Talk: Gods and demigods

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This item is fished from the fountain in Dalaran.

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Ansirem Runeweaver was the former leader of Dalaran. He can be found in its former location in the Alterac Mountains. His daughter Catelyn the Blade is currently a member of the Blackwater Raiders and can be found in Booty Bay. The coin was dropped into the fountain some time before Catelyn left Dalaran to become a pirate.

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-Sorry if i'm undoing what you did but i'm using the [[Demigod]] as a basis for what is a demigod or not if something there is proven to not be a demigod, feel free to remove both entries--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:Yeah, I know. But I keep looking at that page, and it's in serious need of some cleanup, including citations. For now, rather than just going directly off that page, let's stick to individuals that are explicitly confirmed to be gods or demigods. If you're not sure, don't add them. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-::Titans are demigods that im absolutely sure
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-::"Alliance Player's Guide says that they are akin to gods. Shadows & Light states that they are demigods.[11]"
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-::That is unless 2 references are wrong--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:::"Akin to gods" doesn't mean demigod. Remember, we're not using the dictionary definition of demigod, we're using the Warcraft definition of demigod, which means that unless something is specifically said to be a demigod, it's probably not. With respect to Shadows & Light, I'd love to see the exact wording on that. Blizzard has stated several times, in no uncertain terms, that the Titans are not gods. It seems very strange then that they would even be demigods. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-::::I can ask in scrolls of lore, here http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?p=258178#post258178--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:-Shadow ascendant are considered loas but are nots deities, i assume not in this template
-:-Loa might be to huge so we could divide it into the respective pantheon but might become too long
-:-Not a problem But the Four Drakkari Gods are Never stated to be loas and act in a total different way, but where do i put them?(i suspect that one of them is elune but that's beside the point)
-Can you give me a answer?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:-Another Point Ula-tek is never called a loa, and she more pointed towards being a old god  than a loa.
---[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::1. Shadow Ascendants are sometimes worshiped as loa by trolls, but they are not loa.
-::2. Let's see HOW huge it is. I'm pretty sure there's fewer than you think.
-::3. They're loa. Elune is not a loa. She is a god.
-::4. The "Old God" bit for Ula-Tek is speculation. Remember, the RPG also "speculated" that Teron Gorefiend was in Karazhan. For now, put her with the loa.
-::-- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 02:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:3.They are never called loa, although they didn't have problems with calling everybody else a Loa, they are ALWAYS mentioned as Gods(speculation with elune is derived from her being exactly described like elune)
+This item is fished from the fountain in [[Dalaran]].
-:4.It's just that calling her a Loa is avoided, and she's specificily speculated to be either a old god or old god related, if she was a loa they would at least have stated that she could also be a loa but she isn't--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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+== Context ==
+{{npc||Ansirem Runeweaver}} was the former leader of Dalaran. He can be found in its [[Dalaran Crater|former location]] in the [[Alterac Mountains]]. His daughter {{npc||Catelyn the Blade}} is currently a member of the [[Blackwater Raiders]] and can be found in [[Booty Bay]]. The coin was dropped into the fountain some time before Catelyn left Dalaran to become a pirate.
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-:Ok, i'm done, feel free to change anything you might seem fit, i renamed the last one because not all of them were demigods and were gods instead--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-::"Few scholars actually believe the mighty demigods even existed."--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
+Repeat violations may result in a BAN.
+Have a nice day. :) -->
-:I renamed the last category to Other because i don't need to restate the name of the article that's just dumb, and moved Ula-Tek to other, she speculated by "word of god" to be a old god but never confirmed as such, she speculated by players to be a Loa but never called that, so when in doubt put in other.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 02:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-Also, one more thing. Stop putting the Earthmother in here unless you can provide a clear citation that she is, in fact, a deity. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:Earthmother is not the deity in this case she's more of the group of deities that make the earthmother belief according to the tauren, Mu'sha/Elune is one of her eyes, Anshe the sun god is another, remains to be seen what the blue child is to her, I however do not know how to list the Sky Father--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 03:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::An'she and Mu'sha are not deities. The tauren see Elune as a representation of Mu'sha; that does not mean that Elune *IS* Mu'sha. Anyway, I've reorganized the template. Please don't undo this; there is a reason why I organized it this way, specifically to split up gods and demigods which shouldn't just be lumped together under "other." The differences between gods and demigods in the Warcraft universe are very important and the distinction should be maintained.
-::I've also removed a lot of names from the template, primarily those that were described as spirits or simply being worshiped as a god without actually being one. If you want to add any other names to the template, please discuss them here first. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I don't think the differences are very important but it doesn't matter
-::I think Issliruk, Karkut and Tayutka are either loas or ancient guardians but it's never claimed so meh.
-::Elune and Mu'sha are indeed claimed to be one and the same in the Aponi/Tahu Conversation
-::There's the thing that the Earthmother, the Deep Mother and the Sky Father still need to be addressed
-::And we could probably a small section called either Ascended mortal or Deified Mortals--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 03:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::The Earthmother, Deep Mother, and Sky Father would be addressed in the Religion template, as that's what they are. They're not gods. As for ascended and deified mortals, the point of the templates is not to give every single bit of information, but to provide easy navigation between them. That kind of specific information can be found on the [[demigods]] page, and that's good enough. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Err Xavious and Azshara are Ancients apparently and all ancients are demigods...--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::And i think the dark ancients are important to add--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::http://www.wowpedia.org/Staff_of_Sorcerer-Thane_Thaurissan Ragnaros is a demigod so i's not a long shot to consider other elemental lords a demigod--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-Xavius and Azshara are '''eternals''', not ancients. Just because Ragnaros is considered a demigod by at least Thaurissan, doesn't mean that the other elemental lords are demigods. And what's these "dark ancients" that you speak of? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 14:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::That's practically nonsensical since they are the same type of being
-::Xavious and azshara are in the ancient guardian pages
-::Dark ancients are Lycanthoth and Nemesis, they are stated to be dark versions of the demigods and called false gods(because they are impersonating other gods)--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:[[Arkkoroc]] is said to be a "smaller deity" and only assumed to be a "sea giant god". I say we should remove him.
-:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-::But he's called a deity and that's the point, Altrough there should be a distinction between lesser deities and major deities also going to add Hetaera, since she's stated as a god even if a false one--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 16:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::I agree with Ashbear on the point of Arkkoroc. With regards to Hetaera, by definition a false god is not a god. That's what false means. The Dark Ancients are also not actual Ancients, and thus are not demigods. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)