment, continuing to edit in pursuit of a certain point despite an opposing consensus from impartial editors.
  
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In addition, such editors may:
  
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* '''Campaign to drive away productive contributors''': act counter to policies and guidelines, engage in sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry, ''etc.'' on a low level that might not exhaust the general community's patience, but that operates toward an end of exhausting the patience of productive rules-abiding editors on certain articles.
  
   
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=== Removal replies ===
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== Distinguished from productive editing ==
  
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:''Please do not respond here, start a new section at the bottom if removal is disputed.''
   
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;Removed: Forsaken Death Knights, Troll Death Knights
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Editors often post minor trivia and facts to articles. This fits within Wowpedia's mission so long as the contributions are based in [[WP:LORE|lore]] and do not give [[WP:NPOV|undue weight to a non-Blizzard, biased point of view]]. The burden of evidence rests with the editor who initially provides the information or wishes the information to remain.
  
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:Undead DKs, are truly no different than current forsaken members and Troll dks have an equivalent icon. 05:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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::Re-Added Forsaken Deathknight (they have blue eyes). {{user|Ashbear160}} 21:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
   
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;Removed: Suppression turret, [[X-51 Nether-Rocket X-TREME]] / Jewelcrating Boar
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Editors may reasonably present controversies which are documented by reliable sources. This exemption does not apply to settled disputes; for example, insertion of claims that goblins and worgen would not be new races in Cataclysm; even though this issue was previously an active controversy. Mentioning such disputes in the article may however be appropriate if the ''controversy itself'' was notable (such as in this example).
  
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:Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|CannonGoblin}}, {{RaceIconExt|Rocket}} / No distinct look -- 04:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
   
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;Removed: Mechanical Gorilla, [[Void Reaver]], [[Horde Siege Tank]]
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Sometimes well-meaning editors may be misled by fringe source of lore or make honest mistakes when representing a citation. Such people may reasonably defend their positions for a short time, then concede the issue when they encounter better evidence or impartial feedback. Articles which document discredited hypotheses are acceptable. However, claims that [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]] is flat would be inappropriate in an article such as [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]], even if presented as a minority opinion.
  
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:Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|GorillaMech}}{{RaceIconExt|FelReaver}}{{RaceIconExt|Demolisher}} -- 23:41, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
   
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;Removed: [[Phoenix Hatchling]] / [[Baby Blizzard Bear]]
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In order to protect against frivolous accusations and other potential exploitation, no editor shall be eligible for a disruptive editor block until after a consensus of neutral parties has agreed that an editor has behaved in a disruptive manner. This consensus can be achieved through requests for comment or similar means. This does not include editors whose edits constitute violations of probation or other edit restrictions (including violation of other policies), who may be blocked for such edits independent of this policy.
  
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:Can use {{RaceIconExt|Phoenix}}. / It's a bear, use {{RaceIconExt|Bear}}.
   
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;Removed: Onyxian whelpling and Onyxian Drake / Rusted Proto drake
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== Dealing with disruptive editors ==
  
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:Maybe if more than 1 occurrence existed, but as these are ''very'' special, {{RaceIconExt|WhelpBlack}} {{RaceIconExt|DrakeBlack}} / Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|ProtoRusted}} -- 19:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
   
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;Removed: [[Mur'ghoul]] and [[Mutant murloc]] - WC3 / [[Angel]]
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Following is a model for remedies, though these steps do not necessarily have to be done in this sequence. In some extreme circumstances a rapid report to [[WP:V]] may be the best first step; in others, a fast track to a ban may be in order. But in general, most situations can benefit from a gradual escalation, with hope that each step may help resolve the problem, such that further steps are not needed:
  
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:Difference in look from normal murlocs does not exist. / Angels can use {{RaceIconExt|SpiritHealer}} -- 19:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
   
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;Removed: Female [[Dragonspawn]] (dragonspawn casters are female) / [[Storm giant]]( From Howling fjord in northrend)
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* First unencyclopedic entry by what appears to be a disruptive editor.
  
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:Says who? That's like saying Quilboar casters are all female. / Already exists. → {{RaceIconExt|StormGiant}} -- 02:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:* [[WP:AGF|Assume good faith]]. Do not attack the author who you suspect is disruptive. However, ''revert'' uncited or unencyclopedic material. Use an edit summary which describes the problem in non-inflammatory terms. Stay very civil. Post to talk page asking for discussion and/or sources. Consult [[WP:BITE|Do not bite the newcomers]], and be aware that you may be dealing with someone who is new and confused, rather than a problem editor.
  
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* If editor unreverts:
  
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:* Revert again if they haven't responded at the talk page. Ensure that a clear explanation for the difference in opinion is posted by you at the article talk page. Refer to this policy in your edit summary. If possible, '''suggest compromises at the talk page'''.
  
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* If the reverting continues, and they are <u>inserting unsourced information</u>:
  
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:* Revert, and '''request an administrator''' via [[WP:V]]. Provide diffs of the multiple reverts by the tendentious editor. Keep your post short (no more than 250-500 words), well-diffed (multiple diffs showing evidence), and focus on user conduct issues (the tendentious editor is not engaging in discussion / is inserting unsourced information / is ignoring talk page consensus). Try to avoid going into detailed article content issues, as it may reduce the likelihood that an admin will understand the complaint. Note: To be most successful, your own history must be clean. At all times, stay civil, and avoid engaging in multiple reverts yourself.
  
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* If the tendentious editor ''is'' using sources, but <u>if the sources are bad or misinterpreted</u>:
  
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:* Do not post on the [[WP:V|list of violations]] yet.
  
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:* Continue attempts to engage new editor in dialogue. Refer to policies and guidelines as appropriate.
  
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::* If only two editors are involved, seek a third opinion.
  
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::* If more editors are involved, try a request for comment.
  
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* Suggest mediation.
  
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* If mediation is rejected, unsuccessful, and/or the problems continue:
  
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:* '''Notify the editor you find disruptive, on their user talk page'''.<br />Include diffs of the problematic behavior. Use a section name and/or edit summary to clearly indicate that you view their behavior as disruptive, but avoid being unnecessarily provocative. Remember, you're still trying to de-escalate the situation. If other editors are involved, they should post their own comments too, to make it clear that the community disapproves of the tendentious behavior.
  
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* Tendentious editor continues reverting.
  
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:* Assuming that it's one editor against many at this point, continue reverting the tendentious editor. If s/he exceeds three reverts in a 24-hour period, file a report at [[WP:V]] based on [[WP:3RR]] (and be careful you don't do excessive reverts yourself!). However, ''one tendentious editor cannot maintain problematic content in the face of multiple other editors reverting his/her edits''.
  
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* If the tendentious editor is not violating 3RR, or there aren't enough editors involved to enforce Wowpedia policies:
  
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:* File another [[WP:V]] report.
  
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* Editor continues to ignore consensus of the RFC:
  
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:* Again request assistance at [[WP:V]] for administrator intervention, point to consensus from the RFC. An admin should issue a warning or temporary block as appropriate.
  
   
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;Removed: [[Mechanical Yeti]], [[Mechanical Greench]], and [[Lifelike Mechanical Toad]].
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== Blocking and sanctions for disruption ==
  
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:They have no distinct look from the actual creatures they portray. -- 21:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
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* Disruptive editing may result in warnings and then escalating blocks, typically starting with 24 hours.
 
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* Accounts used primarily for disruption may be blocked indefinitely.
  
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* If a pattern of disruption is subtle or long term, and informal discussions are ineffective, a request for comment may be used to document the problem and establish a consensus for a ban.
  
   
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;Removed: [[Felboar]] and [[Mage Slayer]]
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== Wikilove ==
  
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:Felboar can use {{RaceIconExt|Helboar}} and Mage slayer can use {{RaceIconExt|Darkhound}}. Otherwise, no distinct look. -- 22:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
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It is important to be as patient and kind as possible. Techniques such as reverting need to be combined with sincere efforts to turn the user toward productive work. Only when editors show themselves unwilling or unable to set issues aside and work harmoniously with others, for the benefit of the project, should they be regarded as irredeemable, and politely but firmly removed.<!--
  
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<!--Trying to keep things clean and organized, these sections are getting all over the place. Please make a new post at the bottom to dispute removals.-->
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=== Completed requests ===
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{{col-begin}}
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{{col-auto}}<s>
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*{{RaceIconExt|Cannon}}[[Blockade Cannon]] (normal cannon)
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*{{RaceIconExt|TargetDummy}}[[Target Dummy]] - [[Love Fool]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Tiki}}[[Enchanted Tiki Dervish]]
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*{{RaceIcon|Aesir|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Aesir|Female}}[[Aesir]]
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*{{RaceIcon|Titan|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Titan|Female}}[[Vanir]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Unicorn}}[[Unicorn]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CannonBrass}}[[Alliance Gunship Cannon]] (brass cannon)
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*{{RaceIconExt|TitanOrb}}Titan [[Databank]] (titan orb)
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*{{RaceIconExt|CannonFlak}}[[Horde Gunship Cannon]] (flak cannon)
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*{{RaceIconExt|SiegeTurret}}Flame turret (siege turret)
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*{{RaceIconExt|CannonFel}}[[Fel cannon]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|DrakonidNether}}Nether drakonid</s>
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{{col-auto}}<s>
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*{{RaceIconExt|Eel}}[[Eel]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|CoreHoundPup}}[[Core Hound Pup]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|FelDragon}}[[Fel dragon]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Caribou}}[[Reindeer]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|Murloc Baby}}[[Baby Murloc]]
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*{{RaceIcon|HumanDeathKnight|Male}}{{RaceIcon|HumanDeathKnight|Female}}3rd generation [[Death Knight]] (for each playable race and both genders)
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*{{RaceIconExt|Sporelok}}[[Sporelok]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|DireFurbolg}}[[Polar furbolg]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|ChickenMech}}[[Mechanical Chicken]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|SquirrelMech}}[[Mechanical Squirrel]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|SheepMech}}[[Explosive Sheep]]
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*{{RaceIconExt|FelFireLord}}[[Cyrukh the Firelord|Fel giant (Entropic/Fel Molten giant)]]</s>
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==Cataclysm List==
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A list of new models from cataclysm:
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{{Col-begin}}
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**{{RaceIconExt|DarkPhoenix}} Dark Phoenix</s>
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Dark Phoenix Hatchling
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**<s>{{RaceIconExt|DwarfGolem}} Dwarven Golem
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**{{RaceIconExt|Gyreworm}} RingWorm
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**{{RaceIconExt|ShaleSpider}} Shale Spider
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**{{RaceIconExt|Geode}} Geode
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**{{RaceIconExt|Djinni}} Djinni
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**{{RaceIconExt|CarnivorousPlant}} Carnivorous plant
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**{{RaceIconExt|Spitter}} Spitter
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**Bound Elemental
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***{{RaceIconExt|BoundAir}} Air
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***{{RaceIconExt|BoundEarth}} Earth
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***{{RaceIconExt|BoundFire}} Fire
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***{{RaceIconExt|BoundWater}} Water</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Sunflower
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**Unbound
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Air
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Earth
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Fire
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Water
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Mercury
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**Twilight Ascendant
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Fire
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Air
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Earth
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Water
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*Dragonkin<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|DrakonidTwilight}} Twilight Drakonid
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**{{RaceIconExt|SpawnTwilight}} Twilight dragonspawn</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Deepholme Drake
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}Phosphorescent Drake
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}Volcanic Drake
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}Vitreous Drake
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}Sandstone Drake
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Dragonman
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Skywall Dragon
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}North Wind
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}South Wind
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}East Wind
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***{{RaceIconExt|}}West Wind
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{{Col-auto}}
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*Beast<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|Remora}} Giant Remora
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**{{RaceIconExt|Mastiff}} Mastiff
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**{{RaceIconExt|Fox}} Mist fox
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**{{RaceIconExt|Monkey}} Monkey
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**{{RaceIconExt|Shark2}} Cataclysm Shark
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**{{RaceIconExt|SandCrab}} Deep sea Crabs
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**{{RaceIconExt|SeaTurtle}} Deep sea Turtle
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**{{RaceIconExt|Grouper}} Grouper
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**{{RaceIconExt|Leviathan}} Leviathan
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**{{RaceIconExt|Eel}} Monstrous Eel
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**{{RaceIconExt|Puffer}} Puffer fish
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**{{RaceIconExt|SeaSnake}} Sea Serpent
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**{{RaceIconExt|Seahorse}} Sea horse
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**{{RaceIconExt|Snail}} Snail
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**{{RaceIconExt|Stingray}} Sting Ray
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**{{RaceIconExt|Thresher}} Thresher shark
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**{{RaceIconExt|WhaleShark}} Whale Shark
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**{{RaceIconExt|BushChicken}} Bush Chicken
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**{{RaceIconExt|Camel}} Camel</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Merciless ones
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Seagull
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Faceless one mount
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Exarch Ellek
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Lava Worm
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Raven
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Sunwalker Kodo
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Golden King
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Kron'khar annhiliator
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Armadillo
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Cataclysm Crocolisk
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{{Col-auto}}
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*Humanoid<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|StoneTrogg}} Stone Trogg
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**{{RaceIconExt|DeepSeaMurloc}} Deepsea Murloc
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**{{RaceIconExt|Gilgoblin}} Gilgoblin
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**{{RaceIconExt|Hobgoblin}} Hobgoblin
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**{{RaceIconExt|Pygmy}} Pygmy
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**Orc
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***{{RaceIcon|Dragonmaw|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Dragonmaw|Female}} Dragonmaw orc
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***{{RaceIconExt|DireOrc}} Green dire orc</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Aquatic Faceless one
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Aquatic Faceless one caster
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Cho'gall disciple
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**Tol'vir
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Flesh
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***{{RaceIconExt|}} Maskless Stone
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*Mechanical<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|StageCoach}} Gilnean stagecoach
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**{{RaceIconExt|Balloon}} Goblin Air Ballon
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**{{RaceIconExt|HotRod}} Goblin Hot Rod
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**{{RaceIconExt|RiverBoat}} Goblin Riverboat
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**{{RaceIconExt|RabbitMech}} Mechanical Rabbit
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**{{RaceIconExt|Trike}} Trike</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Horde Caravan
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Uldum Watcher
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Big Bomb
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Submarine
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*Undead<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|SkeletalRaptor}} Skeleton Raptor</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Fire Bone Wraith
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Undead Black Dragon
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Crawling hand
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Spectral Horse
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Spectral Wolf
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Undead Goblin
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*Giant<s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|Ettin}} Ettin</s>
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Mercurial Giant
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*Uncategorized
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Angel
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Bubble
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} Greater Slime
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**{{RaceIconExt|}} New tentacle
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{{Col-end}}
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==Cataclysm Icons==
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When can we start asking for cataclysm icons? when it releases accordying to assumptions we already have a ettin model(it's a two headed giant with a roof as a shoulder--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:48, May 7, 2010 (UTC))
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:Don't request any icons until it's at least in beta. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 00:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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::Of course :P--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:53, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I made a column just for cataclysm beta because these things might change a lot and some are upgrades to other icons--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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:hmm...... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 01:05, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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::We already have the models of all of those(at least mmo champion shows them) adding a few more for the sake of completness--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:19, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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:::MMO champion show things you are not supposed to know exist, as hard as it can be, you must forget this website when editing wowwiki :)
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:::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 07:08, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
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==Female dragonspawn==
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Why was this removed?
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If I'm not blind, dragonspawn casters have '''breasts'''. If that doesn't make you female enough, I don't know what does.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 11:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:There was a reason written, anyway ask coobra he's the one taking care of this area--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 11:58, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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::Aye, I have noticed the breasts... but I personally don't see the use in clarifying the different genders, when Blizzard themselves doesn't even state genders of the dragonspawn. And it's just a model, just seems weird that all casters are female and all brutes and higher ranks are males. Not to mention the racial icons won't show the breasts and will appear almost exactly the same as the current "male" one. But I'll make an example icon, upload, and then compare... soonish. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 18:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Well, they have a smaller face, and they have hoods, too. I think having them is nice, and the icons are going to be used sure. We did the same with the quilboars some time ago, and the result was nice.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 18:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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==Death knights of each race==
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I think we need icons for each race. Right now, we only have for humans and orcs (and they should be updated).
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For the tauren one, we could recycle Trag Highmountain.
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I would create them myself, but my WoWModelViewer doesn't work properly with textures.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 11:27, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:I think it was because it was too much work, again ask coobra--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 11:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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::Personally after making the orc and then human versions, I wasn't happy with them, so I stopped. Now if someone else wants to pick up the reins on this, that's fine. But don't just upload anything, it should at least be presentable, clean, and easy to identify. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 18:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I think we should avoid picture-icons, and use model shots. I think you'd have gotten a better result if you had taken screenshots instead of recoloring the existing icons :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 18:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:Ok, I made improvements to the human and orc versions, tell me what you think. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 06:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::I have to say, at first sight, I believe the orc were ghouls!
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::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 07:01, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Oh-my-god. They're simply AWESOME. You made them yourself, or you took screenshots? I love them, man, seriously. Great work, and looking forward the other races if you decide to make more.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 10:15, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:Yes these are a vast improved over the old ones, i would love to see the other 16 icons, but that would be to much of a hassle--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 16:02, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::Will it be useful anyway to have one of each?
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::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Of course yes, we have NPCs and important characters in-game that are death knights from all the races. Using normal icons for them is, well, wrong. They're a different "race", anyway.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 16:24, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:Well, I'm happy you all liked them. =) I don't know about all races (I might do them all in the end), but I did notice on the list of DKs, that at least gnome, tauren, troll, and draenei would be nice to have. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::Though we could just use {{RaceIcon|UndeadTroll|Male}}{{RaceIcon|UndeadTroll|Female}} for the trolls... great power out, damn storm... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I have no problem but i want to avoid repetition if those were used for regular undead trolls--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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===Tauren death knight icons===
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So, for those who didn't notice, Coobra updated these icons: {{RaceIcon|TaurenDeathKnight|Male}} and {{RaceIcon|TaurenDeathKnight|Female}}.
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I think they are great, but I think they need a bit more "zoom". I think they would work better if the "photo" was taken from further. See {{RaceIconExt|Trag}}.
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Just my opinion ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 08:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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:Perhaps.. Beast-like humanoids can be a tad annoying to make icons for. Shoulders and such always tend to get in the way. I zoomed out a little... can't say I'm completely happy with the results.. I might start over on the tauren. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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===Blood elf DKs===
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I was thinking of moving {{RaceIcon|UndeadElf|Female}}{{t|RaceIcon|UndeadElf|Female}} to {{t|RaceIcon|DarkRanger}} since it seems the only models to use that skin are dark rangers, then make a similar one for DKs... however, then I remembered [[Bloodrose Datura]]. She used the red eye version... So, question. Do you think we should just use this icon for the DKs or go ahead with what I was thinking? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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:Hmm, getting reports her eyes are no longer red, but blue like the rest of the DKs... Can anyone confirm this? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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::Eyes are blue now according to wowhead, in my opinion you should make a new one for blood elf and leave undead elf as it is--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Undead elf is just like human cultist, leave it as it is, and make new ones for death knights. After all, those icons are already used for darkfallen and dark rangers.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 10:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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===Forsaken Deathknights===
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Coobra i don't want to be mean but don't the forsaken deathknights have a paler skin and blue eyes than normal forsaken, like for example in this skin,[http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maiev&cn=Ab] i'm okay with the troll death knights since it has blue eyes, but i'd prefer if you or anyone that wanted do it change the forsaken death knight, so i'm going to put it back on the list.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:42, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
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:If someone wants to, that's fine, but I'm not going to make a new icon for just eye color difference. To me it's pointless. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
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::Ok if i was able i would do it but alas i'm not--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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==Cataclysm List==
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A list of new models from cataclysm:
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Transfred to the beginning of the page
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Some of these might be datamined(if admins have problems tell me and i remove them each one that is datamined), also mind that this is not request list, but a list to show what new models are there, so the icon makers (sadly i'm not one of them) to know what new races are out there--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:43, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
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:Tol'vir added, they're still not in-game, but they'll be soon :).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 17:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
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::List updated--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 15:01, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
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:::List reupdated--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:34, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Added icons for existing ones, and those that are marked with {{RaceIconExt|}} is used as a subsitute of the image to make it easier for when someone wants to add the image--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:27, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
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::::I've made a lot of icons, but I will not upload them till they've been seen in-game. Seems many of these are datamined, but I'm going to let it slide for now. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:29, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Well i said there would be datamined in here because i'm not in Beta, I've known for a fact that some of these are already in beta like bound elementals in ambermill and such, anyway i have two questions:
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:::-For the deep sea turtle did you use the Tortolla model? because that would be a slight problem.EDIT: you didn't use it seems the colouring is just very similar, my bad...
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:::-When i added waterlord to the list i was requesting a new icon based on the new ingame model, it seems that this is the old photoshopped picture so i'm going to remove it because this is a list for cataclysm models, if you don't mind, the new model is also not datamined.
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::::Thanks--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:31, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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::Added angel and twilight ascendant earth--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:48, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
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:Coobra can you tell me which models you have done, that you think are datamined, so i can scratch them from the list so nobody else does repeats?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
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::At this point, I'm not completely clear what has been officially seen or not, but it doesn't matter... don't think anyone else is making icons. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I know of some that have been seen that are not on the list trough--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 09:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Go ahead and add them. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:34, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::I trid to make the icons but they were horrible :S--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
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:Added types of elemental drake--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
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What is meant by Big Bomb? The bomb inside alliance gunships? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
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:The Bomb that is dropped in stonetalon mountains on the druid city, also the reason i added to teh cataclysm list is because we have the fire lord, air lord, and earth lord that are used only once for a character, so do we add water lord to this list or we remove all lords from this list and put in the other?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
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::Added two deephome drakes and the scorpion guild mount--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Added Mercury Unbound elemental(at least i think it's unbound it's grouped with unbound elementals)
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:::Added 4 from the newest beta patch--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:37, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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And so you're going to keep adding "races" that aren't actually races? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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The list is now easier to see which aren't complete
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== Non-races ==
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Removed vehicles and other things that, in fact, aren't races. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:45, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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:i'm going to undo it because this is a project page(this is only here to help edit and not exactly to direct people) and it's designed to put icons based on creature models, wherever they are not races or not that's a problem with the title and not with the content--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:44, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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:In fact the article has this written "The term "race" is used in a very broad sense." this page is a guide to the small icons not a list for someone to check for races--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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::They still aren't races. If it's going to be about ''creature'' icons, then it should renamed. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 23:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Talk to coobra he's the one that i ask when i have doubts about this page and he does most of the icons, so yeah check with him but for now i suggest to let it be so it does not create needless confusion--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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::::But if you're in a hurry i assume Creature would be more correct than Race, and i would prefer to creature so it's less confusing, just don't remove the icons, please--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:01, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
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==About the moving==
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I think "List of race icons" was better, just because:
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*Race, no matter being incorrect, is more used than creature to define diferent species
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*The two template for the icons are called RaceIcon and Race
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I think it was better like before. If I've missed any discussion around this, please link it to me, since I can't find it anywhere :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 09:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
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:It was because mechanical things wouldn't fit, and creatures fit everything, also those 2 don't matter it's not like you'll see them unless you edit...--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:55, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Wowpedia:List of race icons article.

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Requests

"I" icon Requests for new icons should be placed here.

When making a request, please bear in mind the usefulness of the icon, in other words will it be used? Generally NYI races/creatures should not be requested as making the icon does require some sort of image to work off of. Creatures of similar nature or different skin/fur colors should also not be requested, for example we don't need a icon for polar bears, black bears, and brown bears.

Addendum: Don't request Cataclysm icons, until game has gone live.

Humanoids

  • Forsaken Death Knights

Undead

Giants

Beasts

Dragonkin

  • Azure Dragon (NYI)
  • Azure dragonspawn
  • Azure dragonwhelp
  • Azure drakonid
  • Plagued dragon (NYI)
  • Plagued drake (NYI)
  • Chromatic dragon (NYI)

Elementals/Contructs

Demons

Mechanical/Animated objects

Other

Removal replies

Please do not respond here, start a new section at the bottom if removal is disputed.
Removed
Forsaken Death Knights, Troll Death Knights
Undead DKs, are truly no different than current forsaken members and Troll dks have an equivalent icon. 05:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Re-Added Forsaken Deathknight (they have blue eyes). Ashbear160 (talk · contr) 21:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Suppression turret, Ability mount rocketmount [X-51 Nether-Rocket X-TREME] / Jewelcrating Boar
Already exists → IconSmall CannonGoblin, IconSmall Rocket / No distinct look -- 04:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Mechanical Gorilla, Void Reaver, Horde Siege Tank
Already exists → IconSmall GorillaMechIconSmall FelReaverIconSmall Demolisher -- 23:41, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Inv misc pheonixpet 01 [Phoenix Hatchling] / Inv pet babyblizzardbear [Baby Blizzard Bear]
Can use IconSmall Phoenix. / It's a bear, use IconSmall Bear.
Removed
Onyxian whelpling and Onyxian Drake / Rusted Proto drake
Maybe if more than 1 occurrence existed, but as these are very special, IconSmall WhelpBlack IconSmall DrakeBlack / Already exists → IconSmall ProtoRusted -- 19:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Mur'ghoul and Mutant murloc - WC3 / Angel
Difference in look from normal murlocs does not exist. / Angels can use IconSmall SpiritHealer -- 19:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Female Dragonspawn (dragonspawn casters are female) / Storm giant( From Howling fjord in northrend)
Says who? That's like saying Quilboar casters are all female. / Already exists. → IconSmall StormGiant -- 02:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Ability hunter pet gorilla [Mechanical Yeti], Ability hunter pet gorilla [Mechanical Greench], and Inv misc monsterhead 03 [Lifelike Mechanical Toad].
They have no distinct look from the actual creatures they portray. -- 21:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
Removed
Felboar and Mage Slayer
Felboar can use IconSmall Helboar and Mage slayer can use IconSmall Darkhound. Otherwise, no distinct look. -- 22:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)


Completed requests

Cataclysm List

A list of new models from cataclysm:

    • Elemental
      • IconSmall DarkPhoenix Dark Phoenix
        • IconSmall Dark Phoenix Hatchling
      • IconSmall DwarfGolem Dwarven Golem
      • IconSmall Gyreworm RingWorm
      • IconSmall ShaleSpider Shale Spider
      • IconSmall Geode Geode
      • IconSmall Djinni Djinni
      • File:IconSmall CarnivorousPlant.gif Carnivorous plant
      • IconSmall Spitter Spitter
      • Bound Elemental
        • IconSmall BoundAir Air
        • IconSmall BoundEarth Earth
        • IconSmall BoundFire Fire
        • IconSmall BoundWater Water
      • IconSmall Sunflower
      • Unbound
        • IconSmall Air
        • IconSmall Earth
        • IconSmall Fire
        • IconSmall Water
        • IconSmall Mercury
      • Twilight Ascendant
        • IconSmall Fire
        • IconSmall Air
        • IconSmall Earth
        • IconSmall Water
    • Dragonkin
      • IconSmall DrakonidTwilight Twilight Drakonid
      • IconSmall SpawnTwilight Twilight dragonspawn
      • IconSmall Deepholme Drake
        • IconSmall Phosphorescent Drake
        • IconSmall Volcanic Drake
        • IconSmall Vitreous Drake
        • IconSmall Sandstone Drake
      • IconSmall Dragonman
      • IconSmall Skywall Dragon
        • IconSmall North Wind
        • IconSmall South Wind
        • IconSmall East Wind
        • IconSmall West Wind
    • Beast
      • IconSmall Remora Giant Remora
      • IconSmall Mastiff Mastiff
      • IconSmall Fox Mist fox
      • IconSmall Monkey Monkey
      • File:IconSmall Shark2.gif Cataclysm Shark
      • IconSmall SandCrab Deep sea Crabs
      • IconSmall SeaTurtle Deep sea Turtle
      • IconSmall Grouper Grouper
      • IconSmall Leviathan Leviathan
      • IconSmall Eel Monstrous Eel
      • IconSmall Puffer Puffer fish
      • IconSmall SeaSnake Sea Serpent
      • IconSmall Seahorse Sea horse
      • IconSmall Snail Snail
      • IconSmall Stingray Sting Ray
      • IconSmall Thresher Thresher shark
      • IconSmall WhaleShark Whale Shark
      • IconSmall BushChicken Bush Chicken
      • IconSmall Camel Camel
      • IconSmall Merciless ones
      • IconSmall Seagull
      • IconSmall Faceless one mount
      • IconSmall Exarch Ellek
      • IconSmall Lava Worm
      • IconSmall Raven
      • IconSmall Sunwalker Kodo
      • IconSmall Golden King
      • IconSmall Kron'khar annhiliator
      • IconSmall Armadillo
      • IconSmall Cataclysm Crocolisk
    • Humanoid
      • IconSmall StoneTrogg Stone Trogg
      • IconSmall DeepSeaMurloc Deepsea Murloc
      • IconSmall Gilgoblin Gilgoblin
      • IconSmall Hobgoblin Hobgoblin
      • IconSmall Pygmy Pygmy
      • Orc
        • IconSmall Dragonmaw MaleIconSmall Dragonmaw Female Dragonmaw orc
        • IconSmall DireOrc Green dire orc
      • IconSmall Aquatic Faceless one
      • IconSmall Aquatic Faceless one caster
      • IconSmall Cho'gall disciple
      • Tol'vir
        • IconSmall Flesh
        • IconSmall Maskless Stone
    • Mechanical
      • IconSmall StageCoach Gilnean stagecoach
      • IconSmall Balloon Goblin Air Ballon
      • IconSmall HotRod Goblin Hot Rod
      • IconSmall RiverBoat Goblin Riverboat
      • IconSmall RabbitMech Mechanical Rabbit
      • IconSmall Trike Trike
      • IconSmall Horde Caravan
      • IconSmall Uldum Watcher
      • IconSmall Big Bomb
      • IconSmall Submarine
    • Undead
      • IconSmall SkeletalRaptor Skeleton Raptor
      • IconSmall Fire Bone Wraith
      • IconSmall Undead Black Dragon
      • IconSmall Crawling hand
      • IconSmall Spectral Horse
      • IconSmall Spectral Wolf
      • IconSmall Undead Goblin
    • Giant
      • IconSmall Ettin Ettin
      • IconSmall Mercurial Giant
    • Uncategorized
      • IconSmall Angel
      • IconSmall Bubble
      • IconSmall Greater Slime
      • IconSmall New tentacle

Cataclysm Icons

When can we start asking for cataclysm icons? when it releases accordying to assumptions we already have a ettin model(it's a two headed giant with a roof as a shoulder--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:48, May 7, 2010 (UTC))

Don't request any icons until it's at least in beta. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 00:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Of course :P--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:53, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
I made a column just for cataclysm beta because these things might change a lot and some are upgrades to other icons--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
hmm...... SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 01:05, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
We already have the models of all of those(at least mmo champion shows them) adding a few more for the sake of completness--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:19, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
MMO champion show things you are not supposed to know exist, as hard as it can be, you must forget this website when editing wowwiki :)
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:08, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Female dragonspawn

Why was this removed?

If I'm not blind, dragonspawn casters have breasts. If that doesn't make you female enough, I don't know what does.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

There was a reason written, anyway ask coobra he's the one taking care of this area--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:58, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Aye, I have noticed the breasts... but I personally don't see the use in clarifying the different genders, when Blizzard themselves doesn't even state genders of the dragonspawn. And it's just a model, just seems weird that all casters are female and all brutes and higher ranks are males. Not to mention the racial icons won't show the breasts and will appear almost exactly the same as the current "male" one. But I'll make an example icon, upload, and then compare... soonish. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Well, they have a smaller face, and they have hoods, too. I think having them is nice, and the icons are going to be used sure. We did the same with the quilboars some time ago, and the result was nice.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Death knights of each race

I think we need icons for each race. Right now, we only have for humans and orcs (and they should be updated).

For the tauren one, we could recycle Trag Highmountain.

I would create them myself, but my WoWModelViewer doesn't work properly with textures.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:27, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I think it was because it was too much work, again ask coobra--Ashbear160 (talk) 11:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Personally after making the orc and then human versions, I wasn't happy with them, so I stopped. Now if someone else wants to pick up the reins on this, that's fine. But don't just upload anything, it should at least be presentable, clean, and easy to identify. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
I think we should avoid picture-icons, and use model shots. I think you'd have gotten a better result if you had taken screenshots instead of recoloring the existing icons :S.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I made improvements to the human and orc versions, tell me what you think. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 06:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I have to say, at first sight, I believe the orc were ghouls!
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 07:01, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Oh-my-god. They're simply AWESOME. You made them yourself, or you took screenshots? I love them, man, seriously. Great work, and looking forward the other races if you decide to make more.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:15, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Yes these are a vast improved over the old ones, i would love to see the other 16 icons, but that would be to much of a hassle--Ashbear160 (talk) 16:02, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Will it be useful anyway to have one of each?
IconSmall Hamuul Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Of course yes, we have NPCs and important characters in-game that are death knights from all the races. Using normal icons for them is, well, wrong. They're a different "race", anyway.--Lon-ami (talk) 16:24, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm happy you all liked them. =) I don't know about all races (I might do them all in the end), but I did notice on the list of DKs, that at least gnome, tauren, troll, and draenei would be nice to have. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Though we could just use IconSmall UndeadTroll MaleIconSmall UndeadTroll Female for the trolls... great power out, damn storm... SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I have no problem but i want to avoid repetition if those were used for regular undead trolls--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Tauren death knight icons

So, for those who didn't notice, Coobra updated these icons: IconSmall TaurenDeathKnight Male and IconSmall TaurenDeathKnight Female.

I think they are great, but I think they need a bit more "zoom". I think they would work better if the "photo" was taken from further. See IconSmall Trag.

Just my opinion ;).--Lon-ami (talk) 08:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps.. Beast-like humanoids can be a tad annoying to make icons for. Shoulders and such always tend to get in the way. I zoomed out a little... can't say I'm completely happy with the results.. I might start over on the tauren. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Blood elf DKs

I was thinking of moving IconSmall UndeadElf Female{{RaceIcon|<UndeadElf>|<Female>}} to {{RaceIcon|<DarkRanger>}} since it seems the only models to use that skin are dark rangers, then make a similar one for DKs... however, then I remembered Bloodrose Datura. She used the red eye version... So, question. Do you think we should just use this icon for the DKs or go ahead with what I was thinking? SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, getting reports her eyes are no longer red, but blue like the rest of the DKs... Can anyone confirm this? SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Eyes are blue now according to wowhead, in my opinion you should make a new one for blood elf and leave undead elf as it is--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Undead elf is just like human cultist, leave it as it is, and make new ones for death knights. After all, those icons are already used for darkfallen and dark rangers.--Lon-ami (talk) 10:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Forsaken Deathknights

Coobra i don't want to be mean but don't the forsaken deathknights have a paler skin and blue eyes than normal forsaken, like for example in this skin,[1] i'm okay with the troll death knights since it has blue eyes, but i'd prefer if you or anyone that wanted do it change the forsaken death knight, so i'm going to put it back on the list.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:42, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

If someone wants to, that's fine, but I'm not going to make a new icon for just eye color difference. To me it's pointless. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
Ok if i was able i would do it but alas i'm not--Ashbear160 (talk) 13:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Cataclysm List

A list of new models from cataclysm: Transfred to the beginning of the page

Some of these might be datamined(if admins have problems tell me and i remove them each one that is datamined), also mind that this is not request list, but a list to show what new models are there, so the icon makers (sadly i'm not one of them) to know what new races are out there--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:43, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Tol'vir added, they're still not in-game, but they'll be soon :).--Lon-ami (talk) 17:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
List updated--Ashbear160 (talk) 15:01, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
List reupdated--Ashbear160 (talk) 14:34, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
Added icons for existing ones, and those that are marked with IconSmall is used as a subsitute of the image to make it easier for when someone wants to add the image--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:27, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
I've made a lot of icons, but I will not upload them till they've been seen in-game. Seems many of these are datamined, but I'm going to let it slide for now. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:29, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Well i said there would be datamined in here because i'm not in Beta, I've known for a fact that some of these are already in beta like bound elementals in ambermill and such, anyway i have two questions:
-For the deep sea turtle did you use the Tortolla model? because that would be a slight problem.EDIT: you didn't use it seems the colouring is just very similar, my bad...
-When i added waterlord to the list i was requesting a new icon based on the new ingame model, it seems that this is the old photoshopped picture so i'm going to remove it because this is a list for cataclysm models, if you don't mind, the new model is also not datamined.
Thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 12:31, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Added angel and twilight ascendant earth--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:48, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Coobra can you tell me which models you have done, that you think are datamined, so i can scratch them from the list so nobody else does repeats?--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
At this point, I'm not completely clear what has been officially seen or not, but it doesn't matter... don't think anyone else is making icons. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
I know of some that have been seen that are not on the list trough--Ashbear160 (talk) 09:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
Go ahead and add them. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 22:34, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
I trid to make the icons but they were horrible :S--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
Added types of elemental drake--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

What is meant by Big Bomb? The bomb inside alliance gunships? SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Bomb that is dropped in stonetalon mountains on the druid city, also the reason i added to teh cataclysm list is because we have the fire lord, air lord, and earth lord that are used only once for a character, so do we add water lord to this list or we remove all lords from this list and put in the other?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Added two deephome drakes and the scorpion guild mount--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Added Mercury Unbound elemental(at least i think it's unbound it's grouped with unbound elementals)
Added 4 from the newest beta patch--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:37, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

And so you're going to keep adding "races" that aren't actually races? --g0urra[T҂C] 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

The list is now easier to see which aren't complete

Non-races

Removed vehicles and other things that, in fact, aren't races. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:45, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

i'm going to undo it because this is a project page(this is only here to help edit and not exactly to direct people) and it's designed to put icons based on creature models, wherever they are not races or not that's a problem with the title and not with the content--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:44, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
In fact the article has this written "The term "race" is used in a very broad sense." this page is a guide to the small icons not a list for someone to check for races--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
They still aren't races. If it's going to be about creature icons, then it should renamed. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Talk to coobra he's the one that i ask when i have doubts about this page and he does most of the icons, so yeah check with him but for now i suggest to let it be so it does not create needless confusion--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
But if you're in a hurry i assume Creature would be more correct than Race, and i would prefer to creature so it's less confusing, just don't remove the icons, please--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:01, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

About the moving

I think "List of race icons" was better, just because:

  • Race, no matter being incorrect, is more used than creature to define diferent species
  • The two template for the icons are called RaceIcon and Race

I think it was better like before. If I've missed any discussion around this, please link it to me, since I can't find it anywhere :S.--Lon-ami (talk) 09:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

It was because mechanical things wouldn't fit, and creatures fit everything, also those 2 don't matter it's not like you'll see them unless you edit...--Ashbear160 (talk) 10:55, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
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